HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card expires

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by bpye on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:25AM (#34690164)

Conceptually I have less of an issue with it for cars. I think encouraging car-sharing, at least in urban environments, would be a good thing. Most cars spend the vast majority of the day either parked at home, or at work.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by ddalex on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:28AM (#34690191)

But I keep my last week's garbage in the car, why would I want to share somebody else's garbage ?

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by dev_hugepages on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @06:27AM (#34691351)

Taking a quick peek (at least where I live), There's not much garbage in ppl's cars

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by Khelavaster on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:18AM (#34690136)

Like...a lease?

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by prox on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:33AM (#34690226)

Nope, more like “pay this to unlock the features x,y and z”

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by jeroenhd on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:58AM (#34690383)

This is already being done by moet major brands these days. They can only withhold luxury features like heated seating for now, but who knows when they take away basic features such as radio, replace it with a Spotify app, and demand a special subscription to listen tk music in your car.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by mister_tee on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:17AM (#34690905)

I was trying to look up a Tesla special case (where upgrading the infotainment unit removes the radio unless an additional $500 upgrade is purchased) and learned that several EV manufacturers have already removed AM radio because electric motors interfere with that frequency range.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/10/business/media/am-radio-c...

"Carmakers noted that drivers can still stream AM radio on apps and not all electric vehicles have dropped it."

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by yencabulator on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:37PM (#34702242)

Removing hardware features is fine by me. Selling hardware features that can't be used, and rent-seeking with them, is user-hostile.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by acomjean on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:52AM (#34691150)

Want to drive without this awful music? 10$

I see ransomware coming to cars.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by NikkiA on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @09:41AM (#34693349)

Why awful music when it could be ads?

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by lp0_on_fire on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @12:43PM (#34696042)

"Please pull over and watch this message from our sponsors to continue your journey"

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by grishka on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:04AM (#34690422)

People would 100% be jailbreaking this stuff.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by urbandw311er on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:22AM (#34690532)

Or just physically cutting open the seat and bypassing the switch

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by prox on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:27AM (#34690568)

Unless it has an AI, “you have violated the integrity of this vehicle, starting protocols have been disabled. Please contact your local representative.”

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by yootyootr on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:15AM (#34690895)

"drink a verification can to continue"

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by goodpoint on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:00AM (#34691604)

A microcontroller is probably enough, no need to throw in the big AI word.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by Idiot_in_Vain on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:56AM (#34690771)

Very few people. What percentage of iPhone users have their phones jailbroken? 0.0001%

Almost no one will do it - it's a lot of work, loss of warranty, loss of small conveniences.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by withinboredom on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:57AM (#34691186)

I used to always jailbreak my iphone (mostly because I was one of the first owners and had been doing that since it was possible). The last time I did it, the apps were just too sketchy and wanted too much permissions. I didn't really see the value in it. Maybe things are better these days, but I haven't checked in the last 6-7 years.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by rationalist on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @08:45AM (#34692619)

> loss of warranty

In the U.S., this is not true. If Apple claims so, they are violating the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by MichaelZuo on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @09:24AM (#34693123)

Can you refer to the specific section that prevents it?

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by rationalist on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:56PM (#34701083)

I'm not an expert at legalese or have access to LexisNexis, but after a quick Google search, I think this is it:

> a warrantor cannot, as a matter of law, avoid liability under a written warranty where a defect is unrelated to the use by a consumer of “unauthorized” articles or service.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title16-vol1/xm...

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by yootyootr on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:15AM (#34690887)

your warranty is now void

your resale value is now zero

your service options have been limited to third party workshops only

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by rationalist on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @08:46AM (#34692632)

> loss of warranty

In the U.S., this is not true. If the manufacturer claims so, they are violating the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by yootyootr on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:26AM (#34694798)

You're telling me that I can go to the U.S. and purchase a car, perform unauthorised modifications to its systems and the manufacturer still has to honour the warranty? That sounds excellent!

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by rationalist on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @01:49PM (#34697197)

As long as what you do doesn't cause the damage that you want them to repair under the warranty. They still have to honor the warranty for the unaffected systems.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by goodpoint on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @06:59AM (#34691598)

...and after a car accident you get all the blame and other legal consequences for having tampered with your car.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by mardifoufs on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @08:45AM (#34692614)

There is oddly little ECU/BSI/onboard computer hacking (beyond flashing a tune, mostly to change engine specific settings). Or maybe there is, but I never managed to find an active community that goes beyond ecu tunes. I guess it's due to how fragmented the hardware is (even if most auto manufacturers usually source the components and systems from the same vendors).

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by justaman on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @09:05AM (#34692860)

Cars are too expensive to void the warranty. But I agree in spirit.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by SanjayMehta on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:59AM (#34690785)

It's already here. BMW tried to charge a subscription for CarPlay.

There is at least one Indian manufacturer pushing subscriptions on some features on their high end models.

Thin end of the wedge.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by robin_reala on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:00AM (#34690787)

BMW starts selling heated seat subscriptions for $18 a month

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscription...

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by amelius on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @05:36AM (#34691042)

Our products are turning into vending machines, with the iPhone as the best example.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by ChuckNorris89 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @08:39AM (#34692548)

I wonder how much their subscription for the blinkers costs.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by theandrewbailey on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:09AM (#34694552)

Probably a lot, judging by the cost of BMW blinker fluid.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by justaman on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @09:03AM (#34692845)

Toyota sells access to their remote start.

This should be illegal.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by mbreese on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @10:45AM (#34694252)

So does Acura/Honda. Used to be on the key fob, but now it’s through a phone app with a subscription. I thought it was ridiculous until I learned how it worked. Instead of being RF based, it works using Sirius XM satellite data pushes.

I’m not sure how to feel about it now. I think the satellite version is more secure, but does have a different cost structure.

(I only found this out when our account wouldn’t work for months. Then a few months ago there was a security issue with that system that reset our account.)

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by Firmwarrior on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:04AM (#34694470)

Secure, eh?

https://mobile.twitter.com/samwcyo/status/159779209717567488...

Tl;dr: They didn't actually bother to put security into the app

> We could execute commands on vehicles and fetch user information from the accounts by only knowing the victim's VIN number, something that was on the windshield.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:36AM (#34691919)

The upper middle class will cheer is because they can afford it and they would rather see the poors on the bus than in a used car. Maybe the ones with a little bit more self awareness than average will feel dirty about it.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by mrtranscendence on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:44AM (#34695070)

As someone who is upper middle class, I dispute this. It doesn't matter how much I make, I feel like I'm drowning in monthly subscription fees already. Nobody wants to pay a recurring fee for what should be a one-time payment.

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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by onewheeltom on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @06:36AM (#34706797)

Owning an ink jet printer is never a one time payment. If you are drowning in subscriptions, printing should be the least of your worries.

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