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Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by danielodievich on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @09:54PM (#34436185)
My crappy 10 year old Civic got stolen from in front of my apartment on the day of my wedding reception. My wife freaked out but I wasn't phased too much - she still praises me for it - and called the police for the report, and a friend for a ride. We had a great party that day and a fun topic to discuss at it. Anyhow, the car was found few days later in a really bad part of town, but police didn't call us that quick like they did this lucky recipient of vinyl, so it was re-stolen from the place it was dropped off.

About 40 days later after my insurance written it off and the police called and said come pick it up from a junkyard. It had someone else's license places, and was severely damaged after a full-front hit on the telephone pole after apparently a high-speed police chase. Who runs away from the police in a Honda Civic?! Anyhow, even though it was hit hard in front, the airbag never engaged, so I guess I am glad it wasn't me. There was blood inside everywhere, clearly the two people who were inside were quite hurt. Anyhow, I opened the trunk to get my jumper cables and lo and behold - tools! in pretty good toolbags, too! Decent looking respirators! Strange chemicals! Lots of ammonia in large jugs! A wallet with lots of stolen checks in it. A small bag with some dude's underwear. But my old set of jumper cables is, alas, gone...

I brought everything home, including (perhaps stupidly? certainly my wife thought so) ammonia and powdered chemicals. As I discovered the powder stuff lye and clearly this was all meth-making equipment. The undies had to go, but I kept some of the tools and respirators. I freecycled ammonia. We made some soap out of lye, so that was helpful.

The people who stole it were put in jail for various offences for a couple of years, including stealing my car. The court asked me if I had any claims and I said naah, I don't want to add to someone's bad life choices... Then , except for the $500 insurance deductible, which they deducted from his jail wages for next 3 years, and kept sending me small checks for like $19.28 or $8.78 every few months. The checks followed me to another house even though I completely forgot to update the address with the court (nice) and stopped right at $500.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by chairmanwow1 on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @10:30PM (#34436384)
This is an absolutely wild story
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by brazzledazzle on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:19PM (#34436658)
I’m shocked the police didn’t search the car. They always seem very eager to tear everything apart to pop someone with additional charges. Maybe because they weren’t alive on account of the blood loss...
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by simondotau on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:43PM (#34436774)
If the lye and ammonia aren’t illegal to possess, they probably can’t take it, and wouldn’t want to even if they could. (Of course I’m sure they noted it as circumstantial evidence in their case against the perpetrators.)
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by andrewflnr on Thursday January 19, 2023 @01:17AM (#34437286)
Cash is legal to possess, but that doesn't always stop the cops.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by simondotau on Thursday January 19, 2023 @04:56AM (#34438528)
Right, but then it fails the second prong of my criteria.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by Cthulhu_ on Thursday January 19, 2023 @03:40AM (#34438084)
You'd think - same with the vinyl records for that matter - that it would be seized as evidence. I mean that underwear could be from a murder victim or somesuch.

But that's speaking in idealisms, in practice they probably didn't give a shit and moved on to other things. Just another car crash / drug case.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by blincoln on Thursday January 19, 2023 @09:31AM (#34440639)
I think it depends on the location.

My car was stolen about 15 years ago in Seattle. The block I lived on at the time was a popular place for car thieves to both pick up and drop off cars.[1] When it was recovered, there were a bunch of stolen credit/debit cards and other potential evidence inside.

The officer who took the report said I could try calling the detectives who were responsible for that kind of investigation, but he didn't think it would go anywhere, because either the mayor or the chief of police (I don't remember which) had told them to deprioritize car thefts. Sure enough, calls to that line went straight to voicemail, and I couldn't even get a call back telling me they weren't interested.

[1] The day I discovered my car was stolen, there was a silver Civic parked across from it in the spot where a neighbour usually parked her silver Civic. That day, it was not hers. It was a nearly-identical silver Civic that the car thieves had ditched before stealing my car.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by mulmen on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:22PM (#34436664)
Isn’t it likely the tools are also stolen? Did the police even check the trunk?
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by simondotau on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:44PM (#34436778)
I’m sure that if the toolbag had identification in/on it, the OP would have returned them.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by coldtea on Thursday January 19, 2023 @12:09AM (#34436914)
It's not like they would care, unless there was some very easy way to tell the owner, like a receipt or something.

They ain't gonna store them, or search for the owner... heck, they have tons 100 times more serious cases on hold...

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by mulmen on Thursday January 19, 2023 @04:06AM (#34438230)
As an owner of tools and a former tradesman I can tell you exactly what was stolen out of my tool kit. I would file a report and the police should be able to match that with recovered property.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by coldtea on Thursday January 19, 2023 @04:37AM (#34438414)
They could, but it's the "caring"/"being on any spot on their priority list" part that's missing
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by leke on Thursday January 19, 2023 @12:40AM (#34437091)
My god, you're like the chillest person. I wish I could let go of things as easily as you.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by 2arrs2ells on Thursday January 19, 2023 @01:04AM (#34437211)
The best part is you can. Not saying it’s easy (and certainly far easier for some people than others), but how you react to events is one of the very few things that’s actually under your control.

Some of the most useful self-work I’ve done, for sure.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by stdclass on Thursday January 19, 2023 @01:50AM (#34437429)
Stoicism in a nutshell
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by TaylorAlexander on Thursday January 19, 2023 @02:09AM (#34437540)
Something really useful that I learned was just to delay my responses to surprises. I did this to stop getting angry at things that I misunderstood, by giving myself more time to think about what was being said, but I found it is useful for all sorts of things.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by scns on Thursday January 19, 2023 @02:36AM (#34437696)
Meditation helps with this. Practicing to notice feelings, accept them and giving them space lets you stay calm and do the same outside of meditation.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by lawlorino on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:50AM (#34439340)
Could you expand a bit on what the self-work entailed?
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by 2arrs2ells on Saturday January 21, 2023 @09:16AM (#34466557)
All sorts of things. Therapy. Psilocibin. A girlfriend (now wife) with a wildly different worldview than my own. Retreats. Meditation. ‘Conscious community”. Workshops. Yoga.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by HWR_14 on Thursday January 19, 2023 @02:12AM (#34437555)
It's unclear how chill they were at the time. You seemed to read something as very chill. It's a lot easier to be chill once the financial impact is blunted by insurance, restitution and tools. And it also helps that time has passed, so now it's a funny story.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by hluska on Thursday January 19, 2023 @02:26AM (#34437639)
OP’s wife praises them for their attitude. That’s a very strong indicator.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by HWR_14 on Thursday January 19, 2023 @11:26AM (#34442064)
OP's wife praised them for taking care of the issue with a level head. That's very different from being chill. Not anti-chill, but a different dimension. In fact, it's probably a better trait!
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by hluska on Thursday January 19, 2023 @07:27PM (#34447599)
Are you really being pedantic with slang?
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by HWR_14 on Thursday January 19, 2023 @08:45PM (#34448188)
It's possible you are using the word "chill" in a way that is unrecognizable to me. And, from context, how other people responding to you interpreted your usage. I don't think so, but then again I may have have no idea what you meant.

Anyway, if you want to explain what you meant, great.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by hluska on Friday January 20, 2023 @09:48AM (#34453847)
You cannot stop being pedantic, can you? Chill is slang and has no set meaning.

You have disagreed with absolutely everyone for no reason!

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by Cthulhu_ on Thursday January 19, 2023 @03:38AM (#34438076)
I mean it happened and getting upset over it at that point won't bring it back or improve the situation, will it? It's about being able to relativise things.

Of course, everyone's different like that, I'm the stoic (or emotionally repressed and stunted) one in the house.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by AllegedAlec on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:58AM (#34439397)
I've been trying to get less angry, and I found that reading Meditations helps me a lot. It's all about reframing.

> “If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.”

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by myself248 on Thursday January 19, 2023 @11:47AM (#34442414)
I always thought I'd blow a gasket if my car was ever broken into. What a violation of personal space! And all my stuff!

Then it happened. They got my TomTom and my digital camera, plus _the entire backseat and hatchback full of old computers and printers that I was taking to e-waste the next day_.

The moment I pictured the thieves walking into a pawnshop with that stuff, and getting laughed right back out, I couldn't be mad anymore. I was still annoyed that I had to go get the window fixed and buy a new TomTom on eBay for $35, but the actual results of the theft just sent me into giggles every time. Still do.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by sbierwagen on Thursday January 19, 2023 @01:33AM (#34437349)
>so it was re-stolen from the place it was dropped off.

Note for others: if you're in a jurisdiction that has decriminalized car theft, and you find your stolen car, just get in it, drive home, and tell the police you recovered your own vehicle.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by emsixteen on Thursday January 19, 2023 @02:23AM (#34437613)
> a jurisdiction that has decriminalized car theft

Is this a thing?

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by zdragnar on Thursday January 19, 2023 @03:06AM (#34437878)
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/stolen-van-filled-...

comes to mind, though I seem to recall similar other stories. Between the reactionary changes due to the public perception in the past few years, the defund movement undermining morale and other sundry causes, several major city departments are very understaffed and property crime investigation gets deprioritized pretty quickly.

Edit: removed the editorializing paragraph prior to the article. It was largely redundant.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by throwifasd on Thursday January 19, 2023 @07:13AM (#34439496)
More redundant than your highly editorialized comment?
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by _dain_ on Thursday January 19, 2023 @08:08AM (#34439884)
I have strong beliefs, you have an opinion, he is editorializing.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by zdragnar on Thursday January 19, 2023 @09:51AM (#34440885)
Everything I listed are publicly given reasons that police departments have heard for the wave of early retirements and transfers out of troubled districts, and police have always prioritized response times based on capacity.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by coldpie on Thursday January 19, 2023 @10:30AM (#34441337)
> the defund movement undermining morale

The defund movement didn't spring from nowhere, it is a reaction to terrible policework. The police created the defund movement. Fix the police and it will go away.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by zdragnar on Thursday January 19, 2023 @01:05PM (#34443437)
This misses the point. Police departments are having a hard time recruiting; this is one of the reasons people don't want to work in these departments.

They certainly need fixing, but I'm also not convinced that doing so will make the defund movement go away. Voices within what we are calling the "defund movement" range from "change how funds are allocated" to "abolish policing entirely".

Ilhan Omar, as an example, said “The Minneapolis Police Department is rotten to the root, and so when we dismantle it, we get rid of that cancer, and we allow for something beautiful to rise, and that reimagining allows us to figure out what public safety looks like for us.”

It isn't exactly a call for abolition, but it is saying get rid of them and we'll figure it out later. Her voice wasn't alone; the Minneapolis city council voted 12-0 to completely defund the department and replace the police with "peace officers" who presumably would have had different obligations in terms of interacting with people.

That ended up never going anywhere; a spike in violent and property crime led the necessary city charter amendment to fail (Minneapolis city charter currently mandates a minimum staffing level of police, which it hasn't been able to meet since 2020).

The political motivations behind this far end of the "defund" movement argue that policing simply cannot be successfully reformed - that there is no "fixing" the police.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by coldpie on Thursday January 19, 2023 @02:04PM (#34444175)
>Police departments are having a hard time recruiting; this is one of the reasons people don't want to work in these departments.

Yeah, but your original statement is kind of a lie-by-omission. You're saying they're not able to hire because a bunch of people mistrust the police, as if the blame lays with those people for being mistrustful. But you're leaving out that they mistrust the police because of the police's own actions to earn that mistrust, repeated over decades.

> the Minneapolis city council voted 12-0 to completely defund the department and replace the police with "peace officers" who presumably would have had different obligations in terms of interacting with people

I live here and you're way wrong. Lisa Goodman would never have voted to "completely defund the police." In fact there was never a vote to "completely defund and replace [MPD]". As you said, they couldn't do that without changing the city charter. There was a long and bitter fight over that charter amendment, with the conservative wing of the council and the conservative mayor fighting and continuing to fight tooth & nail to shield MPD from all reform attempts. I can't think of any meaningful votes on this topic that went 12-0. I wonder what vote you are actually thinking of.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by zdragnar on Thursday January 19, 2023 @04:26PM (#34445832)
> In fact there was never a vote to "completely defund and replace [MPD]

Where have you been? There was even a referendum on the matter proposed by the council as a direct result of their earlier vote that failed at the ballot on the issue, after the first version couldn't even get past the charter committee. I've seen a few different vote numbers- I think Lisa either didn't show for the vote, or it did end up at 12-1. She was pretty much alone in opposing the matter though; the vote to send the amendment to the charter was only 11-2 because someone wanted to be a little more moderate.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/12/minneapoli...

> https://minnesotareformer.com/briefs/minneapolis-city-counci...

As a side note, calling Mayor Frey a conservative is hilarious in the US. He is a Democrat and about as conservative as President Obama is. Frey didn't go along with defunding the police because the people who wanted the police defunded make up a minority and there was an election to win. "Having a funded police department" is something that clearly crossed political boundaries in terms of support.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by coldpie on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:29PM (#34446579)
Okay, here's what you're talking about:

https://lims.minneapolismn.gov/Download/File/3806/Transformi...

I found that link here: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/12/us/minneapolis-city-council-r...

The actual relevant bit is, "[Be it resolved that] the City Council [of Minneapolis] will commence a year long process of community engagement, research, and structural change to create a transformative new model for cultivating safety in our city." There is nothing in there about funding levels or even the structure or presence of the department. I don't think you can characterize that as a resolution "to completely defund and replace the police department."

> As a side note, calling Mayor Frey a conservative is hilarious in the US

Everything is relative. Within the politics of the city of Minneapolis, Frey's positions are pretty far on the conservative end of the spectrum, which is still to the left of national politics, yes. He opposes police reform, he vetoed full-time bus lanes over the recommendation of the designers, he opposes rent control, big business owners fund his campaigns, his biggest wins are in the richest areas of the city. He wins thanks to Republican voters, who don't otherwise have a feasible candidate to vote for here.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by zdragnar on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:42PM (#34447251)
By the time this was voted on, 9 or so of the council members had already stood on a stage at a protest and promised to defund the police.

There was no one in the city who had any delusion that the "research" would produce anything but the amendment to the city charter. The only real surprise was that they had done such a terrible job at writing the amendment - it was very vague and hand-wavy.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by coldpie on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:57PM (#34447381)
OK. And so nothing has changed. We still have the exact same public safety system we did before May, 2020. MPD still employs many Derek Chauvins. I will cheer when MPD can't meet its staffing goals because that means fewer Derek Chauvins in my city. And I will continue to vote for local politicians who will try to reduce the harm MPD can inflict on my city by reducing MPD's budget and influence. It would be great if we could have something better. I will keep striving for that, against the conservatives who want to keep Derek Chauvin on my streets.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by antifa on Thursday January 19, 2023 @02:18PM (#34444362)
Also interesting to note is that (AFAIK) approximately zero "defundings" have actually happened. In fact many have increased, spearheaded by President Biden himself.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by zdragnar on Thursday January 19, 2023 @08:22PM (#34448016)
If most of those failed attempts were like the one in Minneapolis, it was because most people didn't want the city defunding the police after the upswing in crime.

The point remains- city councils and noisy activists constantly rallying for police to be defunded was and remains a factor in the increase in early retirements, transfers out, and difficulty recruiting new hires.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by climb_stealth on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:03AM (#34439024)
Would you mind elaborating? Why would it not be okay to drive your own car once you find it? Sure you might get stopped by police, but should be able to explain and prove the ownership.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by sbierwagen on Thursday January 19, 2023 @04:47PM (#34446098)
Why ask me? GP is the one who found the car but had it re-stolen, ask them why they didn't recover it.

There was also a recent HN submission where a blog post author used a GPS tracker to find their car but relied on the police instead of recovering it themselves, with predictable results. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30442044

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by TylerE on Thursday January 19, 2023 @03:12AM (#34437904)
Airbags aren’t supposed to go off in every crash. They’re primarily intended to provide some protection for unbelted passengers. Thus the original name SRS - “supplemental restraint system”.

In you are belted… most crashes you’d prefer it not go off, subjected you to any or all of: Powder burns, hearing damage, major dental destruction.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by Cthulhu_ on Thursday January 19, 2023 @03:37AM (#34438066)
Your head can still hit the dash if you have a seatbelt. It holds your body, not your head. And then there's things like side airbags, etc.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by ljf on Thursday January 19, 2023 @04:49AM (#34438485)
Supplementary is in that it supplements your main restraint - the seat belt.

They should always go off if the front of the car is damaged as the description here.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by climb_stealth on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:07AM (#34439044)
I think you may have gotten that wrong. Airbags are worse if the seatbelt is not worn. The timing for it firing takes into account that a seatbelt restrains the forward movement of the person. No seatbelt means moving forward quicker which means getting the full brunt of the airbag. Best case whiplash, otherwise a broken neck or similar.

At least that is what I have learned and which sounds reasonable.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by bdsa on Thursday January 19, 2023 @06:41AM (#34439262)
I don't think your point and their point are mutually exclusive:

- no seatbelt, you want the airbag to catch you (better than no airbag)

- with a seatbelt, ideally the airbag doesn't (need to?) go off, but if it is necessary you'll be glad of it

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by iggldiggl on Thursday January 19, 2023 @08:24AM (#34439991)
I dimly seem to remember that there might be differing strategies in place in some parts of the world (maybe something like US vs. Europe?): In some places seatbelts aren't assumed in determining the airbag timings, whereas elsewhere the timing and triggering level are optimised based on the assumption that seatbelts are being used.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by mcv on Thursday January 19, 2023 @09:06AM (#34440376)
If there's blood, I think it's fair to say they should have gone off. I'd have those airbags checked and possibly replaced.

> They’re primarily intended to provide some protection for unbelted passengers

I don't think they're meant for unbelted passengers; they should be belted first. I once saw a program about the difference between regular airbags and airbags designed to be used without a seatbelt, and the latter were enormous monstrosities that could knock you out. They were determined to be a bad idea. (I wish I knew where I saw this, but it was decades ago and I don't.)

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by culebron21 on Thursday January 19, 2023 @03:47AM (#34438122)
Honda Civic used to be a no-compromises racing car for consumers in the early 90s. Hard suspension, hard seats. Maybe it had changed since.
Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by InCityDreams on Thursday January 19, 2023 @08:40AM (#34440107)
>Then , except for the $500 insurance deductible, which they deducted from his jail wages for next 3 years,

No phone-calls for you. * you're a chill person, i think you did everything perfectly, but gosh! how they must have suffered. Fuck 'em. Well done.

Re:Someone stole my car and now I own hundreds of vinyl records by dTal on Thursday January 19, 2023 @12:15PM (#34442817)
So it didn't have your plates on the outside, or your belongings on the inside. Are you absolutely sure it was your Civic? :p