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Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by alx__ on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:40PM (#34111417)
This yearly upgrade cycle is terrible. Their phones are fantastic, and now they're stuck in some sort of spiral to push things every year. They could stand to chill out

I got the new 14 Pro, but only because I wanted the mag charger feature. Before that, the 11 Pro was still a solid phone and did everything I wanted and more. Won't be upgrading at least 3 years

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by grishka on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:45PM (#34111460)
Even stupider is their OS yearly release cycle. Apple OSes are feature-complete. They have been for quite some time. They do need iterative updates to add new APIs for new hardware, but that's really it.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by ladberg on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:50PM (#34111503)
I like to stay on older OSes because I agree they're feature complete and I don't want to lose battery life to the newest ML hotness I probably won't use and won't run efficiently on my old phone.

I've praised Apple for allowing me to do this by continuing to put out security updates for older phones, but the most recent set of pretty important security updates (15.7.2) have artificially been restricted to only devices that don't support 16. This is incredibly frustrating because all the work has been put into making my older device secure without having to update to the latest OS, Apple won't let me have the update and I have to go to 16 instead.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by Gigachad on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:17PM (#34111767)
Just buy an android. You won’t have to worry about yearly updates because you won’t get any.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by opan on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:57PM (#34112158)
I get updates every week or two from LineageOS. I'm sure you'll say that doesn't count, but I specifically pick devices with LineageOS support.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by grishka on Saturday December 24, 2022 @05:34AM (#34115652)
My main phone is a Pixel
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by theshrike79 on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:49PM (#34111491)
The thing is the "yearly upgrade cycle" isn't something people need to follow.

People (usually from the Android camp) complain that Apple never innovates on brings anything new, which is kinda true if you only take the delta between the two latest devices.

But they fail to take into account the person going from a phone that gets dropped by the latest iOS release (5+ years old) to the latest and greatest. The leap in features is staggering.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by rcarr on Friday December 23, 2022 @07:56PM (#34112577)
This was me this year. Went from a Late 2013 MacBook Pro that was an OS behind to an M1 Pro Macbook and also went from a 1st Gen iPad Pro to an M2 iPad Air with Magic Keyboard and Pencil 2.

Everything about the MacBook is better than its predecessor but I was particularly blown away by the iPad Air and the handwriting recognition. I put my 1st gen Apple Pencil in the drawer not long after buying the original iPad Pro and eventually sold it. Now I use my 2nd gen pencil every day and I’m even thinking of buying an iPad mini as a really portable digital notebook.

I get the same pleasure again next year when I finally get to upgrade my iPhone 8 Plus. Battery life on my 8 is terrible now and it will get dropped from OS upgrades next year. I’m probably going to upgrade to a Pro Max because I’ve heard the current generation get 48 hours+ battery. But most exciting of all next year: USB-C!

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:38AM (#34114314)
As a counter-point I went from an original iphone SE to the 3rd gen iphone SE this year because it started having major problems holding a charge for any length of time.

I much preferred the old form factor and would readily give up the faster processor, etc, for it.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by lesserknowndan on Saturday December 24, 2022 @07:42AM (#34116303)
Do you still have the old iPhone SE?

Apparently, and this explains my experience, after an OS update the phone will use a lot of battery while it does post processing of any photos you have and other random stuff.

After a full night’s charge, the next morning my iPhone SE battery plummeted so fast that the numbers were ticking down every few seconds.

After some Googling I read about this post-update battery usage issue. I deleted all the photos from my phone and my battery is now fine.

I wonder how many people have bought new phones because of thinking their phone battery is on the way out when really it is just post update activity.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:04PM (#34119988)
I wonder if that was Apple's CSAM stuff.

Funnily enough, after transferring everything to the new phone, the first thing I did was go through all my photo's and start deleting a lot of photos. I didn't realize it, but any time a photo is texted to you it saves it (makes sense, I just never thought about it), so I ended up deleting random photos going back years.

The charge port had gotten so finicky I couldn't get it to charge half the time and it was really a matter of economics. Spend $200-300 (or more) asking someone to fix it or spend a bit more and get a new one, so I decided to spend a bit more and get guaranteed good hardware.

I just really lament the form factor change.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by theshrike79 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @05:42PM (#34132261)
> I wonder if that was Apple's CSAM stuff.

Nah, that never got to production. The internet collectively lost their shit and the project was cancelled.

They just teach the image ML model to detect new kinds of stuff and it takes a while for it to go through your library.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by alphabettsy on Monday December 26, 2022 @02:37AM (#34135583)
> Apparently, and this explains my experience, after an OS update the phone will use a lot of battery while it does post processing of any photos you have and other random stuff.

Photo processing should only happen when plugged in.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by lesserknowndan on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @01:27AM (#34145797)
Well the phone wasn’t plugged in and processing of photos is the only thing that really makes sense to use all that power after an update. Maybe this is not as predictable as they think… or maybe was a bug. Maybe it was one of those “sleeping” background apps that shouldn’t need to be terminated.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by dilap on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:49PM (#34111493)
yeah, I went from a 12 to a 14, and honestly you could swap it back and I wouldn't even notice or care.

maybe this is what we should expect, though, as the tech matures -- like cars: there's a new model every year, but only significant upgrades every half decade or so.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by pantalaimon on Friday December 23, 2022 @09:23PM (#34113210)
Why did you feel the need to upgrade?
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by dilap on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:21AM (#34114516)
what can i say im a sucker

but mostly 'ciz work paid for it & and i could give my old phone to my brother-in-law (who had recently lost his in a hilarious dating mishap -- a hike, a river, old shorts w/ holes in the pockets...).

to be fair, the camera is better -- but im such a pitiful photographer it's wasted on me.

also, the pill sucks compared to the notch. (notch disappears mentally, pill doesn't.)

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by endisneigh on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:50PM (#34111499)
I disagree. A consistent yearly upgrade cycle is actually a good thing. It allows staggered upgrades for people who do not want to upgrade yearly, but still create the necessary incentive for incremental improvement.

A new iPhone every 5 years for example, would be dumb. Ignore the hype and marketing and just pick the one you'd like if and when you upgrade.

A tangent:

Personally, I wish more things had yearly upgrades and the backwards/forward compatibility Apple devices generally have. It's a different model, but it would be nice if game consoles had improved iterations yearly. The once a half decade model creates too much of a boom/bust cycle imho. If the Switch had a new, better version every year that was both forward and backward compatible within a "software generation" a lot of games like Pokemon wouldn't look and perform absolutely terribly.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by anikom15 on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:52PM (#34111520)
A new iPhone every five years means you’ll have a harder time getting one, like whenever a new video game console gets released.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by rolenthedeep on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:20PM (#34111795)
4 years of development time, 1 year of production to build inventory projected to last 6 months or something.

Take pre-orders a few weeks in advance, then everyone can have it day 1. No scalpers reselling them on eBay for 10 times the cost. No stampede at Apple stores because they already have a few weeks of inventory.

The accelerated product cycle is why you have awful launches like consoles. The product is barely finished and rushed into production in time for Christmas. There's not time to build the actual units. Slow down a bit and you can solve that problem.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by adt2bt on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:43PM (#34112019)
All of those ‘bad’ thing in launches serve a marketing purpose. Scarcity makes consumers think something is in demand. Additionally, every day of stockpiled inventory costs money.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by rolenthedeep on Friday December 23, 2022 @07:02PM (#34112195)
Yes, artificial scarcity and the accompanying artificially high prices are a bad thing for consumers, in all situations.

Inventory in a warehouse does not have the kind of cost you think it does. Most of the "cost" people talk about are hypothetical profits that a different product occupying that space might generate in the same time. The real costs are insurance and warehouse leases. Per unit, it's almost nothing.

A company like Apple could easily stockpile months worth of inventory and never even notice the real physical cost of storing it.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by chrisdirkis on Saturday December 24, 2022 @05:30AM (#34115626)
If you think there's no value to present money flows, I'd love to take $1MM from you. I'll pay it back later, so there's literally no cost to you, right?

Opportunity costs, or any other "virtual" cost, are still meaningful figures.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by terafo on Friday December 23, 2022 @08:01PM (#34112620)
Not if we are talking game consoles. Sony and Microsoft sell them at a loss and then recoup that loss with a cut from game sales.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by terafo on Friday December 23, 2022 @08:08PM (#34112680)
Let's put it into perspective. A11 had 3x less bandwidth, 5x less flops, node that's a lot worse(since then we had N7, N7P, N6, N5 and it's many variations). Such big leaps are problematic in terms of project management. Just ask C++11 people. Or Intel, with their EUV nodes. Or anybody else who decided to shoot to the moon. Having intermediate deliverables has an immense value on its own. I'd argue that we are getting much better phones this way than we would have otherwise.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by saagarjha on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:11AM (#34115229)
A few weeks of iPhone inventory is going to be in the tens, if not hundreds, of millions.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by Aloha on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:52PM (#34111519)
Perhaps, but a new better one every two years might be pretty compelling.

They sorta do a tick-tock cycle now, generally, its form factors on the 'tick', and significant hardware refresh on the 'tock'

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by TillE on Friday December 23, 2022 @07:40PM (#34112485)
> Apple devices

Well, not Macs. They've never managed to settle into any kind of consistent upgrade cycle there. In the past I guess they could blame Intel somehow, but they're not even releasing an M2 iMac at all.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by denkmoon on Friday December 23, 2022 @08:30PM (#34112843)
iMacs aren't exactly a big seller. There are new macbooks every year.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by dwaite on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:14AM (#34115250)
> In the past I guess they could blame Intel somehow,

It was fairly easy. Intel's released products often would not meet original spec, or once it was throttled to fit into spec it didn't have significant performance gains over the prior generation. Often they would go generations without the performance warranting the increased part cost.

> They've never managed to settle into any kind of consistent upgrade cycle there

They would like an annual incremental upgrade cycle and a five year design cycle.

Even without Intel, they still have supply chain constraints. For instance, even with their own silicon, they are relying on TSMC to be able to meet process and production volume targets.

Releasing chips on a new process will likely lead to really odd effects due to yield issues - for instance, having a new CPU show up first in products with lower sales volume. That includes tiering, either with things like a regular vs "pro" phone, or retaining the older model of computer while charging more for the newer version.

Right now they appear to be on an 18 month cycle for Apple silicon, which is driving their new hardware (either with a new machine serving as the launch platform of some new SoC, or a design revamp of a machine based on existing SoC).

Humorously, the only product which has had an incremental update so far is the MacBook Pro 13".

I suspect they'll eventually have a two or three year "architecture" tick for their Mac and iPad SoCs. Depending on those architectures and the upstream changes at TSMC, there might be a lot of different SoCs released against that tick.

> but they're not even releasing an M2 iMac at all.

I'd be really shocked if they don't release a M2 iMac, most likely in March.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by SomeHacker44 on Friday December 23, 2022 @08:29PM (#34112837)
Apple has terrible forwards or backwards compatibility. It is one reason I abandoned them. I wanted off the required upgrade bandwagon when my apps and such started breaking and their UX paradigms kept changing.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by endisneigh on Friday December 23, 2022 @08:36PM (#34112894)
i'm curious, which devices and apps did you experience this on?
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by SomeHacker44 on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @01:43PM (#34164206)
I used almost all Apple products from 2004 to 2018 when i decided to get off the bandwagon. I started with getting off the iPhone cause I wanted a fingerprint sensor and no notch. (OnePlus 7 Pro had what I wanted.) I hated the touch bar and wanted real F keys because I use those extensively in my IDEs. I also hated fixing my laptop once or twice a year cause keys broke. From an OS perspective, iOS upgrades permanently broke apps for me several times, which were not updated by their providers. For macOS, 10.8 was great and I eventually got to 10.12, but I had devices that work just fine but were 32-bit only. Then Homebrew even stopped supporting old versions, whichnwas the last straw. All in all, Apple just became more and more hostile to me and I am done with them. I keep an iPad solely for Foreflight, but I am sampling Garmin Pilot too. (Does not appear to be in the same league.)
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by pantalaimon on Friday December 23, 2022 @09:20PM (#34113196)
I’m still on an iPhone 8 and it’s running smooth and receives the latest iOS updates.

I couldn’t say the same about an Android phone of similar vintage (not counting lineageOS - there I can even still get the latest Android on my Oneplus One, but it’s more rough around the edges compared to the original OS)

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by senderista on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:50PM (#34111502)
Welcome to publicly traded companies and stock-based executive compensation.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by marcinzm on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:07PM (#34111655)
This seems more like any company simply trying to maximize revenue and profits rather than something to do with being public.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by fragmede on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:48PM (#34112062)
but only public companies have to maximize revenue to the Nth degree, publicly. If the company isn't public, you have a far smaller audience to impress, and one that can be made to understand nuance. Eg how is Dell doing? Few really know since they went private.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by marcinzm on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:08AM (#34114979)
That’s a fine argument if you explain why a yearly release cycle hurts long term total revenue as well. To me it seems to help it.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by com2kid on Friday December 23, 2022 @07:33PM (#34112442)
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Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by Dylan16807 on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:07AM (#34114727)
The main reason I go for the newest android phone possible is to make sure I get updates. Only in the last year have google and samsung increased their update commitments to the point that a year-old phone is acceptable.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by madrox on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:06PM (#34111650)
Ed Catmull calls this "feeding the beast" and it's one of the biggest barriers to innovation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LafDex0L7FM
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by Gigachad on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:15PM (#34111748)
Nah, they do a slower cycle for some of the iPads and it results in a model that’s 3 years old still selling and everyone advises to wait a year for the new one because it will be way better.

While the iPhone is always a good time to buy because next years one won’t obsolete this years.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by vineyardmike on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:41PM (#34112003)
They’ve basically killed the cycle, in all but name. Now it’s just steady progress but it’s not too differentiated. I too upgraded to the 14P from 11P, mostly for the MagSafe. MagSafe has been out since the 12 but I couldn’t be bothered until 3 years on. Now I won’t upgrade until USBC or it breaks.

The iPhone 14 (non pro) uses much of the iPhone 13’s internals, while the Pro gets upgraded. I think this is basically how the watch already is. I expect this is the future, the upgraded won’t really matter and won’t really exist beyond slight aesthetic tweaks. It’s like cars, no matter which year you get, they all drive just fine and are mostly the same internally. I’ve long said that cars are the natural comparison to these sort of electronics. Cars and phones are probably the two most expensive and utilitarian things people regularly buy. They come out with new ones every year, but don’t do major refreshes every year so you don’t really have a reason to tine when to buy one. I think it also indicates that we’ll see a price stagnating base-model phone and an ever increasing top-tier model as the companies explore how much people are willing to spend (a Corolla vs a Mercedes).

The nice thing about the steady new versions is that you can always go to the store and buy the biggest-number iPhone version and not worry about lifespan or if it’s good (contrast with a game console: if you buy the PS4 6mo before the PS5 comes out, you made a mistake).

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:49AM (#34114362)
> I think it also indicates that we’ll see a price stagnating base-model phone and an ever increasing top-tier model as the companies explore how much people are willing to spend (a Corolla vs a Mercedes).

I don't think so.

A Mercedes will get you laid, the latest iphone won't and likely never will.

cell phones stopped being status symbols long before smart phones were created by apple and I don't see them going back to that.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by saagarjha on Saturday December 24, 2022 @04:13AM (#34115246)
> A Mercedes will get you laid, the latest iphone won't and likely never will.

Not having one might harm your chances, though.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by vineyardmike on Saturday December 24, 2022 @02:51PM (#34120462)
> A Mercedes will get you laid

Only because it’s a sign you have money, not because cars are cool.

> the latest iphone won't and likely never will.

When apple has a $5k iPhone it may once again become a status symbol.

Almost 50% of Americans have an iPhone of some version. It’s obviously not a status symbol of everyone has one. iPhones, like cars, are mostly undifferentiated.

Apple has a lot of room to build a status symbol, but admittedly they haven’t been too successful when trying with the Apple Watch, so I will admit the odds are low they’ll succeed, but I believe the market exists in the long run.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:32PM (#34133912)
I think the issue is that a phone mostly sits in your pocket, a car is clearly visible to everyone when you "enter the room", as it were.

The other issue is copying it is too easy, so even if Apple tried the look of it would very quickly get copied.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by dragonwriter on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:39PM (#34133947)
> Almost 50% of Americans have an iPhone of some version.

Smartphones are present in ~85% of US households, and about 45% of US smartphone users have an iPhone; that’s significantly less than 50% of Americans with an iPhone.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by megablast on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:47PM (#34112055)
What a silly statement.

Most people aren’t updating every year.

Imagine if they only updated every second year. You would pay full price for a phone that came out 23 months ago?? Don’t be daft.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by exabrial on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:49PM (#34112071)
Completely agree. 2-4 years would be wonderful if they actually worked out all of the bugs. Instead we get mostly half baked ideas and products instead of stuff that actually works solid.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by wilg on Friday December 23, 2022 @09:37PM (#34113286)
I really don't get this implication that it's bad to do minor updates to products every year. They're not expecting you to buy one every year (but they hope you do!). It's like I don't complain if they come out with a 2023 Corolla with refined cupholders.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by AdrianB1 on Friday December 23, 2022 @09:40PM (#34113297)
I just changed my phone after 6 years, but I did not expect the industry to suspend for all that time just because I don't need a new phone every year. Having new products every years does not suggest you should upgrade.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by teruakohatu on Friday December 23, 2022 @09:47PM (#34113338)
> I got the new 14 Pro, but only because I wanted the mag charger feature

As long as people are willing to upgrade for minor features, why wouldn't they release a new phone each year?

I say this as a person who would (will) absolutely upgrade just for USB-C hopefully next year.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by AlexThrowAway on Saturday December 24, 2022 @01:14AM (#34114481)
I have an iphone XS. I'll be upgrading for USB-C, Globalstar messaging, and 8GB of ram. All three are required.

I will not play the nickel and diming game on DRAM, 6GB on a flagship phone ain't enough for a five year phone.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by katbyte on Friday December 23, 2022 @10:38PM (#34113699)
personally i was pretty stoked about the satellite SOS feature and dual band GPS. The huge jump in camera megapixels and car crash detection is also nice.

but if none of that interests you then yes, i guess it could be considered a terrible cycle.

Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by bpye on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:01AM (#34114139)
I'm still holding onto my 11 Pro for now, but if the 15 Pro has USB-C I'll happily upgrade. There's nothing on my 11 Pro I'm unhappy with still, though the battery life is noticeably worse than when new by now.
Re:iPhone 14 Pro Faced 'Unprecedented' Setback Leading to Re... by dwaite on Saturday December 24, 2022 @03:38AM (#34115108)
> This yearly upgrade cycle is terrible. Their phones are fantastic, and now they're stuck in some sort of spiral to push things every year. They could stand to chill out

They don't have planning meetings once iOS 16 or iPhone 14 ships to decide what to work on next year - like most companies, the products are divided into components, for is divided into features, where those features have multi-year pipelines and land when they are ready (although they often land incrementally).

Slower releases likely mean that there'd be more motivation to aggressively push changes out, e.g. your team's changes either ships in 3 months or have to wait two extra years. That means that a slower release cycle can actually decrease quality, and is IMHO one of the reasons that many longtime MacOS users have decided they'll never install an OS until the dot-two release.

Even if that isn't the case, slower release cycles mean that developers are less nimble in correcting the problems that inevitably exist.

A non-Apple example - Java before 1.9 is a great case study of how a poor release process cost insane amounts of efficiency, and cause a language to be too slow to take advantage of market opportunities. Their new process is faster and more predictable, and has resulted in significant gains for the language and VM.

> I got the new 14 Pro, but only because I wanted the mag charger feature. Before that, the 11 Pro was still a solid phone and did everything I wanted and more. Won't be upgrading at least 3 years

Sure, most people don't upgrade their hardware every year. That doesn't mean creating and selling new hardware is a bad idea.