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Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by gjsman-1000 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @03:49PM (#33822510)
They are getting worse particularly in the software department. Two that really grind my gears (there are others):

MacOS on Apple Silicon for an extremely long time (maybe it's solved now? 2 years later?) which caused incredibly glitchy, almost unusable cursor movement if you let your battery drain to 0%, then plugged it back in and woke it from hibernate.

Screen Time in macOS is unbelievably, ludicrously, fully broken. Nothing about it works almost at all. Metrics for children don't show up. Web filtering falls open after a few hours at random (presumably because the background services crash). The "site not allowed" page predates HTML5 and randomly doesn't work. You can't block built-in apps like Apple News, the best you can do is set a 1-minute time limit. Tons of IP Addresses and Apple phone-home addresses get blocked on the "allowed sites only" mode resulting in constant popups. I had to pay for Qustodio because it's just useless. Also, it has elementary bugs that are horrifying. For example, the pane where you add allowed websites doesn't remember websites you just added when you dismiss it - so if you open the pane again without a reboot, and add another site, it forgets the one you added last time you opened the pane.

However janky other things might be on macOS, Screen Time with "Allowed Sites Only" is by far the most broken thing on macOS, bar none. Try using it with your younger children and rage in frustration as it crashes-open silently and allows Private Browsing with no filtering after a few hours.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by bink on Thursday December 01, 2022 @03:58PM (#33822613)
The first example is oddly specific. I think you can find flaws like that with almost any software or hardware manufacturer, regardless of monopoly status.

The second example is, I think, a perfect example of what most large companies do, which is to neglect specific features in favor of others. People want to work on the "new hotness" rather than maintain something written 10 years ago by a team that no longer exists.

I don't think either suggests that Apple software is getting worse as a whole. The simple fact that they rolled out an entirely new architecture and it's worked pretty flawlessly (except for some fraction of people when the battery drains to 0 and it hibernates and needs a restart) suggests to me that they aren't just resting and pulling in money based on their monopoly status (which they don't even have in any industry).

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by 2muchcoffeeman on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:10PM (#33822803)
There was a time when Apple would release a new version that was basically a maintenance release. And they would squash a bunch of bugs. I think a lot of people still remember this. Perhaps through some objective measure, it’s still ok. But I agree it all feels worse.
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by TravelPiglet on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:44PM (#33823295)
Old macOS versions were usually extremely buggy. People have just forgotten this
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by olyjohn on Thursday December 01, 2022 @05:30PM (#33823899)
I don't know man. I used to work on tons of PPC and early Intel Macs that ran OSX (before iPhone and all that). Those were pretty great machines, and the OS basically just was an OS. No shit software preinstalled on top of it.

The first real shit app was iTunes. And ever since then, the OS has just stagnated while they put more software in to sell music, apps, and cloud storage.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by 2muchcoffeeman on Thursday December 01, 2022 @05:48PM (#33824085)
There were plenty of bugs. But there were at least a few releases that addressed these. Snow Leopard is probably the most notable which shipped with no new features. I think I first started on Panther and there was at least 1 upgrade during the PowerPC times that really cleaned things up and improved performance quite a bit.

Which is why I speculate that overall, it might not be better. You had to wait a couple years to get the fixes. Now they probably ship the fixes and new features on a more regular basis.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by hnfong on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:22PM (#33826742)
Can you name one Intel Mac release that didn't ship with iTunes?
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by olyjohn on Friday December 02, 2022 @03:18PM (#33836299)
You're right. I didn't realize that iTunes even pre-dated OSX.
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by gjsman-1000 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:01PM (#33822659)
> The first example is oddly specific. I think you can find flaws like that with almost any software or hardware manufacturer, regardless of monopoly status.

True... but this one has caught me, over and over, and it makes me paranoid of a low battery. Before I just had a lazy habit of not getting off the couch until the battery actually died from 0%. Now I panic the moment it turns red, because the cursor bug quickly makes working miserable and requires a restart for my sanity.

> I don't think either suggests that Apple software is getting worse as a whole.

To me, it suggests they are letting more surface-level bugs get a pass than previously. Before, they might have had poorly designed software once in a while, but not things this basic and easily discoverable.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by PTcartelsLOL on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:42PM (#33823263)
Gawd... a restart... unthinkable.

You should try windows...

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by Aeolos on Thursday December 01, 2022 @05:54PM (#33824163)
Seems to have been finally fixed on MacOS Venture 13.0.

But 2 years of this bug was embarrassing.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by onlyrealcuzzo on Thursday December 01, 2022 @03:57PM (#33822610)
> They are getting worse particularly in the software department.

I would argue the opposite.

Their software has historically been terrible.

OG iTunes ranks at the top of the worst pieces of software I've ever used - rendered the iPod almost useless for me.

Their software is still unimpressive, but I'd argue it's trending in the right direction.

The App Store is functional. Safari is not terrible. Their email client is fine. The Apple TV UI is pretty snazzy, etc.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by sn0wf1re on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:11PM (#33822818)
The Apple TV is a multi-user device with extremely poor multi-user support. Considering how long it has been used by B&Bs it amazes me that Apple has never allowed guest access.

Music App sometimes breaks. It just doesn't play certain sections of some songs, even on replay, closing the app doesn't help; a device reboot is required to play songs in their entirety. And this happens on both devices that are connected via hardwire as well as wifi/LTE.

Considering Apple's revenue it is ridiculous how long bugs persist in their applications.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by ericmay on Thursday December 01, 2022 @03:59PM (#33822636)
Yea I don't get this either. I find while maybe lacking some features, a lot of their applications work either just fine or great. Apple Maps for example, the Podcasts app, many others.
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by gjsman-1000 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:04PM (#33822710)
You have to be kidding, right? The Apple Podcasts app is widely considered one of Apple's worst - and before Apple started playing "rating pop up" shenanigans, it was rated only 1.8 stars on the App Store.

https://9to5mac.com/2021/11/19/apple-podcasts-app-store-rati...

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by ericmay on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:07PM (#33822764)
I use it every day and it works just fine for me. What's wrong with it?
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by atribecalledqst on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:51PM (#33823394)
I can't speak for the original iTunes (I used it but not heavily and too long ago to remember), but I've been a consistent user of iTunes between Snow Leopard and Monterey and my experience is that it's gotten worse with every release. With Music being the worst iteration yet, and significantly worse than the last version of iTunes I used (on High Sierra).

I actually have a whole laundry list of things I consider regressions in the Music app, but I'll just regale you with the most frustrating one for my use case:

If you use Home Sharing with wired headphones, it works. If you use wireless headphones with a local music library, it works. If you use wireless headphones and Home Sharing, it does not work. The program refuses to play anything. This was a nice surprise when I first tried to use Music after getting this laptop.

(I'm actually really curious if anybody else experiences this behavior -- anybody reading please chime in if so!)

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by olyjohn on Thursday December 01, 2022 @05:38PM (#33823980)
Before iTunes, I think the OS was great. I think iTunes was the catalyst that pushed OSX down the priority list.

Once they saw they could make money selling music, they started focusing on that and pushing that POS down your throat. Then when they finally realized they could sell apps on iPhones, that's where the focus went. The OS has stagnated since then, IMO. Their bread and butter has been selling apps, music and cloud storage, and it's clear (IMO) that's where all the actual development focus has gone.

Also the e-mail client is trash. It is supposed to support MS Exchange, and my co-workers and I used to use it at work just fine with OS 10.14. It was an awesome replacement for shitty Outlook. Once 10.15 came out, it would quit syncing, freeze up, stop sending email, etc. This was not just once in a while, it would literally quit working almost immediately. I was forced back into Outlook again. It felt like they never tested it with Office 365 even once. But of course, their own e-mail services work fine with it.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by danaris on Thursday December 01, 2022 @06:36PM (#33824650)
> I think iTunes was the catalyst that pushed OSX down the priority list.

...iTunes was originally released with MacOS 9. It predates the public release of Mac OS X.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by olyjohn on Friday December 02, 2022 @03:15PM (#33836259)
Wow. Well, I guess my memory was way wrong on that. I thought the iPod came after OSX. Didn't realize it was that old.
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by bearmode on Friday December 02, 2022 @03:16AM (#33828093)
>Safari is not terrible

It abso-fucking-lutely is terrible

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by flutas on Thursday December 01, 2022 @03:56PM (#33822597)
> They are getting worse particularly in the software department.

I actually just found one that has me scratching my head...

If I plug a USB-C -> Ethernet adapter in to my M1 MBP on OSX Ventura...it brings down the entire network.

Just ethernet + adapter + power is fine, plug it into the laptop, entire network dies.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by rootusrootus on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:19PM (#33822928)
That's a weird one. When you say it brings it down, what do you mean is actually occurring? I have a USB ethernet adapter in use on my M1 MBP running Ventura as I write this, and it's been completely fine. But if there's a gotcha out there lurking, I'd be interested to know what triggers it.
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by flutas on Thursday December 01, 2022 @07:30PM (#33825152)
> When you say it brings it down, what do you mean is actually occurring?

All wired devices on the network (except for an AP strangely enough) drop all connections and can't get DNS responses.

I haven't had the time to dig in further than that yet though.

Someone did reply with this link[0], which may be the same or similar to what I'm experiencing just a different scenario.

[0]: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/05/11/usb-c-hubs-breaking-ether...

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by martimarkov on Friday December 02, 2022 @07:39AM (#33829731)
We actually had a very similar issue in the office but maybe a bit different. From time to time an entire part of the office would start having slow internet or almost no internet. Took us a few months to fix (it wasn't really on the priority list and was super random when it happened).

Turned out that it happened when one specific USB-C dongle with ethernet and PD was left powered on but not connected to the computer (I think there were other preconditions as well like it was powered-off and you connect power to it but not a computer to it). The device will then decide to go into DHCP server mode and start sending advertisement packets and the switch would start broadcasting them, the internal firewall would see this and start blocking the switch and in turn turn off the AP that was connected to it so 26 ports would be offline essentially. Most of us were on wifi and everyone who was on an ethernet (3 ppl) would go "FFS internet is unstable again. Stupid switch is probably buggy", disconnect their cable and go on wifi. Plus they never really reported it as they had work to do and Wifi kinda worked so not a big issue.

It was just a really cool moment when we found out what caused it and we fired up Wireshark and looked at the traffic and we were right. I haven't had a moment of so much joy in a really long time.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by rootusrootus on Friday December 02, 2022 @08:58AM (#33830459)
That is fascinating, thanks for the link! Hopefully I'll remember that if either of my USB/Ethernet adapters seems to be related to a network problem. Sometimes I think USB-C hubs are simultaneously the best thing ever, and the bane of my existence. I'm finally happy with the CalDigit one I use now, but it took a couple attempts to find something that didn't have some glaring problem. One of my MacBooks just uses a plan USB->Ethernet adapter successfully, but that's because I don't need it to do anything more complicated.
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by bartvk on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:24PM (#33822996)
Which USB-C -> Ethernet adapter is that?
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by flutas on Thursday December 01, 2022 @07:37PM (#33825214)
It's a Insignia one from BB[0], so probably not the best QA on it.

Still trying to determine why and when though, as this adapter used to be fine.

[0]: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-7-port-type-c-hub-with...

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:03PM (#33822703)
Do they run their own DHCP server on a laptop maybe?
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by jrmg on Thursday December 01, 2022 @05:24PM (#33823837)
It’s probably a bug in your network switch: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/05/11/usb-c-hubs-breaking-ether...
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by flutas on Thursday December 01, 2022 @07:29PM (#33825139)
I don't think it would be since that mentions the bug is when it's connected to everything but a computer and mine's the opposite. Everything is fine except when it's connected to the laptop, could still be the same bug though.
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by abdusco on Thursday December 01, 2022 @03:53PM (#33822555)
> almost unusable cursor movement if you let your battery drain to 0%, then plugged it back in and woke it from hibernate.

Argh. I hate it when this happens. It's infuriating that this hasn't been fixed yet.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by jensensbutton on Thursday December 01, 2022 @03:52PM (#33822547)
My M1 Pro still randomly loses internet requiring a restart.
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by therein on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:31PM (#33823094)
Likely that it is related to Bluetooth as well. Especially if you have AirPods connected. I noticed the wireless connection quality degrades significantly when the device is connected to an AirPod.
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by 2muchcoffeeman on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:10PM (#33822811)
Have you tried flushing the DNS cache?
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by typon on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:28PM (#33823060)
This has almost become a meme at this point. Anyone in the office who has a problem with their internet on the Macbook, I just send them this:

sudo dscacheutil -flushcache;sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by JamesSwift on Thursday December 01, 2022 @08:24PM (#33825564)
yep, been a part of my bash aliases for about a decade now?
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by iamacyborg on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:08PM (#33822782)
My asus wifi card in my pc does that too
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by atribecalledqst on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:47PM (#33823333)
I haven't seen mine lose Internet entirely, but I have seen it randomly switch between the two Wi-Fi networks I have set up where I live. I eventually got frustrated with this and then told it it can't automatically connect to one of them anymore.
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by atribecalledqst on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:57PM (#33823483)
A lot of folks are disagreeing with you in the replies but I actually agree with you to be honest. I recently got a new Macbook Pro after my old one unexpectedly died and there are a lot of things in Monterey that I find highly annoying relative to the last version I was on (High Sierra). I complained about Music in another reply.

One thing that really annoys me that I don't remember from High Sierra is this weird "overbounce"/"overscroll" functionality. This drives me absolutely nuts! Preview does this for example, and actually so does Firefox (but you can disable it there).

If you open up a PDF in Preview, set the zoom so that a full page width is entirely within view (i.e. no scrolling needed), then scroll a bit to the side anyway, you'll see what I'm talking about. The viewport moves even though the full page width is in view. I've found that this triggers even when I'm trying to scroll down, resulting in a weird, glitchy scroll feel.

I feel like I should temper the bad with the good a bit though. For example I have not had Bluetooth fail randomly with this new computer, whereas it failed quite a lot on my last one -- often requiring a reboot to fix.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by tomxor on Thursday December 01, 2022 @05:00PM (#33823527)
All the children comments to this post are amusing... Some things get worse, some get better, some things depend on the use case.

They all miss the point. The problem with Apple in it's relentless mission of maximising vertical integration, is that you are forced to align with their decisions at every single level, whether it's technical, social or political. "Cult" doesn't do it justice, Apple is has gone far beyond this.

Most other proprietary tech is not like this because the pieces are smaller with some reasonable degree of either interchangeability or combinability. Apple isn't neutral technology it's some kind of political entity. When you sign up, you are handing over all control, which is fine until they do something you don't like at which point your only choice is abandon the entire thing or accept it - I don't give a crap about NFTs, but I give a crap about some things, and I don't want to be part of an ecosystem where I can be pushed around. I don't blame the people who are stuck in it, it's hard to exit something that can define a lot about how you work with technology, they are essentially the victim of a big bully with a very difficult to stomach exit strategy.

Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by smoldesu on Thursday December 01, 2022 @05:31PM (#33823908)
tomxor, you may survive us yet. Unfortunately, many of the hackers on this site aren't willing to see the forest for the trees. We're too busy fighting over myopic identity politics to imagine a future without the problems we face today.
Re:Apple Blocks Coinbase wallet, for not giving them a 30% c... by superdisk on Thursday December 01, 2022 @06:50PM (#33824806)
Similar frustration and mind boggling for me when I found that the "custom focus" feature on iOS just does... nothing. It's a feature where you're supposed to be able to select which specific apps can send notifications to you, so I made one which allows Slack to come through (for work) and blocks everything else. Instead, it just allows everything through as if the "custom focus" wasn't enabled at all.

No seriously, I'm baffled. How was this released?