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Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by unglaublich on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:12PM (#33754508)
That 'raining, snowing, too hot, too cold' argument keeps coming up. You know, we humans are perfectly capable of dressing up appropriately and just enjoying the fresh air, whether it's warm or cold. In fact, it makes you feel alive!

Get the nice warm gloves and raincoat out for winter, or the super light and loose shirt with sunglasses for summer.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by tialaramex on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:31PM (#33754698)
You just can't fix the extreme edges this way. Above about 300K that "super light and loose shirt" is still drenched with sweat unless your "assist" is doing all the work or there's a pretty stiff wind.

Below about 250K the "nice warm clothing" needed to make this comfortable would become too bulky to make ordinary movement practical, so we skimp. We tell ourselves nope, we're just not going outside except to do stuff, and then we're coming straight back. Below 200K it's no longer practical to keep humans alive with anything resembling "clothing". You should use a building to keep warm instead. Earth is capable of both these extremes, although outside temperatures below 200K are usually only seen in the Antarctic interior during storms.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by DoesntMatter22 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:38PM (#33754752)
What is 300k? Are you using kelvin here?
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by tialaramex on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:45PM (#33754821)
300K. Yes. I don't find it very convenient to work with these weird signed temperatures.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by missedthecue on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:03PM (#33755020)
No one knows what you mean.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by tremon on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:21PM (#33755715)
That's about an 86 on my scale of intelligibility.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lzooz on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:22PM (#33754602)
Good luck convincing people to give up their cars and go to work soaked in a raincoat every day.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lm28469 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:40PM (#33754770)
Yep, reason #1 we're fucked, people became absolute cry babies about anythign resembling physical effort or inconvenience. They'd burn the planet twice over rather than move their asses anywhere else other than in a 3 tonne climatized metal cage
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lttlrck on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:58PM (#33754963)
Calling them cry babies is really not helpful.

Considering we spend most of our lives trying to increase the standard of living for ourselves and for others it's not all that surprising people resist reducing it, is it?

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lm28469 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:16PM (#33755130)
Is it "increase the standard of living " when it decreases your life expectancy, physical shape, made the city unliveable for pedestrians, potentially fuck up the climate for the next few hundred years, &c ?

At some point we have to look in the mirror and make choices for ourselves, and yes, lots of people became absolutely pathetic excuse of human beings, if you can't stand the rain I'm sorry but you definitely are a cry baby.

What's the end goal of this pursuit of "quality of life" ? Living in a matrix style pod, being fed food through your veins while being sedated and transported into the metaverse ?

If you can't imagine a world without cars and the idea of using a bike repulses you because "rain" you're the problem, or at least a very big part of it

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by factsarelolz on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:26PM (#33755764)
> Is it "increase the standard of living " when it decreases your life expectancy, physical shape

Yes, it increases the standard of living by pulling poor people out of poverty. So the rich consumer nation has their life decreased due to over consumption while increasing the standard of living of those from poorer nations. The rich consumer nation cannot consume AND increase life expectancy at an infinite rate.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by dghlsakjg on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:51PM (#33756005)
Cars do not, on their own, pull poor people out of poverty. In the US it’s quite the opposite. The need to own a car is a significant drag on many peoples finances
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lm28469 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @06:36PM (#33758141)
If it was that easy poverty wouldn't exist for decades
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by factsarelolz on Saturday November 26, 2022 @07:17PM (#33758524)
Simply look to China and India of the past few decades. With the US offshoring a majority of their manufacturers to China, it lifted their people out of poverty. The US outsourced a majority of their tech support / call center jobs to India and India has seen the same result. You may also look to Japan and semiconductors, and engines. Note these are only but some and small portions but if you zoom out it’s hard to miss.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by iancmceachern on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:26PM (#33754652)
I'm an American visiting Paris and have noticed many folks on scooters and ebikes have these skirts that are fabric covers that cover the bike seat and also the legs of the rider when they ride. They also have these mitten like things that attach to the handles that allow you to operate the bike but also protect your hands from the elements. Between those two things, and a decent rain jacket (which you need anyway) it seems to protect folks well and allow them to do just about anything one would do with their car. It's not that far fetched.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:04PM (#33755028)
Have you seen any solution they're using for transporting things, like groceries or computers or extra clothes?
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by onlyrealcuzzo on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:19PM (#33755156)
Yes - a bike cargo rack.

You have a waterproof bag that attaches to it. Problem completely solved.

It rains quite a bit in Netherlands, and it's the biking capital of the world.

It's almost as if rain isn't really that big of a deal.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by dghlsakjg on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:50PM (#33755991)
Baskets, racks, panniers, backpacks, delivery services, cargo bikes, trailers.

A significant number of Parisians don’t own cars so this is no different than before for them.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by prmoustache on Saturday November 26, 2022 @08:00PM (#33758857)
Even without a cargo bike, I carry 20 to 25kg of groceries using a standard step thru city bike equipped with a front and rear rack and dual bags front and rear + backpack.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by nephanth on Saturday November 26, 2022 @08:16PM (#33758990)
In Paris, you will see a lot of uber eats/deliveroo/etc. drivers on bikes and electric mopeds. It reduces their costs by orders of magnitude while not really changing their delivery times (probably shortening them actually. Unrelated to the question, they drive extremely dangerously (because of the way they're paid, they're doing all they can to cut times. do not expect them to stop at red lights))

They have those huge backpacks [1]. Some fasten it like a kind of top-case.

[1]: https://images.app.goo.gl/XVyoMqpQiQFvC5EU8

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by iancmceachern on Saturday November 26, 2022 @10:08PM (#33759809)
Yes, there are entire companies devoted to making them. Here are a few:

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle-top-cases?gclid=Cj0KCQiA...

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by elliottkember on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:44PM (#33754803)
Hopefully, ever-increasing gas prices will do the convincing.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by unglaublich on Saturday November 26, 2022 @03:18PM (#33756249)
While I am a big human-powered-transportation supporter, feeding a human is generally more expensive than paying for gas to have a machine do it.

A human needs some 2kJ / kg / km to ride. That's 1.6MJ.

A car needs ~15L gas per 100km, so that's 45MJ for a 10km ride.

While the car uses 30x as much energy, it will only cost you $1.30.

The human needs 1.6MJ of food. That's about a grilled chicken sandwich. Which will cost you $4.30...

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by prmoustache on Saturday November 26, 2022 @08:02PM (#33758880)
Most people commuting by cars need to exercise at least 2-3 times a week to be healthy anyway. Commuting by foot, bicycle or any human powered way allows you to do the exercising and commuting in one go.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by elliottkember on Sunday November 27, 2022 @01:49AM (#33760991)
* at current gas prices
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by fulafel on Sunday November 27, 2022 @04:10AM (#33761582)
What about the e-bike, how many MJ goes to electricity and how many to human power?

(Also for the human-powered case, biking often displaces some other exercise. And of course using gas is bringing about the climate catastrophe so it's unethical, money isn't everything)

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by fulafel on Sunday November 27, 2022 @09:45AM (#33763250)
Replying to myself, apparently a 25 km/h ebike does about 4.25 Wh/km of battery power which would be 0.15 MJ of electricity for 10 km. A bit more considering losses in charger.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by mgbmtl on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:47PM (#33754845)
We don't need to convince everybody. Even just convincing 10% makes a huge difference in shifting the conversation, infrastructure, reducing energy usage, etc.

I live in Montreal and winter cycling used to be a really hardcore thing. Not anymore. Winters are warmer now, just a bit, but enough to make winter cycling pleasant on most days. Dedicated, snow-plowed cycling lanes made a huge difference.

(I use my car most of the time, because usually a daycare run with kid, but now we're equipped for maybe once a week by bike)

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by leni536 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:49PM (#33754869)
Me and many of my collagues do this. We have a drying room at the workplace where we can hang our drenched raincoats.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by scajanus on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:47PM (#33755379)
Yeah -- a lot of the problems presented here (proper clothing for the weather, showering/changing/drying your commuting gear at the office) have simple and quite affordable solutions as soon as even a few people do it.

Office and apartment buildings here (Helsinki) even compete by providing convenient bike storage even for cargo bikes with easy access, washing spots for bikes/muddy or sandy gear, drying cabinets etc.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by thiht on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:27PM (#33754660)
Except when you go to work and have to spend the day with your pants and shoes drenched. And if you have glasses, you quickly can't see anything.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lm28469 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:39PM (#33754760)
You can own multiple pair of shoes, and even have one stay at the office, same for pants. I do it and I don't feel like I'm having a miserable existence

But fuck it, let's buy a car and fuck the planet, that's much more convenient, god forbid we sweat or touch the rain, oh the horror !

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by throwaway0x7E6 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:50PM (#33754880)
Yes.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:02PM (#33755003)
> You can own multiple pair of shoes, and even have one stay at the office, same for pants.

This hints at another counterpoint: it's not just yourself you have to protect from elements, but also whatever it is you want to transport with you. Like those extra shoes. Or electronics. Or groceries. Etc.

Waterproof bags probably exist, but I can't say I've seen them available, or used, by anyone at all.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Beltalowda on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:39PM (#33755323)
> Waterproof bags probably exist, but I can't say I've seen them available, or used, by anyone at all.

What? Almost all non-cheap backpacks are water-proof. Water-proof packs are around everywhere.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by dghlsakjg on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:28PM (#33755777)
Right? I think that I would have to try to find a bike pannier that ISN’T waterproof.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 26, 2022 @07:25PM (#33758596)
I honestly never owned one in my life, nor I believe I ever seen one. Note that by "waterproof" I mean something I could stuff a laptop into and have it survive half an hour of heavy rain in it. Not something that will resist a small drizzle for few minutes before its inside surfaces start to get wet.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by JodieBenitez on Monday November 28, 2022 @09:40AM (#33774121)
Where I live a pair of detachable waterproof (yes, you can literally take a 1 hour shower with them) bike bags is about 30$.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lm28469 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:11PM (#33755080)
I must live a very peculiar life then. All I need is a backpack and a rain coat, it's been 7 years or so and I haven't experienced anything life changing so far

I get on my bike, go to the store, office, friends, &c. rain, snow, sun, wind, it won't kill you really

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by yafbum on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:36PM (#33755292)
Let me guess

No kids?

What you described was my bike centric life as well until it wasn't.

When you have to do school drop-off a couple miles away for middle schoolers, or do that weekly store run for a family, it gets a bit trickier on the bike.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Xylakant on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:50PM (#33755993)
I have kids. They’re sitting happily in the dry under the canopy. It’s great. Wherever I need to drop them off, childcare, sports, friends, I park right in front. Predictable travel times, no stuck in traffic. My long term cycling average speed is on par with the average car speed in Berlin. Sure, on some distances I loose vs. a car, but on others I win, since I can take shortcuts or pass cars stuck in traffic.

Bike packs 100kg of stuff or a large shopping trolley in volume. Works for the weekly shopping without issue.

The only time it sucks is ice on the road. Snow is fine, but ice is not - because bike lanes get treated like third class infrastructure, worse than pavements.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Doctor_Fegg on Saturday November 26, 2022 @04:20PM (#33756868)
I do the school run (3 hilly miles each way) seven times a week on an e-bike - a Tern GSD. It’s fine. Our kid loves it and so do his friends (we share lifts). We do have a car but I haven’t driven it since August.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by noirbot on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:31PM (#33755241)
Waterproof bags have existed for centuries - waxed fabrics, well-treated leathers, and I'm sure plenty of more modern textiles. Or just put a plastic/metal box on the side/back of your bike and use it exactly like you do the trunk in your plastic/metal box of a car.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by fulafel on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:13PM (#33755092)
Waterproof bike panniers are pretty standard.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Xylakant on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:58PM (#33756053)
Waterproof bags or backpacks are absolutely common for electronics. Alternatively, you can buy simple rain covers for backpacks. Bike panniers are at least somewhat water resistant unless you opt for the cheapest. That’s really one of the easiest things to solve.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by thiht on Saturday November 26, 2022 @03:54PM (#33756632)
> let's buy a car and fuck the planet

There’s currently football matches being played in Qatar in stadiums with AC set to 20°C in 32°C weather. Thousands of people have travelled there by plane.

Me having a car is fine.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lm28469 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @06:37PM (#33758158)
The two aren't mutually exclusive
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by thiht on Sunday November 27, 2022 @10:21AM (#33763482)
Yeah they kinda are. Scales matter. I know the « A not as bad as B » fallacy and in my opinion it falls short when A is completely negligible compared to B, because it’s not a fallacy anymore, it’s just reality.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by nephanth on Saturday November 26, 2022 @08:04PM (#33758889)
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by thiht on Sunday November 27, 2022 @10:26AM (#33763515)
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Using fallacies to invalidate arguments should be a fallacy by itself. Maybe my argument is a fallacy logically speaking, but in the real world, not everything is ruled by formal logic. If A is completely negligible compared to B, the « A not as bad as B » fallacy doesn’t apply anymore.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by nephanth on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:47AM (#33798390)
Of course it still does.

To me, your argument sounds pretty much the same as "The us dropped a nuke on Hiroshima. Me throwing a molotov at my neighbor is fine."

Sure that molotov is negligible in front of B. Doesn't make it okay

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by thiht on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:00PM (#33803607)
A more proper equivalent would be me throwing a molotov on hiroshima the day after the nuke impact. Same victim.

The atmosphere is global, there's no Qatar's atmosphere and my neighbor's atmosphere

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Xylakant on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:34PM (#33754730)
I go to work by e-bike. I have a pair of rain pants that I pull over my regular pants, and a rainproof jacket. I wear glasses, but my helmet has a visor. Would a car keep me drier? Yes, absolutely, but I’d still need to walk from parking lot to office, and I’d be stuck with all the other folks in traffic.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:03PM (#33755015)
> but I’d still need to walk from parking lot to office

FWIW, this is effectively solved by an umbrella.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Xylakant on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:42PM (#33755927)
Yes, or a rain jacket. But trousers still get wet if it’s a bit windy. And then I’m back to square one, or at least close to.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by yafbum on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:37PM (#33755297)
What do you do about shoes in rain?
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by johnisgood on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:02PM (#33755535)
What do you mean? You wear boots or whatever you want to call them, not sneakers.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Xylakant on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:41PM (#33755918)
Waterproof boots or neoprene overshoes. I’ve also seen people with rain trousers that cover the shoes.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by dghlsakjg on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:48PM (#33755976)
You can buy rain covers for your shoes, or just do whatever it is you do when you walk outside in the rain.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by yafbum on Sunday November 27, 2022 @05:46PM (#33767820)
Ok good tip. Just to clarify. When I drive garage to garage, as many people do, I don't walk in the rain. When I do walk in the rain, I carry an umbrella, and that doesn't work on a bike
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by wreath on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:32PM (#33754712)
Or worse, sweaty and smelly. Be friendly to your colleagues
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by johnisgood on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:38PM (#33754758)
Wear appropriate clothes. Do not wear Converse sneakers when it is raining outside (or alternatively, have a pair of shoes at the workplace that you switch to once you are in, or whatever). Take a shower before work. Apply a deodorant, or an antiperspirant (the latter has different instructions, you apply them after shower, before sleep, and wash it off in the morning).
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by simlevesque on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:42PM (#33754792)
I have a shoes dryer in my office for this reason.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Beltalowda on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:37PM (#33755300)
I've cycled and driven mopeds in some pretty serious rains (including tropical monsoon downpours), and the right preparation makes all the difference. Being "stuck" on a two-wheeler during unexpected rainfall is definitely a big bummer, but a good raincoat or poncho makes all the difference, and you tend to come out reasonable dry at the end of it.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by to11mtm on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:23PM (#33755183)
There's some conditions that riding a bike are far less safe than a car. [0]

I've had interest in an e-bike in the past, the problem I personally run into is that I'd still need a car for most trips due to the way my region is laid out. (I think I had -one- job where an e-bike was viable for a commute range-wise, but only based on published specs which probably wouldn't fit the real use thermals of my region.) [1] Speaking of, the 'too cold' argument holds a bit more water for e-bikes; I doubt many have the thermal protections of a BEV, which could lead to a destroyed pack.

Also, IDK what it's like in other parts of the world, but in the US much of the population sees decent bicycles as a 'hobby/sport' rather than a mode of transport.

Personally I blame big box stores and terrible, cheap, 'disposable' bicycles. Aside from having cheap, unreliable, unsafe components (my favorite: I was fixing one of these, while trying to run through the gears, the grip shifter broke in such a way it shot a plastic shard at my eye,) they are at time assembled by people that are paid based on production rather than hourly. [2]

Bike shops, as a result, tend to cater to either the MB hobbyist or the Road folks. (At least in my region.) To be clear many of these are good reputable shops, but it means that oftentimes the items you would want to make daily riding practical (i.e. the right racks/bags for a reasonable grocery trip, are at best special order.)

Honestly?

If someone wanted to really give e-bikes a spiffy image in the US, I know exactly what to do. Take two Sun EZ Classics [3] and the SxS kit [4]. I also know at one point they made a middle 'rumble' seat as well as a special drape shroud for the SxS [5]. Redesign the SxS kit with an 'E-Motor' option (I'm not sure whether you could get by with just one or if dual would be required.)

Bam. You have a comfortable e-bike that has some protection from the elements and has some room for crap in the back like groceries/etc. Additionally, you have the ability to have a 'passenger'. I'm -guessing- in volume you could sell the finished product for ~2000-3000 USD, but that would assume that you are doing enough volume to make it worth it to all involved parties. (Why the wide swing? Last I knew the SxS kit was done by a small, low-volume shop, making it almost as much as one of the bikes.)

[0] - To be clear, safety is different than comfort/ease of ride. I've ridden through 3 inches of snow, and while it was a grueling ride, It was honestly safer than a typical ride due to everyone's reduced speeds. OTOH I've had times where there was no snow but enough (black) ice on the roads/sidewalks that snap physics calculations became important.

[1] - As we have observed with BEVs and the like, cold weather has a pretty big impact on battery efficiency. Even in my Hybrid I can see a 5%-10% fuel economy difference between 28F and 40F

[2] - At least, that's what happened at some of the stores around here. They would essentially abuse a system where infirm people can be paid less than minimum wage, by an 'output' system compared to how much a normal hourly worker would produce (easily rigged with the right person as a 'benchmark', of course.)

[3] - https://www.sunseeker.bike/index.php/products/ez-classic-sx/

[4] - https://www.sunseeker.bike/index.php/products/ez-classic-sid...

[5] - We actually did one of these full setups at the shop once for a family that had a child who had physiological/mental developmental issues but loved the feeling of riding. He could pedal when he wanted to. Them picking it up was the happiest sight in the world. Things you miss about working at a simple bike shop I guess.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by tejohnso on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:32PM (#33755252)
My problem is the lack of infrastructure. We have a few streets in the entire city with decent bike lanes. Mostly you're on the road with cars going 90km/hr right beside you with no barrier or even road markings. I'm not going to do that in anything but perfect weather and even then not very often.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by unglaublich on Saturday November 26, 2022 @03:04PM (#33756111)
That's a perfect example of how we have allowed cars to endanger the public space. We all live in a constant fear to be hurt or killed by a motorist: watch both sides, do it again, are you _very_, _very_ certain? Then attempt to cross a street. And STILL 35.000 people die every DAY worldwide in traffic accidents. It's dystopian.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lormayna on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:39PM (#33755321)
> too hot, too cold

Ami don't have air conditioning or heating systems.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by oxfeed65261 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @10:42PM (#33760074)
According to the article, the base-spec model Ami has a heater and a “demister” but not A/C.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by kwhitefoot on Sunday November 27, 2022 @05:01AM (#33761786)
It has heating but not cooling.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by rich_sasha on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:36PM (#33755845)
I'm a keen cyclist but I still don't much enjoy cycling in moderate/heavy rain.

Cold I don't mind.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by MonaroVXR on Saturday November 26, 2022 @05:28PM (#33757479)
Agreed, the amount excuses that people have. I'm not talking about HN itself. Is too much.