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Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by thiht on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:27PM (#33754660)
Except when you go to work and have to spend the day with your pants and shoes drenched. And if you have glasses, you quickly can't see anything.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lm28469 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:39PM (#33754760)
You can own multiple pair of shoes, and even have one stay at the office, same for pants. I do it and I don't feel like I'm having a miserable existence

But fuck it, let's buy a car and fuck the planet, that's much more convenient, god forbid we sweat or touch the rain, oh the horror !

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by throwaway0x7E6 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:50PM (#33754880)
Yes.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:02PM (#33755003)
> You can own multiple pair of shoes, and even have one stay at the office, same for pants.

This hints at another counterpoint: it's not just yourself you have to protect from elements, but also whatever it is you want to transport with you. Like those extra shoes. Or electronics. Or groceries. Etc.

Waterproof bags probably exist, but I can't say I've seen them available, or used, by anyone at all.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Beltalowda on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:39PM (#33755323)
> Waterproof bags probably exist, but I can't say I've seen them available, or used, by anyone at all.

What? Almost all non-cheap backpacks are water-proof. Water-proof packs are around everywhere.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by dghlsakjg on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:28PM (#33755777)
Right? I think that I would have to try to find a bike pannier that ISN’T waterproof.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 26, 2022 @07:25PM (#33758596)
I honestly never owned one in my life, nor I believe I ever seen one. Note that by "waterproof" I mean something I could stuff a laptop into and have it survive half an hour of heavy rain in it. Not something that will resist a small drizzle for few minutes before its inside surfaces start to get wet.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by JodieBenitez on Monday November 28, 2022 @09:40AM (#33774121)
Where I live a pair of detachable waterproof (yes, you can literally take a 1 hour shower with them) bike bags is about 30$.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lm28469 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:11PM (#33755080)
I must live a very peculiar life then. All I need is a backpack and a rain coat, it's been 7 years or so and I haven't experienced anything life changing so far

I get on my bike, go to the store, office, friends, &c. rain, snow, sun, wind, it won't kill you really

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by yafbum on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:36PM (#33755292)
Let me guess

No kids?

What you described was my bike centric life as well until it wasn't.

When you have to do school drop-off a couple miles away for middle schoolers, or do that weekly store run for a family, it gets a bit trickier on the bike.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Xylakant on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:50PM (#33755993)
I have kids. They’re sitting happily in the dry under the canopy. It’s great. Wherever I need to drop them off, childcare, sports, friends, I park right in front. Predictable travel times, no stuck in traffic. My long term cycling average speed is on par with the average car speed in Berlin. Sure, on some distances I loose vs. a car, but on others I win, since I can take shortcuts or pass cars stuck in traffic.

Bike packs 100kg of stuff or a large shopping trolley in volume. Works for the weekly shopping without issue.

The only time it sucks is ice on the road. Snow is fine, but ice is not - because bike lanes get treated like third class infrastructure, worse than pavements.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Doctor_Fegg on Saturday November 26, 2022 @04:20PM (#33756868)
I do the school run (3 hilly miles each way) seven times a week on an e-bike - a Tern GSD. It’s fine. Our kid loves it and so do his friends (we share lifts). We do have a car but I haven’t driven it since August.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by noirbot on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:31PM (#33755241)
Waterproof bags have existed for centuries - waxed fabrics, well-treated leathers, and I'm sure plenty of more modern textiles. Or just put a plastic/metal box on the side/back of your bike and use it exactly like you do the trunk in your plastic/metal box of a car.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by fulafel on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:13PM (#33755092)
Waterproof bike panniers are pretty standard.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Xylakant on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:58PM (#33756053)
Waterproof bags or backpacks are absolutely common for electronics. Alternatively, you can buy simple rain covers for backpacks. Bike panniers are at least somewhat water resistant unless you opt for the cheapest. That’s really one of the easiest things to solve.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by thiht on Saturday November 26, 2022 @03:54PM (#33756632)
> let's buy a car and fuck the planet

There’s currently football matches being played in Qatar in stadiums with AC set to 20°C in 32°C weather. Thousands of people have travelled there by plane.

Me having a car is fine.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by lm28469 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @06:37PM (#33758158)
The two aren't mutually exclusive
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by thiht on Sunday November 27, 2022 @10:21AM (#33763482)
Yeah they kinda are. Scales matter. I know the « A not as bad as B » fallacy and in my opinion it falls short when A is completely negligible compared to B, because it’s not a fallacy anymore, it’s just reality.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by nephanth on Saturday November 26, 2022 @08:04PM (#33758889)
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by thiht on Sunday November 27, 2022 @10:26AM (#33763515)
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Using fallacies to invalidate arguments should be a fallacy by itself. Maybe my argument is a fallacy logically speaking, but in the real world, not everything is ruled by formal logic. If A is completely negligible compared to B, the « A not as bad as B » fallacy doesn’t apply anymore.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by nephanth on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:47AM (#33798390)
Of course it still does.

To me, your argument sounds pretty much the same as "The us dropped a nuke on Hiroshima. Me throwing a molotov at my neighbor is fine."

Sure that molotov is negligible in front of B. Doesn't make it okay

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by thiht on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:00PM (#33803607)
A more proper equivalent would be me throwing a molotov on hiroshima the day after the nuke impact. Same victim.

The atmosphere is global, there's no Qatar's atmosphere and my neighbor's atmosphere

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Xylakant on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:34PM (#33754730)
I go to work by e-bike. I have a pair of rain pants that I pull over my regular pants, and a rainproof jacket. I wear glasses, but my helmet has a visor. Would a car keep me drier? Yes, absolutely, but I’d still need to walk from parking lot to office, and I’d be stuck with all the other folks in traffic.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:03PM (#33755015)
> but I’d still need to walk from parking lot to office

FWIW, this is effectively solved by an umbrella.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Xylakant on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:42PM (#33755927)
Yes, or a rain jacket. But trousers still get wet if it’s a bit windy. And then I’m back to square one, or at least close to.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by yafbum on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:37PM (#33755297)
What do you do about shoes in rain?
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by johnisgood on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:02PM (#33755535)
What do you mean? You wear boots or whatever you want to call them, not sneakers.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Xylakant on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:41PM (#33755918)
Waterproof boots or neoprene overshoes. I’ve also seen people with rain trousers that cover the shoes.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by dghlsakjg on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:48PM (#33755976)
You can buy rain covers for your shoes, or just do whatever it is you do when you walk outside in the rain.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by yafbum on Sunday November 27, 2022 @05:46PM (#33767820)
Ok good tip. Just to clarify. When I drive garage to garage, as many people do, I don't walk in the rain. When I do walk in the rain, I carry an umbrella, and that doesn't work on a bike
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by wreath on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:32PM (#33754712)
Or worse, sweaty and smelly. Be friendly to your colleagues
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by johnisgood on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:38PM (#33754758)
Wear appropriate clothes. Do not wear Converse sneakers when it is raining outside (or alternatively, have a pair of shoes at the workplace that you switch to once you are in, or whatever). Take a shower before work. Apply a deodorant, or an antiperspirant (the latter has different instructions, you apply them after shower, before sleep, and wash it off in the morning).
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by simlevesque on Saturday November 26, 2022 @12:42PM (#33754792)
I have a shoes dryer in my office for this reason.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by Beltalowda on Saturday November 26, 2022 @01:37PM (#33755300)
I've cycled and driven mopeds in some pretty serious rains (including tropical monsoon downpours), and the right preparation makes all the difference. Being "stuck" on a two-wheeler during unexpected rainfall is definitely a big bummer, but a good raincoat or poncho makes all the difference, and you tend to come out reasonable dry at the end of it.