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Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by wbharding on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:01AM (#33191074)
Between Obsidian, Roam, Amplenote, and Reflect it has certainly been a golden age for note taking over the last few years. It's hard to remember that it was only 5 years ago that second generation note apps like Evernote, Notion and Bear were the only viable options unless you wanted a 1st gen app like OneNote or Workflowy.

What might be most interesting about the new set of fast moving note apps is that all seem to be built by teams of 3 or less people. Obsidian seems to have ascended to the top of the heap with a team of three and no apparent VC funding. Anyone that roots for small companies and passionate programmers should appreciate Obsidian proving that the best tools don't have to be built by the biggest teams. More the opposite.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by rjzzleep on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:39AM (#33191621)
I'd love to use obsidian, but the mobile app does not allow specifying the folder. As a result on iOS you can only use the official syncing method. Maybe it's so you pay for the app, but I would personally rather pay a few for that functionality.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by shakezula on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:43AM (#33191682)
Uh, this can’t be true cause I have my Obsidian mobile vault set to my iCloud and use that for syncing and backup and it works pretty much perfectly.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by fnoof on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:26AM (#33192332)
It allows iCloud or obsidian syncing. I tried to set it up with Dropbox because I didn’t trust iClouds conflict resolution and couldn’t get it to work.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by nvrspyx on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:38AM (#33192481)
I think that's a limitation of the Files API. In the least, I've yet to come across an app that allows syncing with third-party storage apps through Files. I've only seen one-way saving or using the file picker to retrieve a file.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by poglet on Friday October 14, 2022 @02:03AM (#33200137)
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/keepassium-keepass-passwords/i...

In the app description:

"KeePassium can work both offline and with your favorite cloud provider.

There is no setup: pick your database through the familiar Files interface — and that's it. By integrating with the Files app, KeePassium supports almost all storage providers, including..."

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by nvrspyx on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:00AM (#33234436)
Interesting. I don't have a chance to mess with the app, but I wonder if it works because it's syncing individual kdbx files that the user gives access to one at a time rather than a whole directory (including subdirectories). Logseq and Obsidian, for example, would require syncing an entire directory along with subdirectories. My assumption is that they work with iCloud because they're given their own app-specific folder to do as they wish.

If that is the limitation, I wonder if they could get around that by using some type of bundle or archive. Regardless, thanks for the additional information.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by LordDragonfang on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:29PM (#33193246)
I can't vouch for it because I don't have any iOS devices new enough to support it, but supposedly you can also set it up to sync via git:

https://forum.obsidian.md/t/mobile-setting-up-ios-git-based-...

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by nvrspyx on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:40PM (#33193413)
One thing to note is that this requires manually pulling and pushing in Working Copy as well as paying to unlock pro features ($20 one-time payment) to push to a remote repository.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by lambdas on Thursday October 13, 2022 @01:00PM (#33193687)
You can just save to a folder on your iOS device and push/pull changes with the app “working copy”, which is a full gift client. It costs a pretty penny though.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by bostonvaulter2 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @02:52PM (#33194933)
This is due to an iOS limitation. On android you can pretty much use whatever syncing method you like (such as Syncthing)
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by kzisme on Thursday October 13, 2022 @03:13PM (#33195210)
This is one of my main gripes with iOS. Even with folder/app/device specific folders it's a massive headache.

As you mentioned Syncthing works flawlessly as well as other methods on Android.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by barbazoo on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:30AM (#33192375)
Just checked and that's the first thing I'm asked to do on the Android app. Maybe it only works when creating a vault?
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by LordDragonfang on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:40PM (#33193407)
Android is different (i.e. better) than iOS in this regard, since it has much more robust filesystem support. You can easily use git syncing via termux:

https://forum.obsidian.md/t/guide-using-git-to-sync-your-obs...

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by teilo on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:52AM (#33192704)
I've been using iCloud sync with Obsidian for a year, and it has worked perfectly. Correct, you don't get to put your folder anywhere you want. It has to be in iCloud Drive, but so what?
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by MSFT_Edging on Thursday October 13, 2022 @01:07PM (#33193756)
If you only use it on a single ios device, it screws up your whole syncing method. Google drive/dropbox works on every other platform seamlessly.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by teilo on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:46PM (#33208627)
If you need to sync it to anything non-Apple, then yes. If you don't, then iCloud Drive is just fine.

In my case, Obsidian syncs just fine between my laptop, iPad, and iPhone. I use Sync.com for everything else.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by DMell on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:58AM (#33192802)
You can use it with any cloud storage - iCloud, Dropbox, etc.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by scubbo on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:07PM (#33192920)
This is presumably a limitation of the iOS client, as I've certainly been able to store my vault in a Dropbox folder and sync it to my Android device with DropSync.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by rjzzleep on Thursday October 13, 2022 @08:11PM (#33198149)
Is this a common theme on HN that when something is a negative critique of a product people love, people hysterically act like they were personally attacked instead of trying to research the problem?

The iOS client does not allow choosing the folder. You can specify either icloud sync or not, but you cannot select a folder.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ObsidianMD/comments/s4kw0k/set_fold...

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by wscott on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @08:41PM (#33256017)
I ended up paying $20 for the 'working copy' git iOS app and then setup an iOS shortcut to sync my repository to a private github repo. So everything is manual when I click the button for the shortcut it syncs.

On the desktop the git extension does the same thing, but is automatic. Conflict resolution is as detailed and I want.

Yeah lots of non-opensource components in that flow, but it works well and is perfectly happy when I am totally offline.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by Vrondi on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:08AM (#33191160)
I'm still waiting on one of these upstarts to implement the most essential features of the "first gen" apps, like inking/handwriting.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by tryptophan on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:56AM (#33191872)
Not everyone considers that essential.

I had onenote once, realized my handwriting was shit, and never tried to hand write notes again.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by carlhjerpe on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:17AM (#33192206)
Handwriting I find completely useless, but drawing on a display can be quite OK even for me
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by angryasian on Thursday October 13, 2022 @01:30PM (#33194049)
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by whimsicalism on Thursday October 13, 2022 @02:47PM (#33194864)
Unfortunately, I find the delay unacceptably high with this extension compared to first class support from apps like Goodnotes, Onenote and Apple Notes.

Still love Obsidian - just wish drawing on it was a viable option.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by gyrovagueGeist on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:09PM (#33198849)
Yep, Obsidian's latex support makes it almost ideal for writing math notes.. but because you can't quickly drop in quick sketches from a stylus (something like the Bear notes app.. which misses too many other features) it kills Obsidian for this usecase :(
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by bostonvaulter2 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @02:49PM (#33194902)
That's a great plugin! It even lets you create links to docs from within the drawing. And you can embed one part of a drawing in one note and another part in a different note. I also highly recommend checking out the creator's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/VisualPKM
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by sanshugoel on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:44AM (#33192573)
There is one in Apple ecosystem. That is called Muse
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by gumby on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:33PM (#33193308)
Thanks!
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by AB1908 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:30AM (#33191484)
There's an excalidraw plugin that helps with this to a degree.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by monkmartinez on Thursday October 13, 2022 @01:27PM (#33194008)
This plugin misses mark big time. I tried it and tried it again. Trying to love it... just couldn't compare with OneNote.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by whimsicalism on Thursday October 13, 2022 @02:48PM (#33194877)
Likewise. I love Obsidian, I love my Apple Pencil - and the Excalidraw plugin just does not get me there, unfortunately.

Goodnotes, Apple notes, and OneNote still leagues better for Apple Pencil support.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by bostonvaulter2 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @02:51PM (#33194918)
I absolutely love this plugin. But I'm probably using quite differently from you since I barely use the pencil/draw tool at all.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by Ruq on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:19PM (#33193105)
Try the "Excalidraw" Plugin for Obsidian.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by HellsMaddy on Thursday October 13, 2022 @04:10PM (#33195912)
I think the Excalidraw plugin solves a different problem. It’s great for creating diagrams, especially with a keyboard+mouse. What I’m looking for, though, is something like Apple Notes on iPad, where you can seamlessly write in your notes with your Apple Pencil. The Excalidraw plugin adds a lot of friction and complexity if all you want to do is write.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by Mezzie on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:26PM (#33193198)
This is one reason I can't stop using Goodnotes with an Apple Pencil: I like to handwrite. It's particularly helpful when I'm taking notes in multiple languages; switching keyboards every time I want to write a word in another language is a pain.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by brimwats on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:30PM (#33193258)
Excalidraw works pretty well in obsidian. I didn't like it the first time but I'm increasingly getting used to it
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by whimsicalism on Thursday October 13, 2022 @02:48PM (#33194885)
What's your secret? I find it... icky (maybe too long of a delay?) compared to Goodnotes.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by yellow_postit on Thursday October 13, 2022 @01:21PM (#33193941)
This is what keeps me coming back to apps like OneNote or Apples Notes. Obsidian and their ilk, for me, just encourage endless bike shedding and metrics that get in the way of the job to be done — taking and finding notes.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by phlakaton on Thursday October 13, 2022 @02:59PM (#33195031)
FWIW I only use Obsidian for note-taking, not metrics or graph views or bike-shedding. Markdown with two-way links and the occasional image, code snippet, or Mermaid diagram. Doesn't need to be more complicated than that!
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by mcluck on Thursday October 13, 2022 @04:44PM (#33196250)
Adding my voice to the cacophony. I don't use Obsidian but I do use Foam in VS Code. Daily notes and wikilinks is all I need. I've toyed with adding more metadata but it's just not worth the maintenance cost
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by BeFlatXIII on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:48PM (#33193514)
It’s not often that I see a mention of Workflowy in the wild. I know there is better out there, but Workflowy and Apple Notes are the ones I already use and I’m unsure whether the others are better enough to be worth the switching costs.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by whimsicalism on Thursday October 13, 2022 @02:49PM (#33194894)
I find with extensions I can basically replicate the Workflowy experience in Obsidian.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by boundlessdreamz on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:00AM (#33200805)
Which extensions are you using for that?
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by whimsicalism on Friday October 14, 2022 @12:58PM (#33206077)
outliner?
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by whimsicalism on Friday October 14, 2022 @02:51PM (#33207389)
Granted it might not be as good as the original depending on how deep your notes go.

I know that the team behind Obsidian also created dynalist which iirc is a workflowy competitor.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by ilrwbwrkhv on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:13PM (#33198877)
I still use workflowy till this day.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by rayiner on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:57PM (#33193650)
Seems more like a dark age. Obsidian makes the fans on my 4 ghz laptop go crazy. And in some ways (integration with email and tasks) it has less functionality than One Note 2010. And Obsidian has a PDF view and PDF annotations, but you can’t search in it?

I’m using Org mode with emacs just so I can have cross references into PDFs and emails in my notes.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by angryasian on Thursday October 13, 2022 @01:30PM (#33194043)
I'm not sure about the issues with your computer, but there are a ton of plugins for tasks and boards. What type of email integration are you looking for ?
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by monkmartinez on Thursday October 13, 2022 @02:35PM (#33194735)
There is very little criticism of Obsidian here, but you definitely pointed a few out. I am a OneNote user and Obsidian doesn't really compare to OneNote. If you read a lot of papers, you can have OneNote OCR the text and make it searchable.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by coffeeling on Thursday October 13, 2022 @07:01PM (#33197597)
OneNote's PDF support isn't really for PDFs, though. It just literally prints the PDF as images onto a OneNote page and OCRs it. Makes for a really heavy page and none of the normal PDF amenities like doing highlighting within the file itself.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by InitialLastName on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:51PM (#33199445)
It's strange how inconsistent Microsoft's PDF support is... Edge is essentially the best-in-class PDF markup app on Windows, but OneNote PDF support is soul-crushingly rudimentary.

I guess expecting consistency from the org with 3+ mutually incompatible video call apps and 5 volume control panels was always a fool's errand, though.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by wiennat on Friday October 14, 2022 @12:24AM (#33199608)
I guess it is because Edge is using the one that comes with Chrome while OneNote has its own implementation.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by juki on Friday October 14, 2022 @02:50AM (#33200360)
> I guess it is because Edge is using the one that comes with Chrome

Is it? As far as I can tell, Chrome just has a plain PDF viewer with none of the annotation/highlighting/commenting/read-aloud features that Edge has.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by InitialLastName on Friday October 14, 2022 @08:41AM (#33202754)
No, the Edge PDF viewer has a much larger feature set than the Chrome viewer (although, I think sometimes for reasons I can't place PDFs opened with Edge do end up using the Chrome viewer instead of the Edge native viewer).
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by lenkite on Friday October 14, 2022 @12:47PM (#33205945)
I missed Old Edge EPub reader. It was the best.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by jamesholden on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:06AM (#33358663)
So, there is this tool: <https://pypi.org/project/ocrmypdf> OCRmyPDF adds an OCR text layer to scanned PDF files, allowing them to be searched or copy pasted.

This mentions cross-platform usage and seems simple. Is there some way to use this with Obsidian through a plugin? If so, please create a GitHub project and send us a link! :D

Just for reference, I found it with a list of a ton of other tools: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/301318/how-to-ocr-a...

I have messed around with Tesseract a bit, and at some point, I was able to turn a PDF into a text file. I was thinking of doing that and having them as markdown files which are tiny compared to the original. Then keep the Original elsewhere. I've been playing with another PDF system I'm not willing to give up on. :D

Point is, I think I can bring more dimension to my Obsidian or Markdown library by having 'txt' copies of pdfs. The search and tagging alone would be so handy.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by FirstLvR on Thursday October 13, 2022 @03:39PM (#33195561)
One note 2010 is the holy grail for me, nothing can beat that simplicity. Tho … the purple color stil bothers me

The fact runs super fast on any computer makes me wonder why did they downgrade into the current version which is absolute crap

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by quickthrower2 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @09:44PM (#33198714)
For personal notes I use Google docs. I want the experience to be a bit average so it becomes about the notes not the tool. I tried notion and most of my brain was going into notion. Once I had to upgrade to do something basic I left: I am jot against paying but I don’t think it is good enough a UX to pay for.

With Google docs 99% BPU (Brain Processing Unit) goes into writing the thing or searching or reading the thing. As it should be.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by csomar on Friday October 14, 2022 @12:12AM (#33199548)
I've been trying it for half an hour now. Processor didn't go over 1% usage. Are you sure it's not a plugin somewhere causing this?
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by prox on Thursday October 13, 2022 @01:17PM (#33193891)
I have been using scrivener as my note taking app. It’s actually made for writers and for researchers to make their work (books, essays) but as a note taker it’s very versatile.

https://www.literatureandlatte.com/

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by kstrauser on Thursday October 13, 2022 @02:45PM (#33194848)
I have Scrivener, but I've been using iA Writer much more for note taking. It has wiki links, decent-ish support for x-callback-url automation, and a dead simple filesystem layout that lets me write custom scripts for note mangling when I need to.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by lukewrites on Thursday October 13, 2022 @01:28PM (#33194025)
MacOS also has the FOSS app Notenik (https://notenik.app/)
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by samstave on Thursday October 13, 2022 @03:14PM (#33195218)
ELI5 What ever happened to Evernote?

because I have a thoughts been killing me in the back of my head:

Need a family version but self hosted + cloud which allows for an auto push of notes, pics and calander to your own thing..

basically a family planner.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by luckman212 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @03:34PM (#33195493)
TLDR- the founder quit, a bunch of suits took over, they gutted the dev team and put the app on life support for years. Bugs piled up and nobody could fix them so they outsourced to a new offshore team who rewrote the whole thing in Electron... which of course was waaay too little, way too late.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by samstave on Thursday October 13, 2022 @03:44PM (#33195612)
You sound like someone i need to talk to email via profile.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by throwaway675309 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @06:26PM (#33197278)
Remember the whole copy paste debacle where they literally couldn't figure out how to allow for pasting with formatting versus pasting without formatting?

That went on for practically a year until I finally just jumped ship and ported all of my notes into markdown.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by The5thElephant on Thursday October 13, 2022 @04:05PM (#33195860)
My issue is that it feels like none of these tools do anything significantly new, and are all so obsessed with wonky features like node-graph views and backlinks that are only useful to a niche audience of obsessive note-takers who in many cases seem to care more about playing with their notes than actually using or sharing them.

That's why I'm working on creating https://visible.page because I want a tool that isn't just for markdown organizational obsessives, but rather for organizing and visualizing ALL kinds of information the way regular people do. None of these tools handle things like dates, locations, numbers, and other data of various types well. With Visible if you add a date or a location to some content, that content is now accessible on a calendar and a map side by side with all the associated text and media you added to it as well. No worrying about what table column it goes into or what metadata row or plugin you need to render it well. Just add the location, and add a map view, boom done. Want more than one date associated with some content? Just add it, you don't have to figure out to add another "Date type" metadata section the way you do in Notion for example.

It is not offline first. It is not file based. It is not catered to the needs you see so often here on Hacker News but don't actually hear when talking to regular people who just want to plan a trip together or keep track of an apartment/house hunt without spreading information across a half-dozen tools.

Does no one else get frustrated that even Google can't show you a map of your week's upcoming event locations? That when you are doing research online you have to tediously copy and paste each address one-by-one into Google Maps and then copy an embed link for that into another tool, and even then the addresses are isolated with no relevant information like photos or notes attachable to them?

We have so many amazing internet powers that are simply unavailable in any of these note taking tools. I'm sorry but markdown and backlinks are boring. I want to see my information the way it was meant to be seen and in a way that my parents can understand it as well.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by duderific on Thursday October 13, 2022 @04:29PM (#33196100)
It sounds like you're going for a completely different type of user than those who like Obsidian. That said, I've signed up for your Beta rollout, as what you're building sounds appealing for my use case, that of a kind of family planner.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by The5thElephant on Thursday October 13, 2022 @04:36PM (#33196161)
Definitely targeting a different core user, although I think the simplicity and power that we will provide out-of-the-box may eventually sway some users caught in Obsidian/Roam land to try the Visible way.

Thank you for signing up for the beta, we will start rolling out invites soon! "Family planner" is exactly the kind of early user we want. Daily life involves so much information that goes beyond text, and we feel there should be a tool that can handle any information you throw at it in an elegant way without tediously configuring and managing it.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by dominotw on Thursday October 13, 2022 @05:50PM (#33196912)
> only useful to a niche audience of obsessive note-takers who in many cases seem to care more about playing with their notes than actually using or sharing them.

This describes me perfectly. I use obsidian to 'feel productive' but not actually do any work.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by The5thElephant on Thursday October 13, 2022 @06:46PM (#33197472)
I fall into the same trap. We want Visible to be somewhere you create pages that are genuinely useful, not just info dumps. Millions of young people now use Notion to organize their lives, but as you can see from their marketing page it is a tool catered towards business knowledge-bases and not the variety of awesome uses these people have jerry-rigged Notion into.

With just the map + calendar views alone you can address so many planning and tracking frustrations that simply aren't solved by the calendar invites and embedding Google maps into other information documents that we are limited to today.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by bccdee on Thursday October 13, 2022 @09:53PM (#33198772)
I was pretty invested in the "tools for thought" space for a little while, but my interest cooled as I realized that I was using zettelkasten tools like Logseq to try and recreate simple folders of documents, because as it turns out that's all I really needed to begin with. I use Obsidian, because wiki links can be handy from time to time, but my notes these days are mostly just plain markdown sorted into folders by topic, and that's plenty for me.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by pbronez on Thursday October 13, 2022 @06:11PM (#33197112)
Neat concept. What's the security story? The local-first architecture that Obsidian et al use is really valuable to me. In a world where everything lives on somebody else's server, I crave experiences that I can exercise some control over. Nothing hosted in the cloud feels private.
Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by The5thElephant on Thursday October 13, 2022 @06:43PM (#33197438)
I totally understand and sympathize with that feeling which is not uncommon here on Hacker News, but when I speak to the average internet user they do care about privacy, they just don't have the same anxiety over cloud services. We are following a similar path to Notion or Paper who have millions of users who trust that their data is secure, private, and accessible.

Also many features like realtime live collaboration are incredibly difficult to do with a local-first setup, but provides a user experience that lets Visible pages be useful for families, friends, and communities.

We do want to make your data fully available to you via export, and we don't view or use the data in your pages for anything. We have basic event-based analytics to see how people (anonymously) use Visible, but that's just at the level of button clicks and seeing how many pages people create on average.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by andreilys on Thursday October 13, 2022 @08:15PM (#33198186)
Notion or Paper who have millions of users who trust that their data is secure, private, and accessible

Until those services are inevitably hacked, as we've seen most of these companies play fast and loose with security.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by tomjakubowski on Thursday October 13, 2022 @07:45PM (#33197943)
A friend and I used Notion to plan an overseas trip. We had a table of potential places to visit (with cost, how long it might take, etc.). I was disappointed to find out that Notion had no way to render those locations on a map.

I'm also frustrated by the typical notes apps inability to store data in a way that it's convenient to retrieve. One example: I'd like to be able to just tag some string (think a UUID or other opaque thing) as a "blob" and then be able to click the "blob" just once to copy it to the clipboard, to be put into other tools.

Your app looks much more up my alley and I'll be signing up.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by dogline on Thursday October 13, 2022 @08:21PM (#33198225)
Are there _any_ ways to uniformly put a geolocation in a Markdown/note/txt file?

Seems like there should be a general answer for this, as sometimes I'd like to put a geolocation and notes in a file, and some uniform way to parse this later, whatever the tool.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by kepano on Thursday October 13, 2022 @08:53PM (#33198437)
There are two Obsidian plugins for this: Map View[0] and Leaflet[1]. You can store the geocoded locations using YAML frontmatter or Dataview inline fields.

[0]: https://github.com/esm7/obsidian-map-view

[1]: https://github.com/valentine195/obsidian-leaflet-plugin

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by andreilys on Thursday October 13, 2022 @08:13PM (#33198173)
I'm sorry but markdown and backlinks are boring

That is the intention. I don't want excitement with my note-taking, I want plain, boring, open-standards that will survive the test of time.

Chances are high that your startup will: 1) Fail 2) Get acquired and gets shut down 3) Aggressively monetize leading to poor UI/UX (i.e. Evernote)

The whole advantage of Obsidian is that it relies on an open format, and makes it easy to transition to a new platform

I want a system that I know 20 years from now I can still use (or can transition to a better one).

Maybe I'm in the minority but I've tried at least 10 different note taking apps over the last decade, and none of them have staying power because they all fall into the three issues I outlined above.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by least on Thursday October 13, 2022 @08:50PM (#33198423)
I personally want something that allows me to work with things spatially, to draw things, to dump a bunch of images into it, and move things around in at least a two dimensional space. I want to be able to embed maps, images, audio files, music, draw connections between them, move them around. This cannot be accomplished in plain text.

I think notes should use a database so it can effectively obfuscate data like the spatial relationships between objects in a note. An open specification and utilizing an open source database would be better. Plain text objects could still be used and easily exported, but you gain so much over simply plain text. Portability is important but it's not as important as having tools that meaningfully improve how you perform the task you're trying to accomplish.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by andreilys on Thursday October 13, 2022 @09:01PM (#33198482)
Portability is important but it's not as important as having tools that meaningfully improve how you perform the task you're trying to accomplish.

I'm sorry but until you've experienced a startup shutting down the product that you built your whole knowledge repo around, you won't really understand the need for portability.

I could care less about the shiny features, because I know that in 10 years this product will be defunct, while markdown will still exist.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by least on Thursday October 13, 2022 @09:25PM (#33198618)
> I'm sorry but until you've experienced a startup shutting down the product that you built your whole knowledge repo around, you won't really understand the need for portability.

It is not hard to understand why portability is important and I do not need to lose anything to empathize with people that have. I think it is important but it doesn't matter how important it is if the tool you're using to secure portability is insufficient for the task you're trying to accomplish. That is backwards thinking.

> I could care less about the shiny features, because I know that in 10 years this product will be defunct, while markdown will still exist.

I'm not speaking in favor for this person's startup, I'm speaking in favor for better tools for note taking, thinking, brainstorming, and managing knowledge. Plain text is not good enough, in my opinion. This is coming from someone who uses plain text for all those things because there isn't an existing adequate alternative. If plain text is genuinely suitable for your needs, that's great. I just really doubt that anyone that uses plain text can genuinely say that they aren't held back by the limitations of the format at least in some way.

Re:Show HN: Obsidian 1.0 – Personal knowledge base app by slightwinder on Friday October 14, 2022 @06:07AM (#33201571)
> I want to be able to embed maps, images, audio files, music, draw connections between them, move them around. This cannot be accomplished in plain text.

It can be accomplished in plain text, by hiding it behind a fancy interface. Which is exactly what Obsidian enables people to do with plugins. And with the new live-editor this allows a pretty well-made mix between plain text and rich content.