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Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by exitb on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @08:04AM (#33175712)
At 1/5th of speed of light the probes would cover 1AU in less than an hour, so the visit in the area would be extremely brief. Is there actually a way to get any meaningful data out of it? Or is it just so we can say that we've "been" there?
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by rthomas6 on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @08:07AM (#33175746)
I wonder if it could unfurl a light sail when it got most of the way there to slow it down. Is that feasible?
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by exitb on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @09:12AM (#33176417)
Interesting idea, but I don't think the sail would be nearly enough to counteract the gravitational acceleration caused by getting near the target system, let alone losing enough speed to enter an orbit.
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by KineticLensman on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @09:28AM (#33176660)
>> Each spacecraft would be the size of a DVD disc

Not much room for a light sail large enough to fully offset the power of the launch lasers.

Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by kadoban on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @10:20AM (#33177353)
In short: no. It'd need to slow down enough to counter-act years worth of a laser specifically making it go faster. Without a laser on the other end, really no shot.
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by SideburnsOfDoom on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @08:48AM (#33176127)
Regardless of travel speed, it would take a lot of energy to get matter or even any identifiable bits of data back from Alpha Centauri to here.

I don't see any discussion of how they propose to tackle that problem.

Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by ncmncm on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @09:06AM (#33176351)
It is never even hinted how any information could ever be communicated back to Earth.

It makes me think the whole project is not serious, like launching Voyager with no Deep Space Network to listen.

Are they hoping that over the 40 years it takes to get there, a solar-system-sized radio telescope would be built to listen? Even with that it is implausible.

Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by simonh on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @10:36AM (#33177625)
IIRC the idea is to send a chain of probes at regular intervals, and the probes would relay signals back along the chain.
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by ncmncm on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @11:14AM (#33178175)
So, even less plausible than a solar-system-sized radio telescope.
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by skykooler on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @11:33AM (#33178494)
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot#Laser_da..., the probes should be able to talk to a 30-meter telescope on earth using lasers. The data rates are very low, of course, but that can be handled by making sure the probe has enough storage for its few-hour-long transit of the system and then transmitting that back over the following months.
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by ncmncm on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @02:07PM (#33180706)
How do they get the laser out there? What powers it?
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by 0xf00ff00f on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @05:42PM (#33183859)
From https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2005/2005.08940.pdf

> The sailcraft transmits 100 Watts, deriving its power from a 700-Watt hydrogen beam that is normally incident on the sailcraft when it faces Earth. This hydrogen beam is simply a manifestation of the interstellar medium, incident on the sailcraft at 0.2 c.

From https://arxiv.org/pdf/1805.01306.pdf

> One way to tap the sailcraft’s kinetic energy could be via the interstellar medium: The Local Interstellar Cloud is primarily composed of 0.3 atoms/cm3 of partially ionized hydrogen. From the sailcraft’s perspective traveling at cruise velocity, this manifests as a monochromatic hydrogen beam that is incident from the direction of travel, having a combined kinetic energy of 55W m−2, or 0.7 kW over the sail’s area if it faces the direction of travel.

The report for Starlight suggests a RTG:

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/roadmap...

Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by ncmncm on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:38AM (#33191599)
So you are bombarded by a mix of relativistic hydrogen atoms, molecules, nuclei, and electrons. How do you extract energy from such an influx? Will extracting it slow you down much?

Actually it would vaporize any part of the system needed to control or communicate.

Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by UberFly on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @01:14PM (#33180024)
I was thinking the same thing. That part seems like an afterthought. The real interesting part is the laser propulsion.
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by Tepix on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @10:43AM (#33177719)
The answer is to send not one probe, but many (thousands).

If every probe manages to capture and transmit a couple dozen pictures while it is within the interesting range, it adds up.

Also these probes could use each other as relays if we send a long string of them towards one destination.

Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by ianai on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @11:17AM (#33178229)
Yeah. What I’d really like is proposals/discussion around intrastellar travel infrastructure like this. Park sources of light and coms at certain key locations around the solar system to enable faster traffic. Maybe hollow out some larger asteroids for habitats.
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by cee_el123 on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @11:26AM (#33178375)
as far as comms goes - nothing can speed it up - but yes the idea of using relays makes comms more reliable/repairable
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by ianai on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @11:30AM (#33178441)
Right, it’s not about speed but the message reliably getting there.
Re:Starlight (Interstellar Probe) by fallingknife on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @12:47PM (#33179607)
If you are able to determine orbital parameters of planets we'll enough, that would be more than enough time to get much better pictures of exoplanets than any telescope.