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Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by winternett on Thursday July 14, 2022 @09:45AM (#32096024)
So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it.

I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl and she rejects him, only to come back when he walks up to a (most likely rented) exotic car. In many of these cases, all of the people involved in the video are not authentic, but there's never disclaimer that the video is staged or a skit. Even car accidents, sad stories of addiction and mental illness, and stunts can all be staged to gain views as well.

I'm skeptical of everything I see online, been that way for a long time... Worst part is there is no real way to avoid that type of content, and that phony content often gets plastered across all the sites, and reposted for years too come, and even written about when it's exposed as fake, so there's no real way to avoid it, and there's no incentive for people to stop doing it because of the (negative) popularity it breeds for the people and companies that sponsor and create it.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by dylan604 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:45PM (#32099222)
>but there's never disclaimer that the video is staged or a skit.

This is where working in the entertainment industry has jaded me a bit. By default, I assume that if it captured on camera, it has been planned/staged/etc for the explicit purpose of being shown to people. With social media, I think it has been turned up to an 11 as everyone is trying to become social media famous. It takes a bit of convincing for me to believe that something is truly real at this point.

Due to the "inside baseball" knowledge of how fake everything is on film/TV, I find it sad that so so many people fall for thinking something is real and actually needs this kind of disclaimer.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by datavirtue on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:10PM (#32100280)
A huge swath of the population thinks life is a TV show. Not consciously, but in the back of their mind because they have spent so much time living through entertainment.

"To the Capital building...this should be fun!!" Hahaha....

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by dylan604 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:14PM (#32100321)
Or how the real houswives are really not acting or any reality tv show is not make-believe for entertainment purposes.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by wizofaus on Thursday July 14, 2022 @05:48PM (#32101861)
"By default, I assume that if it captured on camera, it has been planned/staged/etc for the explicit purpose of being shown to people" - I'm genuinely curious, you'd include much of the war footage that's come out of Ukraine recently? I've no doubt a certain amount of it is "stage managed" and carefully edited to come across on TV as strikingly as possible, but to imply that most of it (including secret-filmed footage of POWs being marched off and later shots of their bodies etc.) is staged for the explicit purpose of being shown is a big claim.

(Technically your initial claim is almost tautological, but I assume you meant "shown for purposes other to genuinely convey information about the real world")

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by dylan604 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @09:46PM (#32103680)
I feel like you're trying to add something to it that's not there. I never claimed that everything is fake that is out there, only that I assume it is until verified later. I don't consume social media, and the only time I see stuff is when people directly link to it. However, my personal position is that if it is coming out on social media first, in my mind it absolutely 100% gets flagged as potentially fake/needs verification. And if you think the Ukraine content isn't being PR managed by either side, then I think maybe you're their target audience.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by phkahler on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:39AM (#32096624)
>> Even car accidents...

I hate when a real car accident is attributed to a drunk driver when it was not. There are plenty of wrecked cars from actual drunk driving, you don't need to lie to get an example. Some people think their intentions justify their actions, even when their actions can accurately be described as "lie" or "cheat" or "for profit" or some other dishonest thing. This may be effective in many cases, but in others it discredits your efforts and perhaps even your cause.

Random acts of kindness DO happen, but are usually not captured on video.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by Mordisquitos on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:56AM (#32096844)
> Random acts of kindness DO happen, but are usually not captured on video.

Indeed. In fact, when the act is intentionally captured on video by its performer, not only is it already very debatable that it is an act of "kindness"... but it is also obviously NOT "random"!

(For the colloquial meaning of "random" of course)

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by gnicholas on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:57PM (#32099381)
> when the act is intentionally captured on video by its performer, not only is it already very debatable that it is an act of "kindness"... but it is also obviously NOT "random"!

I was about to propose to my girlfriend and was setting up my DSLR on a tripod to take photos via IR remote (she thought we were just going to take photos of us at sunset).

Then a guy came walking by and offered to take the photos for us. I demurred, but he said he had the exact same camera and knew how to use it. So I quietly told him what was about to go down, and he took a bunch of great photos of our engagement.

For at least a year after, my wife didn't believe that he wasn't a plant!

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by bshipp on Thursday July 14, 2022 @05:13PM (#32101531)
Usually you can tell a plant by their lack of opposable thumbs and green pallor.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by greyhair on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @07:55AM (#32150271)
This is one of those rare replies where I wish I could just dance away at the upvote. But I can't, so I'll leave this note instead. Thank you.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by Crespyl on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:03PM (#32104169)
That's only the obvious ones.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by carvking on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:33PM (#32099086)
You can make the case that it's not an "act of kindness" when your motive is self promotion and gratification.

Also giving someone flowers is quite a cheap kindness. Help somebody in need out. Or just go clean the streets. No good content clickbait video to be made of you picking up the trash ?

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by mjevans on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:41PM (#32099914)
If cynical enough, no act is selfless.

That phrase, to 'remove yourself from the equation' applies here too. That leads to a better 'test' and metric.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by datavirtue on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:13PM (#32100315)
'remove yourself from the equation'

The real definition of compassion.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by bbarnett on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:15PM (#32098837)
I recall a few years back, I was going to visit someone, and bought flowers.

Before I left, plans changed, so now I was in the mall parking lot, and had (to me) useless flowers. In the parking lot, I saw an older woman sitting in her car.

I walked up to her, proclaimed "surprise, flowers!", which she took, and I walked away.

It is sad to think that these days, it almost makes more sense to just throw them away, instead of giving a bit of unexpected joy to someone.

(the woman seemed surprised, and happy)

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by gambiting on Thursday July 14, 2022 @04:04PM (#32100843)
The difference is that you didn't use the opportunity to promote your brand on social media, nor did you trick her into holding the flowers for you just to disappear. I think the reaction would have been completely different if he did actually present those as a gift.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by bbarnett on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:18PM (#32104248)
Sure, but my point was, as a reply to the thread above, now people my be hesitant to receive such a gift as genuine.

Or give it, for fear of a negative response... the well is being poisoned.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:41PM (#32099915)
> Indeed. In fact, when the act is intentionally captured on video by its performer, not only is it already very debatable that it is an act of "kindness"

Only if you're going into the whole "every act is selfish" kind of thing.

> but it is also obviously NOT "random"! (For the colloquial meaning of "random" of course)

Why not? It only takes a few seconds to start filming.

If you mean having a camera person, that starts to get into the weeds, but it depends on how much planning there was and how it was done.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by gwd on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:48PM (#32100673)
“Watch out! Don’t do your good deeds publicly, to be admired by others, for you will lose the reward from your Father in heaven. When you give to someone in need, don’t do as the hypocrites do—blowing trumpets in the synagogues and streets to call attention to their acts of charity! I tell you the truth, they have received all the reward they will ever get. But when you give to someone in need, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. Give your gifts in private, and your Father, who sees everything, will reward you."

--Jesus

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by karaterobot on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:01PM (#32100138)
> Only if you're going into the whole "every act is selfish" kind of thing.

There are selfless acts of kindness, but this isn't one of them. There's no conflict there. He did it to make a video he could monetize on TikTok. It's his job. It's a really simple distinction.

> If you mean having a camera person, that starts to get into the weeds, but it depends on how much planning there was and how it was done.

If he went to that mall and bought flowers and picked a sympathetic-looking subject, with the intention of filming a video of himself doing it to upload to TikTok, it's not random. It's premeditated. I don't mean that in the legal sense, though it probably applies. I mean he thought about it in advance, so it's not "random".

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:32PM (#32100527)
> If he went to that mall and bought flowers and picked a sympathetic-looking subject, with the intention of filming a video of himself doing it to upload to TikTok, it's not random.

Okay but that goes way beyond the general-case statement I was responding to.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by alias_neo on Thursday July 14, 2022 @12:25PM (#32098113)
My wife and I, individually, and on various occasions over the years, have paid for random strangers' shopping.

We don't do social media, we don't even tell anybody, except for this one time, right now to support your point, so I think it's appropriate in this case.

We've told each other because we talk about our finances and it's reasonably to discuss why the grocery bill was double triple, etc what it would have been for what was brought home.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by teakettle42 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @12:39PM (#32098319)
Would you mind sharing how you do this without making it awkward for the recipient or a spectacle? I’ve never been able to work that part out.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by blix on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:07PM (#32098728)
If someone doesn't have enough cash to pay for the groceries they brought to checkout, it's already an awkward situation.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by elliekelly on Thursday July 14, 2022 @09:45PM (#32103672)
I'll never forget the kindness a stranger showed me at Logan airport the day before Thanksgiving. I was already cutting it kind of close to departure time and my boyfriend had gone ahead to board so I figured I had just enough time to duck into one of the shops to get a bottle of water for the flight. It wasn't until the clerk rang me up that I realized my wallet was in the bag my boyfriend had taken onto the plane for me! A remember frantically digging around in my purse for loose change (talk about desperation!) and even though I can usually bank on my purse having plenty of change floating around at the bottom airport water is expensive AF! I don't know why I didn't just walk away, panic of the moment, I guess? But finally a lovely woman behind me saved me from my desperate coin hunting when she stuck her arm out next to me with $5 in her hand and said "Happy Thanksgiving!" The awkwardness of not being able to pay was pretty uncomfortable but she really, truly, made my day!
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by mjevans on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:47PM (#32099978)
Some supermarkets have two output buffers after a checker, seems easy to offer to pay just as the person in front finishes or to wait around a little to pay for the next person.

You might also just pass 5 to 10 x 20 USD cash (or local equivalent) to the cashier and have that applied to the next person in line, and let them work out how to split any leftovers on their own.

I've never done either of those things myself, but I did feel horrid enough about our government during an extended shutdown over budget stuff to directly support the food bank with some 'staples' from Costco as well as a just outright cash donation back when that BS happened last.

Directly supporting the food bank is also an option that can help the even more needy.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by greyhair on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @08:15AM (#32150417)
My wife and I donate cash to the local food bank. Cash is actually more useful to them than food donations. Occasionally they have particular drives, generally for laundry and cleaning supplies. Those we buy outright.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by carvking on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:35PM (#32099125)
Yeah - it would be strange if someone offered to pay for my groceries, just because I was wearing old jeans looking depressed and worried because of the price of bitcoin.

But I think it's a good thing to do if you "hit" the correct "target".

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by autoexec on Thursday July 14, 2022 @05:50PM (#32101868)
I don't need strangers to pay for my groceries either, but I think if they did (assuming it wasn't for a social media stunt) I'd accept it gracefully and try to pay it forward somehow. Maybe offer to pay for the next person, or use the money I'd have spent to buy those prepared bags for food pantries some shops offer.

It's feels good to genuinely do something nice for another person and I wouldn't want to take that from them. It's also nice just knowing that not everyone in your community is only looking out for themselves. Might as well take the opportunity to do something for someone else

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by senojretep356 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @06:20PM (#32102112)
The issue is the social media bit. Someone paid for my groceries without filming it then yeah I'd just pay for the next persons.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by carvking on Saturday July 23, 2022 @02:36PM (#32206166)
Probably best to decline politely if you don't need it.

I've wanted to pay sometimes for people - but didn't have the courage... shame.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by alias_neo on Friday July 15, 2022 @04:22AM (#32105985)
For my wife and I, we usually keep it to situations where it's needed, we don't just offer any body, just because. My wife being a feminist and a mother will always "target" to help the single/young mothers, or older ladies etc.

I tend to just try help out those who are having trouble paying, regardless who they are, on the condition that if we're in a supermarket, their shop is a grocery shop on the whole; if they're buying £70 worth of spirits and nothing else, I'm probably not going to offer.

I work in central London, so sometimes a tourist will come into my local cash-only coffee shop just in front of me and not have cash, so I'll just offer to buy their coffees or whatever, though there are no cash-only coffee shops now since returning to the office after the pandemic, so it doesn't happen as often.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by senojretep356 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @06:17PM (#32102096)
Yeah this I go to the market in a hoodie and joggers, - looking as rough as hell. But if somebody paid for my groceries and was filming it all without my permission I'd be mad as hell. Aside from not needing others to pay for my groceries, it's an invasion of privacy.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by alias_neo on Friday July 15, 2022 @04:08AM (#32105886)
It's almost always that I'm behind them at the checkout/cashier.

If they're struggling, card declined etc, they're probably already frustrated, they might turn to me to apologise, that's my cue; I'll just say, "hey, can I get that for you?“. I remember the first time, a guy about my age just buying food, his card was declined, he had a little bit of cash so the cashier was having him figure out what to leave behind so he had enough to cover it. I just asked if I could get it all for him and he just asked, "why?", looking puzzled, I just said "why not?", and something along the lines of "you can pass on the favour one day", he accepted.

Other times its that the place doesn't take cards and they need to get cash, I'll just say, they can add it to my bill and I'll get it, if they don't mind.

Sometimes people decline, but usually I'm pretty good at judging when people would appreciate it so it's rarely awkward.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by buscoquadnary on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:12PM (#32098802)
For me I've done things like that unusually just leave my card with the cashier and circle back to pick it up after they've left.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by greyhair on Tuesday July 19, 2022 @08:10AM (#32150379)
When I was young, and broke, an old guy bought my lunch one day when I was traveling. He left before I even got the bill, but the waitress told me he was a regular, and he left a simple note. And the note said something along the lines of "I was once young like you, and I know how scarce money can be when you are young. I hope that when you are older, that won't be a problem for you, and that you will pass along the favor"

Which I have done on a couple occasions, including the note, so they understood my motivation. I am hoping that when they get old, they'll pass it on.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by jacquesm on Thursday July 14, 2022 @05:05PM (#32101447)
I've done this but only if the person has an obvious problem to pay for their shopping.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by okasaki on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:10PM (#32099532)
I think the most disturbing variant is where they put animals in dangerous situations (sometimes hurting them) and then "rescue" them.

There's a whole industry of this shit.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by hef19898 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:43PM (#32099932)
Like the dolphin calf that died over some selfies?
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by admax88qqq on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:40AM (#32096642)
It's interesting how you're complaining about so much content being staged. I much prefer that this type of content is staged. The alternative appears to be harassing random strangers like the case in the article.

With staged content the only victim is the duped audience who can always just not watch TikTok.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:48PM (#32099988)
I like watching dash cam videos. I would hate to see a staged one, and would complain loudly about it not being real. That doesn't mean I want more accidents and near-accidents, it means anyone faking a dash cam video should not submit anything at all.

If you want to do a skit, make a skit.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by dwringer on Thursday July 14, 2022 @04:09PM (#32100875)
This reminds me of the film Nightcrawler.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by autoexec on Thursday July 14, 2022 @05:54PM (#32101913)
I don't think the videos being staged is the issue, it's that they are staged without disclosure. We want to be entertained, but not lied to. A sitcom or summer blockbuster is a lie too, but we're all pretty clear about that going in. I think reality TV and cable news regularly crosses that line though.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by tsol on Thursday July 14, 2022 @12:50PM (#32098480)
Well I think his issue is that the staged stuff(that pretends it isn't staged) leads to people trying to copycat the format and do it unstaged
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by admax88qqq on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:16PM (#32099599)
Maybe but most people complain about staged stuff for not being "real."
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by djmips on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:40PM (#32104038)
And in this case it was 'staged' but involved a random victim.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by btilly on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:22AM (#32096415)
The staged stuff doesn't bother me as much as the dangerous stuff:

https://www.fastcompany.com/90287323/people-are-falling-off-...

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by AlexandrB on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:19AM (#32097127)
> A British YouTuber named Jay Swingler performed a dangerous stunt about a year ago. He placed a plastic bag with a breathing tube over his head, then “glued” his head to the inside of a microwave oven with expanding plaster. The plaster set, and Swingler couldn’t get his head out of the microwave. It took a team of paramedics to set him free.

Wow.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by phs318u on Thursday July 14, 2022 @06:28PM (#32102165)
The Darwin Awards - now an 8 part docu-series on YouTube Premium.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by winternett on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:17AM (#32097094)
People get pushed to the brink in desperation after years of posting but not being noticed... It's tragic, but to be honest, a lot of the people that end up dying in an accident for doing dumb things would possibly be even more destructive if they succeeded each time.

Not everyone is cut out to be an entertainer, influencer, or celebrity. The problem in our current world is that social platforms are encouraging everyone to quit their job to be those types of entertainers (while not paying the very same people), and it's not a realistic model for success, and quite possibly very harmful to the world's future and to mental health.

It has happened in the past, Evel Knievel was one of the most popular incidents of someone sacrificing themselves to entertain others well prior to the "like and follow" era.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by robotnikman on Thursday July 14, 2022 @12:24PM (#32098103)
I'm reminded of the song 'Creature Comfort' by Arcade Fire

"God, make me famous. If you can't, just make it painless"

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by branon on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:39AM (#32096626)
Natural selection at work.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by autoexec on Thursday July 14, 2022 @06:01PM (#32101981)
I kind of agree. Stupid people doing dangerous things for "likes" usually deserve what they get, but it's not as if there aren't external costs they force on the rest of us for their idiocy. The 911 dispatcher whose line is tied up, the paramedic who has to scrape some dumb kid off the sidewalk, the doctors who'll do their best to save whatever's left, or any innocent bystanders caught up in the mess these people make. It's certainly behavior we'd be better off discouraging.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by oasisbob on Thursday July 14, 2022 @12:10PM (#32097907)
If you're implying social Darwinism being an expected natural consequence, you may want to research the history and abuses of the idea before accepting it and throwing it around so glibly.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by supercheetah on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:38PM (#32100585)
Not even close to the same thing. Someone doing something to themselves that puts themselves in mortal danger isn't anywhere on the same level as wanting to eliminate an entire group of people based on some arbitrary attribute.

They should definitely be warned, and perhaps be put into therapy with a professional, but self harm isn't social darwinism. It's just a mental health issue.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by oasisbob on Friday July 15, 2022 @12:15PM (#32109663)
People who celebrate the deaths of others due to their lack of perceived intelligence is absolutely an example of natural selection being applied to an inappropriate, scientifically devoid situation.

I agree that self-harm isn't social Darwinism. People sharing amusing stories of self-harm and chuckling about "cleaning the gene pool" absolutely is.

Natural selection is not the right tool to downplay and excuse harm to others, and has nothing to do with the scientific theory of evolution.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by branon on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:04PM (#32100177)
Couldn't even tell you what social Darwinism is. My comment was not political in nature, I was merely referring to the concept of natural selection in a literal sense.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by pdonis on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:22PM (#32098928)
> If you're implying social Darwinism

I don't think the GP was referring to social Darwinism, just plain old Darwinism, of the "Darwin Award" variety.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by oasisbob on Friday July 15, 2022 @12:18PM (#32109702)
My point is that exactly. The "Darwin Award" variety IS a facetious form of social Darwinism.

It's not related to the science of evolution, it's using the principles of natural selection for social commentary.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by pdonis on Friday July 15, 2022 @02:40PM (#32111418)
> It's not related to the science of evolution

Yes, it is, at least to the extent that intelligence and common sense are selected for, and their opposites are selected against, in our current selective environment.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by oasisbob on Friday July 22, 2022 @02:16PM (#32195303)
If there's anything in the literature describing the increase in "common sense" among Homo sapiens due to evolutionary pressures, I'd love to read it.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by sizzle on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:17PM (#32098862)
Got any good links?
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by carvking on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:30PM (#32099040)
It's an industry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvqa8dsBtno

Fake cooking videos en masse. I think it's time to give people the option of opting out of filming, carry a small rfid/chip or s-t and then you can't be filmed - built in AI blur :)

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by squarefoot on Thursday July 14, 2022 @05:35PM (#32101740)
A QR code carrying a universally standardized and unskippable instruction to "blur whoever wears it" should suffice. "Permission levels" could also be added so that for example I can choose to be filmed/photographed only by family and/or friends but not strangers. It doesn't seem out of reach with current technology.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by MattGaiser on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:33AM (#32096548)
> It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it.

A friend of a friend is an influencer doing 50K a month. He has a network of influencers he knows. It is overwhelmingly referral schemes for apps or pumping shitcoins.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by martin_a on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:28AM (#32096495)
> there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it.

gaining influence with videos like these (widespread, "easy content") will probably earn you some advertisement deals

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by winternett on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:19PM (#32100393)
That's the problem... Advertisers seeking easily "malleable" actors to shill their products... People who they can also underpay and over-contract. Social media is a gold mine for exploiting people who need opportunity... Especially young people.

They're unionizing Starbucks, but it might be wiser/better to unionize social media creators before it's too late.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by cratermoon on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:32AM (#32096543)
William Gibson's novel Pattern Recognition revolves around the protagonist's search for the origins of "the footage", a series of anonymous, artistic clips posted on the internet.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by hk1337 on Thursday July 14, 2022 @09:54AM (#32096118)
At least if it's staged you know all the parties are in on it and it's not leaving someone "holding the bag".
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by another-circus on Thursday July 14, 2022 @10:55AM (#32096832)
You can avoid that content by not watching the video or visiting places where videos like that appear.
Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by winternett on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:12AM (#32097021)
Like the entire Internet now... Got it.

These apps don't allow for people to choose the content they see. Even the front page of CNN.Com is regularly now citing TikTok clips that went "viral". In the next few years there will be no way to avoid this staged and shilled content anywhere. Especially as monopoly platforms begin to collaborate with each other to create marketing campaigns.

Suggestive/manipulative marketing has a stranglehold on the Internet without most people knowing. Things displayed on site front pages are there for a reason, and it's not usually because it naturally went viral, it's there because it makes companies a lot of money.... The real content, made by authentic people is buried by algorithms and under a sea of staged and copycat content. (Just my opinion though)

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by pdonis on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:23PM (#32098954)
> Like the entire Internet now

Not even close. There are plenty of places on the Internet that are not infected with this trash. (This site is one of them: nobody has to wade through videos and ads just to post here.) It is unfortunate that so-called "mainstream news" sites like CNN are not among them, but that's CNN's problem.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by winternett on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:15PM (#32100342)
Give me a good example, and I'll give you an example in that instance where you're wrong. If sites are not currently contaminated by fake and staged content, I guarantee you they soon will be.

News sources previously reporting on and praising crypto companies and coins that have now been exposed as scams (now gone bankrupt) is a troubling sign that even journalism is relying on likes for reputation more than properly checking sources.

Many influencers pushed crypto heavily in the past years, leading to huge money losses for people who follow them. There has still never been proper public account for how this social media content cycle mentally manipulates people regularly.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by pdonis on Thursday July 14, 2022 @03:25PM (#32100461)
> Give me a good example

I already gave you one: this very site.

> a troubling sign that even journalism is relying on likes for reputation more than properly checking sources.

So-called journalism has been in that mode for decades, if not centuries. If anything, the Internet makes it harder for them to keep it up, because there are so many more ways for their practices to actually be exposed so people can see them. That might make it seem like journalists do more of that kind of thing than they used to, but it doesn't; it just means that they get caught at it a lot more than they used to.

> There has still never been proper public account for how this social media content cycle mentally manipulates people regularly.

Social media can only mentally manipulate you if you're naive enough to (a) use it, and (b) believe what you see on it. No amount of "public account" is going to fix that problem.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by notriddle on Thursday July 14, 2022 @04:33PM (#32101096)
> I already gave you one: this very site.

Hacker News is almost entirely influencer marketing, and has been from the very beginning. The whole point is to push Y Combinator the angel investment company.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by pdonis on Thursday July 14, 2022 @05:30PM (#32101694)
> Hacker News is almost entirely influencer marketing

Really? That's what this discussion is? Or, for that matter, every discussion I have participated in in the 10 years or so I have been posting on HN? Are we both posting on the same site?

I get that the existence of HN gives publicity to YC, and that every so often pg or sama posts a new essay and those always make it to the front page. But to call the site itself "almost entirely influencer marketing" seems to me to be, to say the least, highly inaccurate.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by foepys on Thursday July 14, 2022 @11:28AM (#32097279)
That is the exact thing that children get told when they are being bullied. "Stay away from them, ignore them, just don't read it online."

It doesn't work

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by germinalphrase on Thursday July 14, 2022 @01:14PM (#32098819)
A child is legally compelled (in most cases) to attend school. I am hardly compelled to visit TikTok, Facebook, Fox/CNN/etc.

I forgo something when I opt out, but I absolutely am in control of that choice whereas a bullied child is not.

Re:Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her co... by another-circus on Wednesday July 20, 2022 @05:06AM (#32163196)
I have never been on TikTok or Instagram. I don't have an account on Reddit or Facebook and hardly visit them unless it's someone referring me to a post. If you run an adblocker you don't see ads 99% of the time. You can visit numerous news sites and other journals without seeing anything but the quality content. You can even view YouTube without seeing ads or clicking on garbage videos. It's not hard to avoid garbage on the net. No one is forcing you to participate in places where it's common.