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Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by satyrnein on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:06PM (#31857110)
the convention may have hired a Snoop Dogg look-a-like, “Doop Snogg”, to attend the festivities and inflate the convention’s prestige

Not the real thing, just meant to evoke it, and people will pay for it, despite it being unauthorized, hoping to impress others. I finally get it!

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by woodruffw on Thursday June 23, 2022 @11:19PM (#31857428)
It turns out that Snoop Dogg himself is not easily fungible.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by pcthrowaway on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:37AM (#31858150)
You could say he's a non-fungible toker
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by woodruffw on Thursday June 23, 2022 @11:18PM (#31857426)
This begs a probative question: what good is the monkey if nobody knows you have it?
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by altdataseller on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:46PM (#31856452)
Why not call it a crypto apocalypse, not winter? Winter implies it will be over eventually.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by bergenty on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:21PM (#31856634)
This cycle has happened four times before and every time there are more people investing. It could be the apocalypse but we won’t know for a while.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by duskwuff on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:46PM (#31857271)
> This cycle has happened four times before and every time there are more people investing.

How many more people could be convinced to put money into cryptocurrency? At this point I suspect there aren't a lot left.

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by anony23 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @11:38PM (#31857531)
Every time it goes up it's more people than the last time.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by duskwuff on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:00AM (#31858260)
There's a finite supply of suckers, and the cryptocurrency industry has already been digging pretty deep.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by yakak on Friday June 24, 2022 @06:43AM (#31859907)
If it's like other tech the more people are now in the developing world which would mean high volume usage but have trouble reaching past heights of speculation.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by lurker619 on Friday June 24, 2022 @03:20PM (#31868041)
Every four years today's high schoolers graduate college and start earning money. They don't witness the previous cycle and it's lessons, so they are impressed by the tech and don't realize the greater fool is them.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by peyton on Thursday June 23, 2022 @11:46PM (#31857585)
You don’t think retail are gonna look for alternative investments over the coming cycle? That they’ll be happy with stocks, bonds, and deposit accounts at their local credit unions?
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by JumpCrisscross on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:17AM (#31858049)
> they’ll be happy with stocks, bonds, and deposit accounts at their local credit unions?

You’re describing gambling addicts. Healthy casinos keep their share of revenue to a minimum for a reason.

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by paulryanrogers on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:38PM (#31856707)
Once everyone understands the fundamentals there may be no greater fools left. That would be recipe for an 'apocalypse'.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by EarthLaunch on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:08PM (#31857115)
It's going to be a long time before even a significant minority of people understand the fundamentals.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by bergenty on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:45PM (#31857034)
It’s possible but there are a lot of people invested in crypto and they’re not all fools. There are a lot of people that have never invested in crypto and they’re definitely not all fools.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by HWR_14 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:12PM (#31857133)
"Greater fool" is a technical term, not a judgement.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by bergenty on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:18PM (#31857161)
The underlying implication turns out to be pretty literal.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by xwolfi on Friday June 24, 2022 @03:12AM (#31858619)
Greater dreamer works as well. The most important part is the infinite growth of expectation.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by nailer on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:24AM (#31859042)
It's both.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by the_biot on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:45AM (#31858488)
Yet pyramid schemes/MLMs keep popping up, for decades. Their model isn't so different from what motivates people who get caught up in cryptocurrency and NFT scams.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by eliaspro on Friday June 24, 2022 @06:21AM (#31859778)
The principle of the "daily ten thousand" ensures there's a constant supply of new fools... https://xkcd.com/1053/
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by herbst on Friday June 24, 2022 @03:18AM (#31858654)
Why call it apocalypse when there are no signs of it actually dying. It's a big cleanup, ponzies bust, worthless coins bust, every project has to proof its relevance again.

It was fucking time. People started to loose any relation to anything with all those masked ponzies & not even alpha metaverses.

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by photochemsyn on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:34PM (#31856692)
The thing about monetary systems - crypto, fiat, precious metals, shell beads or whatever - is that they only have value, i.e. can be exchanged for goods and services - as long as other human beings agree that they have such value.

Crypto schemes certainly deserve much of the scorn that has been poured on them recently, but the way things are trending with the $US dollar may not be all that much better. Modern Monetary Theory, which is widely embraced in some circles may not be much more reliable than crypto, and in particular the fact that MMT relies on preserving the reserve currency status of the dollar isn't always recognized clearly (this is why MMT applied in countries like Argentina and Venezuela results in the devaluation of the local currency).

The fact that the Fed's rampant quantitative easing during the pandemic has now contributed at least in part to rampant inflation might indicate that that reserve currency status is faltering (compare to QE during 2008-2009, which did not cause an inflation spike). It's not the only factor driving inflation (supply chain breakdowns, fossil fuel exports, etc.) but it's something to think about.

No - don't sell your Treasury bonds to buy bitcoin, please. But perhaps it's time to think about reviving Bancor?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancor

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by kareemsabri on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:44PM (#31856740)
MMT doesn't rely on preserving the reserve currency status of the dollar. It relies on a nation having monetary sovereignty, ie. being able to denominate its debts in its own currency, and not other currencies. I'm not sure how that wouldn't be recognized since it's pretty much the central part of the theory.

I don't believe it's the case that currency is only valuable if people have faith in it, and that's creating a false equivalency between shells, beads, crypto, and dollars.

Dollars are a medium of exchange because they are legitimized by the government, primarily because they are the only thing you can pay your taxes in if you live in the US, which creates an ongoing demand for them. If we all decided to change to beads, for some reason, we'd still have to buy dollars to pay the US government.

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by peyton on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:22AM (#31857784)
MMT is a deliberate conflation of monetary and fiscal policy. It’s bullshit.

> Dollars are a medium of exchange because they are legitimized by the government, primarily because they are the only thing you can pay your taxes in if you live in the US

No, they’re a medium of exchange because they have the desired properties due to collective belief (stores value through time, common unit of measure, subdivideable). If I could pay taxes in push-ups, push-ups wouldn’t be a medium of exchange.

> If we all decided to change to beads, for some reason, we'd still have to buy dollars to pay the US government.

No, the IRS would simply not be able to collect because there would be no USD market of any kind for seized property. Zero demand for dollars would be stable.

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by danans on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:00PM (#31857090)
> Crypto schemes certainly deserve much of the scorn that has been poured on them recently, but the way things are trending with the $US dollar may not be all that much better.

Sure seems like holding dollars was a lot better than holding crypto the last few years, so not sure where you are getting that USD is not much better. Anyways, they're not really comparable since it's pretty clear at this point that crypto isn't a viable medium of exchange even at feature-set level (ignoring the problems with its volatility - everything you can buy with crypto got 66% more expensive in the last 6 months, which is worse than price rises under USD inflation).

But how badly have things been trending with the USD vs other true mediums-of-exchange (i.e. currencies that you can use to pay for normal things, like food, clothes, energy, taxes, etc)?

Seems like not very differently. Inflation, induced by monetary policy, pandemic, and war is affecting all significant medium-of-exchange currencies and economies right now. None of those real currencies is realistically going to take over reserve currency status from USD any time soon.

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by tcbawo on Thursday June 23, 2022 @11:11PM (#31857388)
> The fact that the Fed's rampant quantitative easing during the pandemic has now contributed at least in part to rampant inflation

It’s impossible to quantify “contributed in part”, but this would not explain rampant inflation across nearly all developed countries [https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/15/in-the-u-s-...]

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by yunohn on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:23PM (#31857182)
> but the way things are trending with the $US dollar may not be all that much better

Why do crypto maxis keep saying this? At the very least, the entire USA population uses USD daily and have an entrenched interest in continuing to use it.

How do you possibly think you could convince all of them to switch to your fav crypto, just because you’ve been “stacking” it?

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by zamalek on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:59PM (#31857326)
> can be exchanged for goods and services

Right, and NFTs perform the extremely valuable function of preventing FOMO; or in the case of celebrities: fear of missing a fashion statement.

This entire series of debacles has proven that cryptocurrencies are not immune to human stupidity, which was supposed to be the main selling point of it all. It has spectacularly failed.

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by kwertyoowiyop on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:32PM (#31857217)
> but the way things are trending with the $US dollar may not be all that much better

Absolutely ridiculous assertion.

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by 0des on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:38PM (#31857011)
Surely you're kidding about Bancor.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by danrocks on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:52PM (#31857057)
No, and don’t call me Shirley
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by whatisweb3 on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:49AM (#31858507)
> both Hilton and Fallon have changed their Twitter profile photos from the Bored Apes that once united them. Although, to be fair, both maintain the “.eth” suffix that keeps them a part of the conversation, and Hilton is still minting her own NFTs.

So this fluff article basically tells us that celebrities have changed their profile picture, but haven’t stopped using crypto? Did we expect them to keep an ugly ape as their profile picture for their entire lives?

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by WalterGR on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:56PM (#31856505)
What would loud deletion sound like?
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by 1270018080 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:12PM (#31856593)
"All crypto is a ponzi scheme and it has run out of greater fools, good luck to the morons who bought crypto because of the endorsement deal FTX paid me for. I am now replacing my profile pic with something else." In a tweet would be a loud deletion in my mind.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by iNerdier on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:37AM (#31858442)
Tweeting about why you’ve stopped using the algorithmically generated cartoon ape you paid a large sum of money for as an avatar might be a start. Rather than quietly just making it vanish.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by WalterGR on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:43AM (#31858479)
Is it normal for celebrities to announce when and why they change their profile pics?
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by goldenkey on Friday June 24, 2022 @03:49AM (#31858841)
This is a direct response to the Nazi and Negro dog whistling in Bored Ape Yacht Club: https://youtu.be/XpH3O6mnZvw
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by nokya on Sunday June 26, 2022 @06:52PM (#31888877)
Just finished watching the video. Really appreciated, than you.

I had actually already felt a strange sensation when I saw their use of apes for this NFT and the logo that reminded me of the SS emblem. I felt a little bit stupid to think about this and ended up discarding this idea entirely.

The author seems to have done extensive research on the topic, I find it hard to tell if it's just about looking for signs that don't exist or if it's actually one of the major racist conspiracies I've seen in my professional life.

Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by syspec on Saturday June 25, 2022 @02:42PM (#31877641)
Wow that was really interesting
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by goldenkey on Sunday June 26, 2022 @02:53PM (#31886758)
It's getting downvoted and mogged heavily by NFT shills.
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by skc on Friday June 24, 2022 @03:52AM (#31858864)
They'll be back once the cycle reverts
Re:As a Crypto Winter Descends, Celebrities Quietly Delete T... by WalterGR on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:15PM (#31864698)
The "winter" in "crypto winter" may imply that.