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Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by robonerd on Sunday June 19, 2022 @02:04PM (#31801740)
> people who believe they are on calorie restricted diets, but who are actually eating more than they think.

Absolutely. For instance only counting the calories of their scheduled meals, but "snacks don't count because its just a snack". Or counting a heaping plateful of spaghetti as a single serving because they put it on a single plate. Underestimating calorie counts is much more common than estimating it accurately.

Eat a few meals with a huge person who "just can't lose weight" and it will usually become obvious that they eat a huge amount of food.

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by idontwantthis on Sunday June 19, 2022 @05:29PM (#31803699)
I thought this too until I actually tried to lose weight. You measure everything you eat, and you lose weight for a week or so, and then you get tired, and irritable, and progress greatly slows down, stops, or reverses.

Yes, some of it is willpower, and probably for lots of people it's entirely willpower, but there is definitely a metabolic component to it.

If you eat less than you expend you must lose weight, but it's naive to discount a decrease in the expenditure part as well. Keep in mind that just living requires the vast majority of your calories, and any exercise is a blip covered by a couple cookies.

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by sn9 on Sunday June 19, 2022 @07:40PM (#31804628)
People underestimate the variation in NEAT, non-exercise activity thermogenesis.

Often on prolonged diets, your NEAT can unconsciously decrease from a series of small decisions like choosing to take the elevator when you usually take the stairs, parking nearer to your destination, etc. and even things like fidgeting less.

You can kinda get around this with things like step counters so you can track how many steps per day you normally walk, and then if you notice you're suddenly walking fewer steps, you can consciously choose to walk more to keep your activity level at your baseline.

For example, you might average 8,000 steps per day but after a few months on a diet, you find yourself walking 4,000 steps per day naturally so you can just choose to go out for a walk after dinner to maintain or increase your baseline level of activity.

When people talk about changes in metabolism, this is normally the culprit.

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by feet on Monday June 20, 2022 @11:36AM (#31811575)
This is the answer. NEAT is generally the biggest lever you have to modulate caloric burn
Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by taneq on Sunday June 19, 2022 @07:24PM (#31804513)
> You measure everything you eat, and you lose weight for a week or so, and then you get tired, and irritable, and progress greatly slows down, stops, or reverses.

You’re not losing a meaningful amount of fat in the first week. You’re just getting dehydrated.

I’ve seen this process up close multiple times. It usually starts with a dramatic weight loss goal like “I’m going to lose 2kg/week for a month.” The first few days of crash dieting seem to be working, then the rapid progress stops and it becomes clear that the original target is impossible. This makes it easy to justify quitting the diet altogether to oneself, which was always subconsciously the goal of this approach.

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by throwaway2037 on Monday June 20, 2022 @01:52AM (#31806757)
When I read "2kg/week", I almost jumped. That is a big number! Google tells me that 7,700 calories must be cut from your "normal diet" to lose 1kg of body weight. It would be an incredible feat of willpower to consistently cut 15,000+ calories per week from your "normal diet"!
Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by dx034 on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:25AM (#31807699)
It's not easy but certainly possible. For a reasonably tall male (higher calorie burn), being active (>15k steps a day) while eating around 1500 calories a day will lead to a deficit of up to 15,000 calories a week. Eating 1,500 calories per day is restricting but not starving, and burning 3,500 calories per day is a very active lifestyle but not some extreme sports or so.

But as others have noted, it often doesn't seem to be sustainable as your body will react to that kind of calorie deficit.

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by namibj on Monday June 20, 2022 @10:11PM (#31818982)
Cutting down to just essential amino acids and other essential nutrients like some select fatty acids, cushions, and minerals, isn't that hard if you can avoid carbs from getting advertised to you. Even a non-optimized protein source like eggs easily offers ~500kcal/day at sufficient protein levels, and sustained keto doesn't really include hunger feelings. It's not particularly healthy, but if the only way to keep up a significant caloric deficit is to see the rapid results of this kind of diet, it should still be healthier than morbid obesity.
Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by anothernewdude on Monday June 20, 2022 @06:40AM (#31808651)
That 7700 per 1kg figure is for Fat. However what you burn through first are Glycogen stores [1] which store about as half as much energy in the same weight as a more readily available form.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycogen

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by taneq on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @07:35PM (#31830357)
Exactly, and I feel like that's subconsiously the point of setting a goal like that. It's unattainable, so by conflating it with weight loss in general, of course weight loss isn't possible, which is a sentiment you will see repeated quite frequently in any online weight loss discussion.

My max. sustainable weight loss rate seems to be about half a kilo a week. Any more and I start yoyo-ing.

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by Hammershaft on Sunday June 19, 2022 @05:35PM (#31803760)
Fasting makes the process easier.
Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by what-the-grump on Sunday June 19, 2022 @05:53PM (#31803892)
Cut your food intake by 50% and start drinking water / coffee to combat hunger.

I know I am losing weight when I am hungry between meals, most of the time I eat because it’s time to eat.

Down 10 pounds in two weeks. It’s nothing special just eating what I should be eating in terms of quantity. Eating sweets? Skip a meal, etc.

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by sterlind on Monday June 20, 2022 @02:51AM (#31807083)
I lost 40lbs effortlessly, eating as much as I wanted, and I've kept it for a couple of years now..

by switching antidepressants. the one I was on before caused weight gain and sugar cravings. I gained 40lbs when I started taking it and lost it when I stopped. I just suddenly found sugar and carbs unappetizing, whereas before I'd get intense cravings.

the experience further convinced me that weight regulation is metabolic or something. I used zero self-control, diet or exercise, and a chemical change brought me back to a healthy weight. my eating habits changed but it was subconscious, not willpower.

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by TylerE on Sunday June 19, 2022 @06:04PM (#31803992)
2 weeks is easy.

2 months is hard.

2 years is really hard

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by formerly_proven on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:54AM (#31807908)
> 2 years is really hard

Yeah, loosing 2 kg/week for two years is physically impossible for almost all obese people.

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by imtringued on Monday June 20, 2022 @10:57AM (#31811106)
My body weight would be negative before the first year ended.
Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by treeman79 on Sunday June 19, 2022 @07:52PM (#31804711)
If you have kids it’s beyond hard.
Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by jotm on Sunday June 19, 2022 @09:59PM (#31805508)
This is more or less what I do for a loss of ~3kg/month.

At least for me, we're talking massive amounts of water, by the way. ~500ml every 2-3 hours, all day for the whole time.

Ayran/yoghurt with more salt and water works better, likely because of the salt, but I've gotten too many small kidney stones that way - 100% sure, because I had to painfully piss them out and cut my urethra several times. And, well, yeah, bring a portaloo everywhere.

The hunger gets to me every week, though, in which case I found it's OK to eat a lot of protein/fat (eggs, cheese, meat) for a day. Well, by a lot I mean maybe 3 times the normal food intake.

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by cecilpl2 on Sunday June 19, 2022 @11:35PM (#31806031)
500ml every 2-3 hours seems like a very normal amount of water.

I drink more water than most and I usually go through 4-5 litres in a regular work day.

Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by moron4hire on Sunday June 19, 2022 @06:07PM (#31804011)
2 weeks is a laugh
Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by bearmode on Tuesday June 21, 2022 @10:23AM (#31824266)
I guarantee that you're going to start seeing huge drop offs in another few weeks. 5lbs/week is significant, it's far more than would be expected with even a massive calorific deficit. You're losing water weight.
Re:The brain has a ‘low-power mode’ that blunts our senses by taneq on Sunday June 19, 2022 @07:27PM (#31804542)
People area focusing on the 2 weeks thing but your approach is right, and I did something similar for about 6-8 months in order to lose 10kg and keep it off. I kept eating my regular food, just cut my portion sizes in half. It sucked… but it worked.