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Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by kristiandupont on Saturday May 28, 2022 @06:43AM (#31539216)
> I'm starting to see broken sites

What are some examples of this? I keep seeing this complaint and I keep asking for examples but I always get "just various sites"-like answers. FF is my primary browser and I am not seeing it. I am genuinely curious as to whether it is starting to fall behind but I can recall maybe two or three instances the past couple of years where I opened a site in Brave to see if it worked there.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by neogodless on Saturday May 28, 2022 @09:34AM (#31540211)
HomeDepot.com often won't let me add things to cart. The past couple months it has been working again, but there were a few months where I couldn't.

This morning, I couldn't buy a key off cdkeys.com - tried two totally different methods, email addresses, credit cards. Didn't try a second browser yet but I'm not sure I am that persistent...

A news site, I think the New Yorker, would only show the first two paragraphs of an article but in other browsers, would show the full article.

I don't log which sites break - if it's important I tend to cave and open Edge for that site, do my business, and then go back to Firefox for everything else. If it's less important, I'll opt to just not to business with them. But I'm a grain of sand so it doesn't make much difference.

Most sites just have really obnoxious CAPTCHA, often requiring more than one "pick the things" but I don't know if my experience is specific to Firefox.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by lol768 on Saturday May 28, 2022 @11:56AM (#31541318)
> HomeDepot.com often won't let me add things to cart. The past couple months it has been working again, but there were a few months where I couldn't.

I checked for webcompat issues matching this description and couldn't find anyone reporting that adding items to the cart didn't work.

I attempted to reproduce the issue myself, but HomeDepot block visitors from my location.

> This morning, I couldn't buy a key off cdkeys.com - tried two totally different methods, email addresses, credit cards. Didn't try a second browser yet but I'm not sure I am that persistent...

Can't reproduce, I was able to buy a CD Key ("Garfield Kart - Furious Racing PC") at 28 May 2022, 16:51:52 BST using Firefox 100.0.2 and a debit card.

> A news site, I think the New Yorker, would only show the first two paragraphs of an article but in other browsers, would show the full article.

Can't reproduce. Visiting https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-baby-formul... in Firefox shows me the exact same content as when I use Chromium.

I'm not saying you've not experienced these issues, but they're definitely not widespread and your post doesn't give enough information to go on to diagnose if there's an issue with Firefox or not.

The best thing you can do is report issues to the webcompat project as and when you come across compatibility issues. It takes about 20 seconds, less time than you probably spent writing this comment.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by IshKebab on Saturday May 28, 2022 @05:12PM (#31543911)
> I'm not saying you've not experienced these issues

It really sounds like you are. I hate these "Well did you report it? I can't reproduce it. Did you rebuild in debug mode and check the logs? Did you learn C++ and fix it?" responses.

It's open source victim blaming.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by lol768 on Monday June 06, 2022 @04:19AM (#31638285)
> It really sounds like you are.

Which is obviously why I explicitly said I wasn't!

> I hate these "Well did you report it? I can't reproduce it."

How do you expect progress to be made if we can't precisely discuss browser issues & how to reproduce them in a way that enables them to be investigated and fixed?

For all we know at the minute, the OP has an extension installed that's causing all this.

> "Did you rebuild in debug mode and check the logs? Did you learn C++ and fix it?"

Because that's totally what I asked :eyeroll:

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by neogodless on Monday May 30, 2022 @05:41PM (#31563936)
Appreciate the effort, but you're wrong.

Just to be sure I went back again today. Still could not purchase Horizon Zero Dawn. The error in the console was "No recaptcha clients exist."

I then went to Edge, and I able able to successfully make the purchase.

I'm a Firefox user. I'm a fan. But to pretend that there aren't sites that test in Chromium and call it a day isn't reality.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by lol768 on Monday June 06, 2022 @04:17AM (#31638276)
> Appreciate the effort, but you're wrong.

I mean, I have the game code right in front of me, ready to redeem.

> Just to be sure I went back again today. Still could not purchase Horizon Zero Dawn. The error in the console was "No recaptcha clients exist."

Still can't reproduce with this item - have you tried it in a fresh profile?

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by CJefferson on Saturday May 28, 2022 @01:52PM (#31542306)
What is the "webcompat project"? I just tried googling for it and there were some articles about it, but no page I could submit.

I can say I recently found I couldn't make a new account at 'wise.com' in firefox (had to switch to chrome), and an internal university website doesn't work in Firefox -- but of course, I can't share that page publicly, so there's not a lot useful I can do with that.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by lol768 on Saturday May 28, 2022 @04:58PM (#31543791)
https://webcompat.com/

> but no page I could submit

Click the large "Report bug" button and you'll get to https://webcompat.com/issues/new

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by sfink on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @12:32PM (#31584363)
It's tricky, because now that Firefox is a (small) minority browser I often assume any breakage is Firefox-specific. But at least 80% of the time, when I retry something in Chrome, it's still broken. I usually don't, mentally file it as "broken in Firefox", and decide I don't need to use that site for now anyway. So my estimation of Firefox-specific breakage is probably much higher than the reality. A lot of the web is just plain broken, for all browsers, much of the time.

The one major category of real problems I run into are related to captchas.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by neurostimulant on Saturday May 28, 2022 @07:51PM (#31544924)
> HomeDepot.com often won't let me add things to cart.

Try opening the site in incognito mode. It usually fixed these random issues.

> Most sites just have really obnoxious CAPTCHA, often requiring more than one "pick the things" but I don't know if my experience is specific to Firefox.

Installing the "Privacy Pass" extension can significantly reduce captcha challenges when visiting sites that use cloudflare.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by saghm on Saturday May 28, 2022 @02:01PM (#31542365)
> A news site, I think the New Yorker, would only show the first two paragraphs of an article but in other browsers, would show the full article.

Sorry if this is a silly question, but is this maybe just the paywall? I'm not sure if you've been reading more articles on Firefox and then only opened on Chrome or something after this started happening, but it sounds like that could be what's going on.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by zonotope on Saturday May 28, 2022 @06:54AM (#31539275)
I use firefox and don't see broken sites per se, but there are many sites where performance, especially js performance, suffers. Gmail and other Google sites are sluggish for example, as well as Amazon. It sometimes takes a minute after visiting amazon.com for their js to initialize and I can begin to interact with the site. This is not the case for chromium. I stick with firefox because of multi-account containers, a mobile app that I can add adblockers to, and multi-device sync that works well with linux and android, but performance lags and it's getting worse.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by zelphirkalt on Saturday May 28, 2022 @07:18AM (#31539410)
Google sites have long been suspected to do things intentionally in a way that is only optimizing for Chrom(e/ium), maybe even intentionally slow on other browsers, which is mostly Firefox. No surprise there at all.

However I do not see this stuff about JS init to take that long on amazon. It might be a special thing in your case. Did you try things like a new profile, to test, whether it still happens?

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by _dark_matter_ on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:38AM (#31539856)
It is not just suspected, all Firefox Android users are served a different Google search experience than Chrome. One that is much worse.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by cpeterso on Saturday May 28, 2022 @01:11PM (#31541970)
Firefox Android’s can install the “Google Search Fixer” add-on to request the full Google Search UI (by sending a Chrome User-Agent string to google.com):

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/google-search...

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by dralley on Saturday May 28, 2022 @02:19PM (#31542494)
It shouldn't be necessary.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by shadowgovt on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:38AM (#31539854)
It's not so much "intentionally broken on Firefox" as it is "between adding features and debugging Firefox performance issues, one gets you promoted and one doesn't." Because the former benefits all users and the latter benefits about 5% of users at most.

The banal evil of neglect vs. intentional maliciousness.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by beebeepka on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:58AM (#31539985)
That may be a small part of the truth but even a 12 year old me wouldn't believe such a fairy tale to be the whole reason.

MS also used to optimize DOS in ways that clearly hurt their competitors. We've seen Intel aggressively optimize their compiler to slow down AMD... I am sure people have been "optimizing" in such ways for as long as there have been people.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by shadowgovt on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:29PM (#31545095)
Google doesn't have to do any of that. They can literally just keep implementing WHATWG features that are hard to get right because they're technically challenging and let Mozilla not have the resources to keep up. They don't control the operating system, but they have the resources to propose a protocol or API they can implement correctly and competitors might not (well, one competitor... Apple and Microsoft seem to keep up).

Name a feature that Firefox doesn't have that prevents people from using the web. I can't. But I can name several that I've seen work more correctly on Chrome because they have the resources to make it work in the context of very complicated and legacy-filled rendering engines (flexbox comes to mind) where Mozilla appears to not (ask me about my favorite Firefox-only flex performance issues... To their credit, they have all been fixed, but FF spent a lot of time behind the curve).

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by mattarm on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:24PM (#31541573)
I can agree that Google simply neglects Firefox performance and features. I think this alone is enough to explain why Google products work better on Chrome.

Are you saying that there are people at Google whose job description is to tweak Google web products to perform worse on Firefox, just so Chrome appears better in comparison?

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by lloeki on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:11AM (#31539695)
> a minute

Shot in the dark: sounds like a timeout in TCP, DNS, or something like that.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by beej71 on Saturday May 28, 2022 @10:25AM (#31540569)
I've seen a couple pages on CNBC where it would render the content, then delete it all. (Like, the containing DOM element was made empty.)

Disabling JS kept the content from vanishing.

Of course, this is almost certainly bad coding on the website's side, and not the fault of Firefox. But it seems like it's but getting the QA attention it needs from the site owners.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by jahnu on Saturday May 28, 2022 @06:48AM (#31539242)
I use both edge and Firefox daily and have also rarely seen broken sites and even then I’ve experienced them in both browsers at about the same rate.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by enragedcacti on Saturday May 28, 2022 @09:49AM (#31540308)
I most commonly find it during payment processing and other spots where devs are trying to do fancy input validation or styling in forms, especially on mobile. The most common issue is that the the cursor isn't moved correctly when accounting for automatically inserted spaces or hyphens and it can be pretty much impossible to enter the correct numbers without overwriting previous numbers. Autofill also generally fails in these scenarios.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by 323 on Saturday May 28, 2022 @07:41AM (#31539525)
Firefox is my main browser for many years now, but there are two categories of sites that I only open in Chrome:

Video heavy sites, especially YouTube. It loads extremely slowly compared to Chrome. And has much more video stuttering. Probably Google is sabotaging YouTube in Firefox.

Complex interactive sites, like crypto exchanges. They are slow and with many rendering artefacts in Firefox. Probably because they don't even bother testing in Firefox.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by nemetroid on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:20AM (#31539749)
> Video heavy sites, especially YouTube. It loads extremely slowly compared to Chrome. And has much more video stuttering.

I recently had similar issues, and it turned out that Firefox’s cache was constantly nearly-full. Clearing the cache returned YouTube to normal.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by whoisthemachine on Saturday May 28, 2022 @09:37AM (#31540227)
Ah yes, cache eviction, one of two hard problems in computer science...
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by guerrilla on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:08AM (#31539671)
> Video heavy sites, especially YouTube. It loads extremely slowly compared to Chrome. And has much more video stuttering. Probably Google is sabotaging YouTube in Firefox.

Hmmm... I've never had this problem and I use YouTube heavily. You sure your video acceleration and codecs and all that are set up right?

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by ris58h on Saturday May 28, 2022 @10:15AM (#31540497)
It's a known issue https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1658392 I have a laptop with Intel HD graphics and Firefox can't play fullhd video on x2 speed. It freezes every second. Chrome on the same machine plays the same video flawlessly.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by wildrhythms on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:23AM (#31539769)
How does one 'set up' video acceleration and codecs?
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by guerrilla on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:40AM (#31539870)
I don't remember but I had to enable something in FF for acceleration at one point and I assume you'd have to have the right codecs installed. This is on Arch Linux.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by robonerd on Saturday May 28, 2022 @01:25PM (#31542073)
> Video heavy sites, especially YouTube.

Right-click -> Open With mpv

It's a pain in the ass, but the performance gap is immense. On a desktop I wouldn't bother, but on my laptop this has a real impact on battery life.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by sharno on Sunday May 29, 2022 @12:33AM (#31546413)
Do you need a special addon to do so? Or does it show up if you have both apps installed?
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by robonerd on Sunday May 29, 2022 @01:43PM (#31551062)
You need an extension and some sort of shim script for it to work, but it's well worth it in my opinion.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by cassepipe on Saturday May 28, 2022 @01:19PM (#31542029)
I was wondering if it was still possible to stream a youtube video out in VLC of if it has been made impossible
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by freebuju on Saturday May 28, 2022 @01:43PM (#31542229)
It has always been possible to open YouTube links on VLC. If you want to do so with even less clicks from your browser, there's a open with mpv extension. Can't link it now as am on mobile.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by almog on Saturday May 28, 2022 @07:03AM (#31539334)
Gmail, other than being sluggish on FF, its browser history (back button) is broken on Firefox (though gmail's keyboard shortcuts still work).
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by almog on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @04:56PM (#31574848)
And another one - google search any time series graphs such as stock price, currency convertion etc. Works so far on FF. Click any of the non-default resolution (5D, 1M, 6M) and you'll get a "No chart available" on FF.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by kevin_thibedeau on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:35AM (#31539838)
I use this feature to stick it to them and never use logged in Google properties from my main Firefox. I can discard their cookies at will. I have a Chromium sandbox they can track me in for Gmail.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by guerrilla on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:12AM (#31539699)
I still haven't found any except a local dating site that can detect my ad blocker in Firefox but not Chrome. Every other site that doesn't work in FF so far also doesn't work in Chrome.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by TheLML on Saturday May 28, 2022 @07:09AM (#31539365)
I've had problems when organizing online tournaments using Challonge. I've had to switch to Chrome a few times to do something, since it would regularly break in FF. Also their support page requires you to enter a combination of keys to reveal the email address: sadly this didn't work in FF, too. I've had a few other problems over time, but none that I remember off the top of my head. I've used FF for the past 15+ years and don't usually mind small problems, though.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by brynjolf on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @03:26PM (#31586782)
Twitch has been broken for the entire pandemic and will not be ever improved at this point. I gave up and just went with Chrome for anything media related. Mozilla has stopped caring and so I have.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by mmwelt on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:24AM (#31539781)
I'm not the person you were replying to, but a few broken sites I've noticed are:

    web.skype.com
    Jitsi Meet (https://meet.jit.si/) -- apparently no support for insertable streams
    stuff.co.nz from outside NZ
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by aembleton on Saturday May 28, 2022 @09:30AM (#31540190)
I don't have a Microsoft account so couldn't try web.skype..com. Not sure what insertable streams are.

I tried stuff.co.nz from the UK and it looked like this: https://imgur.com/a/tibMwHE

Articles loaded fine; I'm not sure what is broken about it.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by PascLeRasc on Saturday May 28, 2022 @10:12AM (#31540476)
Fidelity won't let me log in on Firefox. I've tried everything anyone has to suggest, and I don't care anymore because I moved to Vanguard instead.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by twangist on Saturday May 28, 2022 @05:51PM (#31544197)
time.com, pages simply didn't appear -- at least this was the case in recent versions of FF, can't swear it's so in latest. Other sites can lack "Search" buttons that appear in Chrome & Safari, or their forms don't work in FF but do in other browsers. It's a real problem.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by RicoElectrico on Saturday May 28, 2022 @06:58AM (#31539300)
asos.com did not work properly on FF until recently. Opening some categories would yield an "oops" error. Seems it's fixed in the latest release, but it goes to show how fucked up is webdev if nobody from asos.com tested it with Firefox.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by guerrilla on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:13AM (#31539709)
What... I've used it for years. Never seen this. Maybe it was temporary.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by RicoElectrico on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:35AM (#31539835)
It persisted for a few months. Probably it had to do with PL locale, as they did not strip diacritics in category names from URLs

Oh, and I did turn off uBlock Origin, for that matter.

Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by guerrilla on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:42AM (#31539883)
Okay, I can see that being a thing. I've only used it in Swedish and English.
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by supernovae on Saturday May 28, 2022 @11:01AM (#31540849)
Fidelity's website is busted in firefox a lot of the time
Re:Reasons to ditch Chrome and use Firefox by cmbailey on Monday May 30, 2022 @07:25AM (#31557850)
Chipotle.com - can’t order