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Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by unwind on Thursday May 19, 2022 @04:34AM (#31432132)
Every time blueberries are mentioned in a US context, it's just as jarring! It's a rather simple/common thing, and yet it is not the same all over the world.

Over here in northern Europe (Sweden), what we would call a blueberry is what you would call a bilberry [1], and what you would call a blueberry is referred to as an American blueberry (or maybe a cultivated blueberry).

They're all awesome of course, and not having to bend the fsck down to pick the things is a nice feature of the American ones.

Edit: weirdly enough the Wikipedia page for the bilberry doesn't even link to the Swedish page for the same berry [2].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilberry

[2]: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A5b%C3%A4r

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by leto_ii on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:11AM (#31432667)
> Over here in northern Europe (Sweden), what we would call a blueberry is what you would call a bilberry

Thanks for pointing out the distinction. In my home country of Romania we also tend to think of bilberries when we're talking about this kind of berry. Traditionally they grow wild, mostly in mountainous areas - they are very flavorful and not so sweet.

Until just now I actually assumed "supermarket" blueberries were just a crappier version of the real thing :)) Good to know they're two distinct plants altogether.

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by 988747 on Thursday May 19, 2022 @08:41AM (#31433812)
>> crappier version of the real thing

That's exactly what I think about American blueberries as well. Got used to "bilberries" in Poland.

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by Broken_Hippo on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:31AM (#31433135)
The blueberry you know is much better: I moved to Norway, tried the berries growing in the forest, and now the fresh supermarket berries always disappoint me. Hopefully, I'll to pick enough to make a blueberry liqueur this summer.
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by lb1lf on Thursday May 19, 2022 @08:00AM (#31433387)
-Presumably you are familiar with the Finnish Mustikka liqueur already?

Lovely with a little lime and ice, but I agree - making your own is something else!

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by Broken_Hippo on Thursday May 19, 2022 @04:26PM (#31439732)
-Presumably you are familiar with the Finnish Mustikka liqueur already?

Yes, I have some in the liquor globe right now, alongside some cloudberry!

And you are correct - I find making liqueur quite fun. Right now, I have plum leftover from last year and want to make some spruce tip liqueur if I can catch the trees at the right time.

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by thatcherc on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:33AM (#31433145)
In the US these are usually considered wild blueberries, and the best ones of course come from Maine. The wild Maine blueberries[0] are a Vaccinium that grow on scrubby bushes low to the ground that can be hand-picked or harvested from blueberry barrens[1] with special rakes. Much better than the big supermarket blueberries in terms of flavor and pie-making ability. I'm curious to try some of the Swedish variety to see how they compare!

[0] - https://extension.umaine.edu/blueberries/home/public-2/

[1] - example blueberry barren: https://downeast.com/images/blueberry-barrens-5/

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by jessegrosjean on Thursday May 19, 2022 @08:13AM (#31433504)
Two thumbs up for Maine blueberries! I made my summer money from 5 years old through college raking them. Piece work, around $2.50 per 5 gallon bucket.
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by weberer on Thursday May 19, 2022 @08:20AM (#31433563)
It should be noted that American wild blueberries (low bush blueberries) are a different species than bilberries. You can sometimes find people selling wild blueberry jam.
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by jhoechtl on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:03AM (#31435596)
In Austria we call them Heidelbeeren. Some call them Blaubeeren which is a 1:1 translation to blueberry. TIL that the English name for them is bilberry.

For those who only now blueberries, bilberries are more tasteful, smaller and are hard to grow in cultivation yet easily cover the forest floor when humidity and dabbled shade conditions are favorable.

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by perihelions on Thursday May 19, 2022 @04:50AM (#31432223)
It looks like that's because the en. version got fragmented into two articles, only the second of which is linked with the sv.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilberry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccinium_myrtillus

fr. and it. are also split this way.

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by thematrixturtle on Thursday May 19, 2022 @05:40AM (#31432508)
That's because "bilberry" is somewhat ambiguous, there are other related but distinct berries like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccinium_uliginosum.
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by SemanticStrengh on Thursday May 19, 2022 @05:55AM (#31432587)
Bilberry is ~the only drug found to reduce myopia progression
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by samstave on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:47AM (#31436233)
Where can I read more about this
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by SemanticStrengh on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:10PM (#31440796)
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by bregma on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:00AM (#31432926)
Where I live we can go to the grocers and get huge tasteless waxen "domestic" highbush blueberries wrapped in cellophane, or we can go into our bush and pick a few tiny lowbush "wild" blueberries and enjoy the massive flavour. Same goes for strawberries. Orders of magnitude more flavour but tinier and not long-lasting.

It's great that a lot of work went into breeding and hybridizing these fruits so they ship well so city dwellers can buy them, and they look great so you're enticed to pick up packages of them at the supermarket, but they're really a shadow of their origins. Once you've tried the original, it's hard to go back.

I say this as someone with a few dozen highbush blueberry (and domestic strawberry) plants in my garden because finding and picking the wild kind is work.

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by psd1 on Thursday May 19, 2022 @12:52PM (#31437059)
I've never seen blueberries growing over here in the UK, but you are absolutely right about strawberries. The best are the tiny alpine varieties with fruit smaller than a pinky nail. I would rather have three of those gems than a punnet of greenhouse giants
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by snikeris on Thursday May 19, 2022 @05:47AM (#31432543)
I’m a big fan of frozen blueberries. They last much longer, you don’t need to wash or examine them, and if you mix them in plain (sugar free) yoghurt you’ve got almost instant blueberry fro yo.
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by christkv on Thursday May 19, 2022 @04:43AM (#31432182)
Growing up I was convinced the Scandinavian blueberries where the standard. Then I found that in fact it's not a blueberry but instead bilberry. However still like them better.
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by jfk13 on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:05AM (#31432631)
Yes! Freshly gathered before breakfast, they're one of the joys of Swedish summer. OK, they're not as convenient to cultivate at scale as the American blueberry, but they easily win on taste!
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by actionfromafar on Monday May 23, 2022 @06:32AM (#31477239)
I like them both very much. American blueberry is (when ripe) very sweet, like a candy almost. Bilberry (=blueberry to me) is very flavourful. Sometimes I want one, sometimes the other.

Bilberries really taste nice in milk for instance, or for flavouring icecream.

American blueberries don't add much to icecream, they sort of disappear in the general sweetness, but taste great on their own.

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by barbegal on Thursday May 19, 2022 @10:03AM (#31434791)
If you've ever seen bilberries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilberry growing in the wild then you'll know that they grow in "poor" acidic soils. Often alongside other similar acid loving plants like heather and rhododendrons. It would not have been much of a "discovery" to realise that need an acidic soil but maybe more of a discovery that they grow better when aided by fungi.
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by TinkersW on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:33AM (#31432790)
Should do this for Huckleberrys, they are even better tasting than Blueberries..
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by JoeAltmaier on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:09AM (#31435692)
My wife picked and made Huckleberry jam one year. Threw the pressings (seeds and stems) into the compost heap.

Next spring - massive patch of Huckleberry vines! around the compost heap.

I found them to be mild not strong in flavor. To each their own.

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by SulphurSmell on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:03AM (#31435590)
I grew up in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. Blueberries are a big part of living there. They grow wild all over the area, and there are always pickers scrambling around the rocks...free for all! Everyone seems to have "their spot" for best picking. I can say, for sure, that the small, intensely coloured berries I grew up with are far better than the monsters you find in the supermarkets.

Here is link to a .pdf that talks bout the particulars of blueberries in Sudbury Credit: Joe D. Shorthouse is Professor Emeritus in Department of Biology at Laurentian University

https://www.blueberryfestival.ca/Blueberries%20-%20Star%20St...

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by jacquesm on Friday May 20, 2022 @07:54AM (#31446103)
Sudbury is quite amazing: if not for one 'little' accidental impact that whole city would be 1/100th the size it is.
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by SulphurSmell on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @04:23PM (#31587545)
I think 1/100th is generous!
Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by subpixel on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:07AM (#31432969)
I’m lucky to live surrounded by Vaccinium angustifolium, aka wild low sweets.

Last year I picked 20lbs and also bought 40lbs of wild Vaccinium myrtilloides, aka sour tops.

My chest freezer was a quarter full of blueberries and I’m on my last 2lbs this week.

A bowl of frozen blueberries with milk is a great breakfast, and of course blueberry pancakes, muffins, and crumble!

Re:The Delicious Origins of the Domesticated Blueberry (2016) by dukeofdoom on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:35AM (#31433158)
Mosquitoes pollinate blueberries in Alaska, according to a tour guide on a trip there.