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Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by the_duke on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:33PM (#31170464)
Musk always does aggressive layoff rounds until the company is in a solidly profitable state, as could be seen at Tesla and SpaceX.

So an employee revolt would neither be unexpected nor entirely unreasonable.

Note: not to imply that SpaceX is profitable, they certainly are deep in the red due to Starlink and Starship. But that's by choice.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by crackercrews on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:45PM (#31170625)
I wouldn't have wanted to work at Twitter as it previously existed, but I'm curious now. I think Musk could be a better leader of the company. And I might like to be part of the changes that are coming even if I disagree with some of them. Any idea how someone could get in the queue to be hired at the new Twitter?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by brink on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:13PM (#31171012)
I'm in the same boat - there's no way I would have worked at Twitter a year ago; but now I would consider it. Elon's acquisition has made me much more optimistic about the outlook of the company. If Twitter has a mass exodus after the acquisition, I'm sure there's a wave of open-minded engineers ready to take their place.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by recuter on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:25PM (#31171176)
Twitter: 500 million tweets a day. WhatsApp: 65 billion messages a day.

Is writing better spam filters / bot detection really so fun sounding? I don't get the fascination, it just seems like one of the most boring websites in the world. (Not being sarcastic)

It is up and running for a long time already, written and rewritten and rerewritten.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by mensetmanusman on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:30PM (#31171247)
Twitter: 500 million public posts a day.

WhatsApp: 0 public posts a day.

This might be comparing apples to oranges, as one is more like a global town square, and one is more like a postal service.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by twblalock on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:28PM (#31171230)
You know there's a lot more going on inside a company that serves that kind of traffic than just spam filters, right?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by recuter on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:34PM (#31171314)
Sure. And I know it isn't directly comparable to WhatsApp but it isn't mind boggling scale really.

You want to work on the adtech side of it there's quite a few of those exchanges similar in size around, they just aren't house hold names. Where is the fun? I'm genuinely asking.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by humanwhosits on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:21PM (#31171126)
What happens to comp in a large private company like this? Do they just pay lots of cash netflix-style?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by mattchamb on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:35PM (#31171336)
I've seen companies in similar situations stop issuing RSUs but also not increase cash comp in order to encourage people to leave as their RSUs vest.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by therealdrag0 on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @01:29AM (#31176655)
Why would you want to encourage employees to leave? I understand there’s desired attrition of bad employees but isn’t most attrition undesirable? How do you build product by pushing out experience?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by mattchamb on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @07:32AM (#31178632)
In the case I am most familiar with, private equity is involved. They want to get rid of the expensive people and replace them with people in cheaper locations because they view people as interchangeable.

It is going about as well as you can imagine.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by tomrod on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:34PM (#31171318)
My understanding (outsider / second hand) is that Musk reduces wages. Others may have better info.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by acchow on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:28PM (#31171222)
I imagine Twitter employees' RSUs are getting bought out as well and it would make sense to just stop issuing more RSUs.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by mensetmanusman on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:28PM (#31171228)
Yes
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by jeffy90 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:58PM (#31170834)
wait for the acquisition to happen and then use the same methods you'd use to get an interview at any other company.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by joncrane on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:10PM (#31170977)
Why wait until after the acquisition? Have Twitter also announced a hiring moratorium?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by staunch on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:16PM (#31171075)
It's often better to be hired by the new guard rather than the old guard in situations like this. Your entire department/team might get the axe.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by kasey_junk on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:19PM (#31171101)
Because there is a high chance of layoffs post acquisition and when that happens they won’t go asking if you were a “new” twitter person or not.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by nimbius on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:56PM (#31170813)
Like most of Elons strategic vision, its hardly a tactic he came up with on his own. his operating strategy is similar to a few historic figures i can think of.

Sears CEO Eddie Lampert was so ruthless in his cost cutting he would pit his own divisions of sears against eachother for bonuses an even continued employment. he declared a moratorium on any in-store livery updates for 25 years and played the company off its stock to increase its value. the guy bilked sears for personal wealth hovering around 2bn and left shareholders holding the bag.

Al Dunlap, former Sunbeam CEO, was so ruthless people called him "chainsaw al." he was notorious for massive layoffs, factory shutdowns, and threatening physical violence against board members. the guys famous catchphrase was "if you want to be liked, get a dog." he died in 2019, but is really only remembered for massive accounting fraud nowadays.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by staunch on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:26PM (#31171195)
Those examples couldn't be less like Musk's strategy. There are both good/ethical and bad/wrong reasons to do layoffs. Musk's primary strategy at Tesla has been to create innovative products that people want to buy in huge numbers.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by nimbius on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:50PM (#31172317)
Youre correct. perhaps a more salient example is in order.

https://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/tesla-fires-hundreds-of-wo...

Tesla arguably chose to fire 1200 people to avoid paying their severances.

https://electrek.co/2019/05/24/tesla-cost-cutting-effort-toi...

Teslas 2019 cost cutting effort included basic hygene products like toilet paper, arguably an inconsequential operating expense. Employees had to bring their own to work.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by lupire on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:37PM (#31174516)
Tesla's model is to profit by lobbying for subsidies and ignoring laws.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by thehappypm on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:33PM (#31171304)
I agree, nothing about Tesla and SpaceX has anything to do with a aggressive cost cutting type of strategy
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by WYepQ4dNnG on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:42PM (#31170595)
I am glad I did not join them last year when I had the chance. Went for a FAANG instead. I see pure chaos for the foreseeable future.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by renewiltord on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:54PM (#31170784)
That's probably for the best for both parties. Twitter sounds really freaking exciting right now. If I were leaving uni, I would be rushing to get in there instead of a FAANG. If mad product development happens, you'll have a chance to be there, making it work. The only reason I'm not is that I've got even more fun going on.

But FAANG folks self-select as low-variance people in general, so it's best that they seek low-variance outcomes. Happiness is in indulging your true nature.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by WYepQ4dNnG on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:07PM (#31172527)
I suggest you to keep practicing those leetcode ...
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by renewiltord on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:17PM (#31172624)
Haha, top bants. I genuinely love it.

FWIW I wasn't insulting anyone. Evidence that I'm not a hater:

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30980395

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30960680

Low-variance outcomes are just that: low-variance. If you're a decent FAANG engineer, you're making in the $500k at least by your 5th year, if not earlier, which puts your net worth at 50 at around $25 million. Pretty good outcome and quite certain.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by nextlevelwizard on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:55PM (#31184225)
That's pretty petty
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by gedy on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:45PM (#31170628)
Reminds me - why was Twitter never considered a FAANG? FATNAG, etc.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by kemiller on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:56PM (#31170799)
The way things are trending, it's going to be FAAG soon, which is not so good. I guess, technically, it's not F anymore, so it's MAAG, which is almost as perilous. But if we're truly being technical, it's not G, it's a, in which case it's MAAA, in which case we might as well go with GOAT.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by _Algernon_ on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:10PM (#31170970)
MAAG or MAGA? Oh, wait
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by WYepQ4dNnG on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:06PM (#31172514)
I think FAANG should be renamed to MAAG the only companies that will continue to dominate the tech industry at least of the next 2 decades ...

Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google

Everything else ... not so sure ...

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by kemiller on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:21PM (#31174393)
I think Meta is probably here to stay, but you're right Microsoft should probably be in there. So, GAMMA.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by anecd0te on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:48PM (#31170688)
Cramer used it to refer to high growth tech stocks that dominate their markets and have large market caps, Twitter was none of those.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by nemothekid on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:49PM (#31170708)
FAANG was coined by Wall Street and refers to high growth stocks (which is why it didn't also include Microsoft).
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by ffggvv on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:56PM (#31170808)
msft has grown as much or more than google and apple. (and more than fb and netflix)
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by whymauri on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:04PM (#31170904)
Not when the term was coined in 2013. It's honestly outdated.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by peter303 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:27PM (#31171213)
MSFT stock mostly stagnant during Balmer, growth during Gates and Nadella. Balmer had bad luck expanding into new areas.
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Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by astrange on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:14PM (#31173269)
I think the worst problem is it’s made everyone think Netflix is a tech company, including themselves apparently.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by mensetmanusman on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:32PM (#31171291)
At the time MS was old hat. They only grew because Office 365 extended their natural monopoly in enterprise. Definitely a good stock pick in hindsight, but not the new type of ‘new’ platform growth that was going on at FAANG at the time.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by chollida1 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:00PM (#31170862)
For the same reason Microsoft wasn't.

There are only so many letters you can use to make a word and some companies had to be dropped.

The original meaning was a term to describe the big tech companies.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by 0xB31B1B on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:49PM (#31170709)
because it never made money and had poor user growth metrics, FAANG companies are like 10x the size
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by favorited on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:49PM (#31170706)
If memory serves it has a much smaller number of employees.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by ffggvv on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:55PM (#31170791)
it was a made up stock market acronym. twitter hasnt performed well.

bigger question is why was microsoft not part of it? mainly because it didnt form a catchy word.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by pradn on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:47PM (#31170684)
Not big enough.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by bluedino on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:53PM (#31170777)
Why not Tesla?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by fennecfoxen on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:19PM (#31171106)
Tesla isn't a mass-market software/online-services business. They manufacture, which means a lot of capital going into factories and a lot higher of material-input costs, and they're kind of a high end brand.

This gives their business different performance characteristics from Facebook (mass market social-media and ads), Amazon (mass market sales and logistics), Apple (which is at least slightly luxury, but contracts out its manufacturing, and does mass market hardware — look at that iPhone sell), Netflix (mass market entertainment), and Google (mass market search, mail, advertising).

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by postalrat on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:32PM (#31171286)
Amazon and apple probably both have more capital invested in factories, warehouses, etc than Tesla does. Apple is also kinda a high end brand. They seem a lot more similar than different.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by fennecfoxen on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:53PM (#31171565)
You might be thinking of contract manufacturers like Foxconn.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by bpodgursky on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:36PM (#31170491)
You could lay off half of the 7,000 employee Twitter workforce with absolutely no product impact.

It's not just about profitability, it's a bloated, ineffective, behemoth.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by skippyboxedhero on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:44PM (#31170613)
A fact I have always found baffling about most tech companies.

You read on here: it is just tales of giga, 10x programmers...I only work at companies with sufficient technological prowess, 7 figures, I expect my workplace to be staffed with those of similar intelligence to myself, Ivy League PHds only, send me full resumes of everyone who will be on my team, I only deal with problems that are world-changing...on and on.

You read financial statements: inept management, no controls, massive staff expenses, development budget is usually totally out of whack with revenue, growth in staff faster than revenue, struggle to develop new features (despite a relatively simple product), over-engineered, bloated maintenance...on and on.

Financial statements don't lie (the consistency between these two stories is: most engineers are massively overpaid, they aren't good at doing useful things, many tech companies have monopoly products, they then hire lots of engineers who do nothing but bloviate about how influential they are).

In the case of TWTR, comically mismanaged company. I don't know where the bloat is but Dorsey isn't someone who should be running a listed company (and has crashed and burned several times at Twitter alone). The guy who he appointed was an obvious stooge who was clearly not up to it. If nothing else, hopefully Musk will put them back on an even keel (I don't Musk is a good exec either, but this job is far simpler than Tesla so hopefully he will bring them back to an even keel).

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by zeroonetwothree on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:52PM (#31170766)
Another interpretation is that this has nothing to do with engineers, rather organizing any large organization to do useful work is difficult because of information asymmetry and politics.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by skippyboxedhero on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:44PM (#31171452)
So no company is well-run? We just give everyone A+ and say how impossible the whole thing is?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by tomrod on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:39PM (#31171381)
Which is defined by the manager roles (exec and production line), who hire the engineers.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by 0xB31B1B on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:52PM (#31170752)
eh, in most cases I have seen, it is the product org that is dysfunctional, not the engineering org. The people who are paid to know how to make money are often not good at making money. That leads to poor morale, loss of trust of eng team, and the rise of bullshit work.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by skippyboxedhero on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:54PM (#31171572)
Ah, ofc...it is someone else's job to grub for money. You just like people to give you the money...a bit like pre-Revolutionary France, someone else gets their hands dirty, gives you the money for cultural reasons.

The purpose of my comment wasn't to suggest how to remedy the situation but your answer is indicative: there is no separation between money-making and non-money making (engineers' viewpoint, as with everyone else, on who is making the money tends to vary quite significantly...when it is pay discussions, they are responsible...when a product has gone wrong, I can't believe these managers did this to me), if you work at a company your job is to make money...that is where your salary is coming from, customers. The precise problem is that so many engineers are paid for specialising in arcane knowledge unrelated to any revenue or consumer demand. In my experience, companies that move this responsibility over to engineers do better (indeed, companies that don't, won't survive at all...the only reason these jobs exist is because some tech companies happen to have monopoly products and choose to overhire...if banks had a monopoly product, you would see a profusion of very over-educated people specialising in some arcane area of finance with no consumer demand but which get hired for cultural reasons).

There is no-one else to blame. The distinction between product and engineering is a function of dysfunction.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by morelisp on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:04PM (#31170910)
Bay Area / startup engineering culture is an absolute dysfunctional mess. No consequences, either you land the next funding round on promises of scaling up or just jet off to the next job before any of your decisions matter. One of the main reasons I was happy to leave.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by ultimoo on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:53PM (#31170779)
> The guy who he appointed was an obvious stooge who was clearly not up to it.

Curious to know why you think so?

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by skippyboxedhero on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:43PM (#31171445)
Because he totally mishandled the bid, his communication skills were terrible, it was an internal tech hire (I do not know the process, but was it competitive?), TWTR's board is notoriously dysfunctional (so I am guessing they just went with what Dorsey said, they were quite happy to let him run the company off a cliff...so why not let him appoint his successor), and he appears to have been on leave for a large part of 2021 (when the shit started to make contact with the fan for TWTR).

But he also gave the impression consistently of someone who was in the wrong job. Communication is an important skill for a CEO, the least worrying interpretation is that he was making choices about PR with no reference to his PR people...least worrying...if PR actually was involved, that is worse.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by camdat on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:39PM (#31170549)
Is this a number with a source? Or just pulled out of perceived superiority?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by gotaquestion on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:38PM (#31170523)
So you know what they do? Are you Twitter management? Or just the run of the mill know it all?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by bpodgursky on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:04PM (#31170907)
- It took them about two years to replicate Clubhouse, which was built by about 4 engineers in far less time

- They killed Vines, and then proceeded to lose on short videos to TikTok a couple years later with no response

- Their Substack competitor is a joke that nobody uses, and also took years to produce

This is not an organization which ships products! You don't have to be a Harvard MBA to evaluate the output of this organization. The ratio of employees to product development is not in line with any other major engineering organization.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by nightski on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:42PM (#31170593)
The Twitter management receiving a $40M payout if terminated for a poor job? Aka, Parag Agrawal.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by umeshunni on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:26PM (#31172721)
TBH - he did a pretty good job. Stock was at $45 when he became CEO and it is now effectively valued at $54.20, while the NASDAQ is down over 15% in that time period.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by nightski on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:50PM (#31173001)
It was also at $70 when Dorsey left around last October and down to $30 when Elon started buying shares this March. That is a great job?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by adam_arthur on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:24PM (#31171163)
Company was run more as a hobby/toy than a serious attempt at making money.

I was hearing credible stories back in 2014 about them having way too many junior devs with nothing, or very marginal amounts to do.

They had the excesses on the spending side covered without the insane growth or profitability to go along with it. Can be a great business if it's hugely downsized in headcount

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by icedchai on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:15PM (#31171055)
I laughed when I read this headline. Twitter hasn't made any real product updates in years.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by s__s on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:42AM (#31177026)
They just added live voice chat. (Clubhouse) and have been A/B testing a downvote button. The iOS app just got a UI refresh. I’m sure there’s more.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by cjbgkagh on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:37PM (#31171367)
The Thanos approach, half by random lottery. Otherwise it's a corporate politics fight to find out who stays and those who win that fight are more likely to be better at corporate politics and probably not as good at the business of Twitter.

In addition, those who are let go are not tainted as underperformers, just unlucky.

I don't know what 7,000 Twitter employees do but it does seem like a rather high number to me.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by qgin on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:05PM (#31170921)
Managers want to manage people. Beyond a certain size, fiefdoms start growing.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by KarlKemp on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:43PM (#31170607)
I'm having trouble imaging an "ineffective behemoth", but you seem like the person that puts the d in dictionary, so I'll defer to your wisdom.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by john_moscow on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:05PM (#31170917)
The trouble is, people that are actually productive usually suck at convincing the management that they belong to the "good" half.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by spiderice on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:21PM (#31171130)
> nor entirely unreasonable.

Sabotaging your company by secretly pushing code because you suspect a layoff is coming isn't unreasonable?

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by staunch on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:15PM (#31171044)
Sounds like a good first step. Especially if his plan is to run Twitter in a more hands off way. Instead of 7,500 employees, they can probably do the job with 700 people that are specially picked, and make the company much more efficient.

Reddit apparently has 700 employees today, and they haven't done anything significant since they had far fewer employees. Scaling these services just isn't nearly as hard as it used to be, especially given how many more experienced engineers and good technologies exist today.

Twitter should re-build the product to be almost purely software driven, with as little employee intervention as possible. Give users the tools to self-moderate content however they want. For the good of their users and long-term success, they'd be wise to make self-moderation easier to do in a "healthy" way even if it's worse for short-term engagement and revenue. Again, Reddit did this fairly well for years without a huge team.

What Twitter lacks most of all is someone with the guts to risk breaking the product in order to fix the product. The team at Twitter has been visibly afraid to make significant changes, which has left the product weak by modern standards. It's a lot like Apple was before Jobs came back.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by KarlKemp on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:41PM (#31170572)
How can that be seen at Tesla and SpaceX, two companies that he started (more or less), an neither of which is in a "solidly profitable state"?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by dotnet00 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:01PM (#31170871)
Tesla is profitable and SpaceX is currently pouring all their resources into two futuristic megaprojects with high upfront costs, so it's understandable that they aren't "solidly profitable" at the moment.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by VirusNewbie on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:44PM (#31170623)
Tesla made 5B in profit last year and is on track to double that number this year.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by the_duke on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:59PM (#31170843)
SpaceX is investing heavily in two projects (Starlink and Starship), both of which swallow huge amounts of money.

They are definitely not profitable now, but by choice.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by burlesona on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:46PM (#31170647)
Tesla is profitable: https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/20/23031976/tesla-q1-earning...

As SpaceX is privately held we don’t really know.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by aglavine on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:48PM (#31170691)
Both make profits.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by bryanlarsen on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:55PM (#31170795)
Source for the SpaceX profitability? They raised a lot of money last year, which wouldn't be necessary for a profitable company. Falcon is probably profitable, but it only grosses a couple billion a year. OTOH, Starlink and Starship are both $10B+ projects that aren't generating significant revenue yet.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by nightski on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:02PM (#31170879)
I have no idea where you'd get the notion that profitable companies don't need to borrow money for large capital investments.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by bryanlarsen on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:45PM (#31171472)
He didn't borrow money. They issued stock. Significantly, this reduced Elon's share below 50% which I doubt he would have done lightly.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by HWR_14 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @06:11PM (#31173797)
Did he retain 51% of voting rights? A lot of people (e.g. Brin, Zuckerberg) own way less than 50% of their companies but still maintain control.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by 4khilles on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:16PM (#31171068)
Cash flow != profitability. You can be profitable but have negative cash flow. If you have negative cash flow, you need to borrow capital to keep growing.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by croes on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:54PM (#31170785)
Is making profit the same as being in a solidly profitable state?
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by ffggvv on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:40PM (#31170552)
the wokes will protest no matter what. even if he gives them 500k bonuses
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by gkoberger on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:41PM (#31170584)
> the wokes will protest no matter what. even if he gives them 500k bonuses

I won't comment on your first sentence. But your second makes it seem like you believe that everyone is motivated primarily by money. A good amount of people just want to make the world a better place.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by ffggvv on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:53PM (#31170772)
i said it in the context of layoffs in the parent context. even if there were no layoffs and instead they gave people bonuses there still would be unrest. that was the point i was trying to make. that the unrest has nothing to do with layoffs/money
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Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by majormajor on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:52PM (#31170763)
Nah... if anything, the Trump wing of the Right is far less interested in money than the "traditional" business-first wing. For instance, this whole anti-Disney thing in Florida his hardly about wanting more money. It's just about power.
Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by zeruch on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:59PM (#31170847)
Not sure you can separate the two. An underlying presumption is that if power/control is acquired, that allocation of the spoils inevitably follows and that everything will fall in line.

I'm not disputing your statement per se, just that I think it's more of a splitting the difference than much else.

Re:Twitter owner transition: Temporary ban on product update... by KarlKemp on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:46PM (#31170646)
I believe it should be "woken" not "wokes".