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Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by rootusrootus on Sunday April 10, 2022 @04:25PM (#30981339)
I do a simplified version of this. I just use a catchall account with Fastmail and then pick email addresses in the domain randomly. If someone abuses the address, I block it. I specifically do not use addresses that make it obvious what my strategy is. I end up just using a name and number that would look right at home on gmail.

I'm also not trying to stop tracking, so much as I'm trying to have my own semi-permanent equivalent to mailinator that nobody will recognize as such, that I can use to cut back on the amount of spam I get.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by beeboop on Sunday April 10, 2022 @06:44PM (#30982478)
I've been happily using fastmail for years and I think I'm going to be forced to stop. My outbound emails are constantly getting caught in spam and it recently cost me a job offer.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by calvinmorrison on Sunday April 10, 2022 @07:18PM (#30982749)
if you're having this issue I would reach out to Fastmail support. A real human will dig through the smtp logs and find out what the issue is. Based on my experience... Fastmail is very on top of spam, blacklists and other deliverability issues.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by Hakashiro on Monday April 11, 2022 @09:26AM (#30988335)
Oh hey, I'm not alone!

In my case, it costed me two offers. One from Google and one from GitHub. Come to think of it, yeah I will begin migrating everything away from FastMail and stop using it completely.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by csomar on Monday April 11, 2022 @04:44AM (#30986193)
One event that pissed me off with them: Instead of forwarding an email to SPAM, they simply throw it away instead. Turns out the email was not SPAM (2FA) and I had to go through weeks of support to find out what happened (thank god that you get a human for support but still).

Also I think they are still based in Australia? Would be happy to hear about alternatives.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by PascLeRasc on Sunday April 10, 2022 @07:04PM (#30982647)
I really really want to like Fastmail too, but it’s also cost me a job interview when the RSVP didn’t go through.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by withinboredom on Sunday April 10, 2022 @07:11PM (#30982695)
Are your domains set up correctly? That sounds suspiciously like something isn't set up correctly and their client's thought it was spam.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by PascLeRasc on Sunday April 10, 2022 @09:18PM (#30983489)
I use an @fastmail domain. The issue was how they handle RSVPs when your default calendar is an external one. RSVPing from within Fastmail attempted to Accept as my old Gmail address, who wasn't invited to the interview. On the interviewers end it looked like I didn't respond.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by throwawayboise on Sunday April 10, 2022 @10:18PM (#30983843)
In some contexts, fastmail is viewed as a "throwaway" email provider. I ran into this when I was trying to provision a couple of VMs at a hosting provider. My fastmail email address was rejected. After contacting their support, they said they did not accept "throwaway" email addresses. I had to use a gmail acccount. The irony did not seem apparent to them.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by satyamkapoor on Monday April 11, 2022 @02:53AM (#30985501)
My only scare with not using gmail and outlook calendars. However I moved to Zoho for mails and nextcloud self hosted for calendars. For mail delivery I make sure to verify again n again my SPF DKIM is valid or not but it’s a scare still :(

Isn’t it so bad that it’s overly hard to move away :(

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by itsthejb on Monday April 11, 2022 @03:49AM (#30985849)
With your own domain? Make sure you’ve got an the SPF, DKIM set up correctly, and register your domain with gmail’s postmaster tools. I moved my domain recently, and had completely forgotten about all that stuff I’d set up years ago. Started losing mails, redid the setup
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by BOOSTERHIDROGEN on Monday April 11, 2022 @04:55AM (#30986270)
Any references about spf, dkim, Gmail postmaster ?
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by nvarsj on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:16AM (#31039871)
I wonder if you can provide more context. I've only had issues when I tried to use external domains, e.g. gmail, as my reply-to when sending in fastmail.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by b1n on Sunday April 10, 2022 @04:38PM (#30981465)
I've been thinking of a new way to use my email...

- Only use one email address: [email protected]

- Always add a filter: [email protected]

- Send all emails without a filter to SPAM

Since it's not a common strategy, it is much more likely that spammers remove the +hn before sending an email than add one.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by VTimofeenko on Sunday April 10, 2022 @05:13PM (#30981764)
I have tried this approach. Unfortunately, some services will not accept plus sign in the username no matter what RFC says. On top of that, some services seem to not like seeing the service name in the username. I.e. foo.tld will refuse sending email to [email protected].
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by quitit on Monday April 11, 2022 @04:46AM (#30986211)
Shopify also flags orders (even if they are fully paid) when the customer's email contains the shop's name. I'm sure their logic is that it helps cut down on fraud.

I prefer the system of using a basic abbreviation in the email address to avoid these types of filters but still make the email easily traceable later. Say your name is joe smith and you're buying from Sports Online. Something like [email protected] works well for later confirming whom you gave the address to.

I like this approach because one doesn't have to track all of the catch-all emails made on the fly, since finding out who you originally gave that email to is just a matter of searching your past email and noticing that "spo" looks more like those old Sports Online emails and not the new spam from discounted wholesale fancy rugs.

Apart from seeing who a company has on-sold your information to (or more rarely had a staff member steal their database), it's also an easy way to see who has been hacked.

One other reason not to use something like [email protected] is that some websites exist merely as credential honeypots and those types are usually aware of this approach and will then typically exploit the catch-all for spamming. The shady All on MP3 service was known for doing this. (I'm pretty sure that site existed solely to exploit the fact that most people used the same password for everthing.)

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by Semaphor on Sunday April 10, 2022 @11:32PM (#30984308)
> I.e. foo.tld will refuse sending email to [email protected].

While I never had that issue, I had Foo’s legal service contact me about using their trademarked name in my email (a short explanation cleared it up)

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by kevin_thibedeau on Monday April 11, 2022 @02:10AM (#30985257)
It is better to use this scheme with an underscore or hyphen as they won't be rejected by incompetents like plus is.

name_nospam@blah

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by Semaphor on Monday April 11, 2022 @02:56AM (#30985517)
I actually use [email protected].
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by JimDabell on Sunday April 10, 2022 @06:38PM (#30982434)
Some mail providers support receiving mail on arbitrary hostnames, so you can set up a wildcard MX record and then use [email protected] instead. This avoids email validation issues with plus addresses, spammers don’t try removing any parts of the hostname, and I think in the many years I have been using it I’ve only run into a problem with including the service name once or possibly twice.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by drexlspivey on Monday April 11, 2022 @08:24AM (#30987728)
AFAIK the only provider that supports that is Fastmail and it kinda defeats the purpose of using your own domain because if you are forced to migrate you are toast.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by ricg on Monday April 11, 2022 @05:54AM (#30986599)
Which mail providers support this? I'd like to set up something like this. Thanks!
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by strboul on Sunday April 17, 2022 @05:21AM (#31059595)
StartMail supports a form of this called as "aliases" with the StartMail domain.

https://www.startmail.com/

(Disclosure: I work at StartMail.)

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by paledot on Monday April 11, 2022 @08:49AM (#30987958)
I do this with ProtonMail. I have it set on a subdomain, though: my regular email is [email protected], while my account email is [email protected]. This avoids the spam sent to asdf@everydomain.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by lloeki on Monday April 11, 2022 @06:34AM (#30986867)
Fastmail, can't recall if assuming you want to achieve something like name+tag@domain it would be [email protected] or [email protected] (IIRC the latter)
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by JimDabell on Monday April 11, 2022 @06:46AM (#30986932)
You can do this with Fastmail by going to Settings => Domains => Edit => Routing.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by ricg on Monday April 11, 2022 @07:19AM (#30987160)
Thanks a lot! I'll give it a try.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by tlavoie on Monday April 11, 2022 @07:14PM (#30996424)
Some MTAs (Postfix at least) allows other characters. I use an underscore, which seems universally accepted. For the second problem, there's usually some alternative mangling that would still be unique-enough, or just flee because they seem too aggressive on the data harvesting.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by vmception on Sunday April 10, 2022 @05:39PM (#30981991)
would not recommend

not only can you not sign up to many services, customer support can often get confused when you need to email reply to them and you cannot email from your aliased email. they see you as a separate user not in their system, or the wrong person replied to the support ticket, etc.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by rootusrootus on Sunday April 10, 2022 @07:33PM (#30982846)
On Fastmail, at least, this isn't a big issue. For a catchall account, if I reply to an email[0] it automatically addresses the reply as from the alias. It is editable in place, too, in case I want to give it some other name.

[0] In their webmail client, of course

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by ohlookabird on Monday April 11, 2022 @01:56AM (#30985180)
But why would you not be able to reply with the aliased email? I do this regularly. Of course your mail client needs to support this, but using Mutt this is absolutely no problem (just change the FROM header) and I have heard from other users who use Thunderbird that they can also create new identities (just not as easy on the fly). In fact I wrote a small script for Mutt that would automatically set the correct sender if I reply to an email that contained a wildcard. Works pretty well.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by mackmgg on Sunday April 10, 2022 @06:27PM (#30982351)
Can you not reply from a [email protected] alias? I use the catchall approach (so just [email protected] when signing up for foo), but if I need to email customer support I'll just send the email from [email protected]. I've never tried that with a + in the account though to see if my client supports it.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by IAmEveryone on Sunday April 10, 2022 @06:35PM (#30982412)
Gmail also ignores the dot. If you choose a 17-character mailbox name, you can use any one of 2^16 different patterns of placing dots between them.

Capitalisation could also be used for such a purpose, but may be more likeely to accidentally get stripped.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by mushyhammer on Sunday April 10, 2022 @08:09PM (#30983095)
Dots are useful to create new accounts on the same site, but you can’t use it to just tell websites apart (because there’s no label)
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by 3-cheese-sundae on Sunday April 10, 2022 @04:32PM (#30981413)
I used to do it this way too, but got overwhelmed by dictionary attacks.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by plsbenice34 on Sunday April 10, 2022 @06:16PM (#30982271)
Fastmail seems to be based in Australia unfortunately, so it is not secure
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by withinboredom on Sunday April 10, 2022 @07:03PM (#30982637)
There is nothing secure about email. It's less secure than Telnet.

You can email anyone on the internet as anyone and it will be delivered with NO validation. Clients may/may not validate any DKIM signature and the may/may not validate that it actually came from the domain. It's literally the easiest thing on earth to spoof.

Email is sent over cleartext, it is not encrypted. Anyone can read email if they can inspect packets.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by gruez on Sunday April 10, 2022 @09:59PM (#30983727)
>Email is sent over cleartext, it is not encrypted. Anyone can read email if they can inspect packets.

That's obviously false if you bothered to do a bit of searching: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Mail_Transfer_Protocol#...

>You can email anyone on the internet as anyone and it will be delivered with NO validation. Clients may/may not validate any DKIM signature and the may/may not validate that it actually came from the domain. It's literally the easiest thing on earth to spoof.

That might be true for some systems, but for most services out there, having missing/invalid anti-spoofing measures will result in your mail ending up in spam or not delivered at all.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by josephg on Monday April 11, 2022 @04:03AM (#30985937)
> but for most services out there, having missing/invalid anti-spoofing measures will result in your mail ending up in spam or not delivered at all.

You would think so.. but its remarkable how easy it still is to forge email.

My mum was recently the target of such a campaign. She's in the executive team at an international NGO. An attacker found her email address and a bunch of her contacts via the NGO's webpage. Then they forged emails from her email address, with a gmail address set up in the reply-to field. The emails all said it was an emergency, and asked for her colleages to transfer money.

As far as we can tell, most of the emails were delivered and lots of people were fooled - at least for awhile.

Her email address has DKIM and SPF set up, but (like most email providers) it has a lax DMARC policy. It turns out thats all it takes to be vulnerable to this sort of attack.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by tekknik on Monday April 11, 2022 @11:30AM (#30990164)
The NGO could also force people to sign their emails. Refuse it from the SMTP if it’s not.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by josephg on Monday April 11, 2022 @12:03PM (#30990693)
Are you being serious right now? You understand that that'll never happen in our current technology landscape, right?

Outside of a few niche hardcore technologists, nobody knows what PGP is or how to use it. It would be hard enough getting my mum set up to PGP sign her own emails in Outlook, on the desktop and from her phone. (Is that even possible?). Let alone require anyone emailing her PGP sign their email too? Thats never going to happen for so many reasons, both technical and social.

I'm a software engineer and I tried setting up PGP years ago in thunderbird and it only worked for a few weeks, then it somehow broke. And then later I lost my PGP key. Oh, and then I started using webmail and PGP didn't work there at all.

And then later still I realised my public PGP key (signed by my web of trust) leaked details on the identity of my social network; which bothers me a lot more than any problems I've personally ever had with a forged identity.

PGP is dead. Let it go.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by tekknik on Thursday April 14, 2022 @09:36AM (#31026783)
This is just incorrect. Amazon for instance does this.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by justsomehnguy on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:06AM (#30988886)
> That's obviously false if you bothered to do a bit of searching

Technically correct, best kind of correct.

Sure, it is not plaintext, but anyone with the access to the wire could MITM the connections. Maaaaybe something changed in the last ten years, but I never seen someone not accepting a connection with a self-issued certificate and any warnings (to the end user) if the receiver uses self-issued cert. Which makes the whole point quite moot.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by gruez on Monday April 11, 2022 @11:17AM (#30990004)
>but anyone with the access to the wire could MITM the connections. Maaaaybe something changed in the last ten years

The section on MTA-STS describes how that attack is mitigated.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by justsomehnguy on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @05:11AM (#31000270)
> mitigated

For this attack to be mitigated everyone should implement it. Gmail and Live.com has MTA-STS records, Fastmail doesn't, one regional provider with millions of accounts doesn't have it too.

And finally your MTA should support it and be configured to deny the delivery if MTA-STS validation fails (and adversary, who is happily MITMing your traffic, shouldn't fiddle with DNS and HTTPS and of course blocking HTTP/S from the MX would be considered cheating!).

All in all, SMTP traffic is encrypted, but it is not secured.

Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by Gigachad on Sunday April 10, 2022 @06:30PM (#30982373)
Email is not secure full stop. Don't do any kind of sensitive conversation over it regardless of where it is hosted.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by heinternets on Sunday April 10, 2022 @07:02PM (#30982623)
Email using most large providers is transmitted using TLS
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by Gigachad on Sunday April 10, 2022 @08:15PM (#30983130)
TLS is unaffected by any government laws. What I assume OP is referencing is a law that makes end to end encryption problematic in Australia but Fastmail has never offered end to end encryption. Neither do most email providers so it doesn't matter.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by astrange on Sunday April 10, 2022 @09:35PM (#30983587)
If you get a PGP browser extension they all do. It’s pretty inconvenient to use though, sending encrypted attachments and giving the password offline is probably the only thing most people are up to.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by Gigachad on Sunday April 10, 2022 @10:27PM (#30983899)
The location of the fastmail office has zero impacts on this. If the complaint was that the PGP extension was developed in Australia then that would be a valid complaint. But email hosts themselves are not private against government requests.
Re:An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email by astrange on Monday April 11, 2022 @01:13AM (#30984932)
I’m not the one complaining and I’m not sure what their complaint means either.