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Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by HardwareLust on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:16PM (#30276054)
I'll take 53 days. The stress and frustration of having to use an electric or induction stove every day would take a far greater toll.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by abletonlive on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:21PM (#30276137)
Don't know what you're talking about. Induction is far superior.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by giantg2 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:22PM (#30276161)
I feel it's only a matter of time until we start to identify health threats from inductive fields.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by sokoloff on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:25PM (#30276204)
The ones on a induction cooktop are pretty close-coupled and we’re surrounded by other EMF fields (natural and artificial); among the unknown unknown hazards in life, I suspect this one’s pretty low.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by giantg2 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:31PM (#30276341)
Possibly. This seems to state they typically exceed recommended exposure levels. Although I don't know what those levels were set using (what the consequences would be). So probably falls into the category of "everything has some risk or consequence, and it's a trade-off"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22674188/

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by Supermancho on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:43PM (#30276565)
> Don't know what you're talking about.

Obviously. Talking about this is like looking at these articles, which often contradict each other:

https://www.thekitchenguy.net/best-induction-cookware-review...

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/appliances/a28435170/induct...

From my experience:

Accurate and immediate change in cooking temperature is important for many dishes and styles. With Induction, everything is gradual and this cannot be avoided. Might as well be microwaving some dishes. Gas stove wins.

Ambient heat takes longer to dissipate from heated induction stoves which suffer from heat transfer to parts of the appliance, which is mitigated by a fan to a degree. Gas stove wins slightly.

There is a claim that induction stoves and cooktops heat faster than electric and gas counterparts. This is true if you have the correct pan and it's the vast majority of dishes that don't mind the equalized cooking surface. Induction wins slightly.

Gas stove pilot light can go out. Pretty dangerous.

Induction is more expensive and requires new cookware, pushing that further.

The "difficulty" to clean is a matter of learning. Go to home depot and get your glass scraper and cleaning solution, your Induction will be easier than your Gas...although you'll likely clean your Induction more often because of visibility.

Induction is electric. If power goes out, you have no stove. I'm not sure who's worried about cooking in a blackout, but that could be a thing in a cabin, I guess.

I think it largely depends on how good a cook you need to be. If you are looking for finer control, Gas all the way. If you are looking for safety and speed, Induction.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by abletonlive on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:48PM (#30276660)
>With induction, everything is gradual

The opposite. It's pretty much the same as gas. Even your article states so: "Induction stoves and cooktops offer precise temperature control. Electric cooktops take a lot of time to heat up and cool down, and it's difficult to hit a precise temperature with gas ranges. But with induction, you're afforded super precise temperature control which allows for more controlled cooking. When you turn the burner off, heat transfer stops immediately, so there's less of a chance of foods boiling over or overcooking."

>Induction is more expensive and requires new cookware, pushing that further.

I'm not sure if this is true, as far as new cookware. I guess it depends on who you are. I've never had cookware that was incompatible w/ induction.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by Supermancho on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @04:12PM (#30278554)
> Even your article states so

It's almost like you intentionally misunderstood the point. You can select multiple comparisons and come away with different impressions because of such weasel statements as "It's pretty much the same as gas."

It's a subjective statement that cannot equate to some absolute "superior" claim.

> Electric cooktops take a lot of time to heat up and cool down,

An example of the "Gradual" archetype, I mentioned. This is beneficial in some cases and undesired in others.

> But with induction, you're afforded super precise temperature control which allows for more controlled cooking.

Precise temperature control is not the same as "controlled cooking". It's just one quality. The ability to spike/flash heat or spot heat a dish are examples of different forms of control as well.

> When you turn the burner off, heat transfer stops immediately, so there's less of a chance of foods boiling over or overcooking."

In some dishes this is preferred. It is a rare occurrence that you want to overcook (to then take it off and let it cook down as it cools).

Again, many of the points raised by bother sides seem to come down to required competence and skill for meals, rather than some absolute measure of utility.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by abletonlive on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @09:14PM (#30281659)
>Electric cooktops take a lot of time to heat up and cool down

They aren't talking about induction cooktops...they are talking about traditional electric cooktops that use resistance. Induction cooktops are not gradual at all.

> Electric cooktops take a lot of time to heat up and cool down, and it's difficult to hit a precise temperature with gas ranges. But with induction

You need to understand this article is separating into three different categories. Electric (Resistance), Induction, and Gas. I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by dogma1138 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @06:13PM (#30280091)
Induction stoves do not offer that much of a precise temp control at all…

They all use PWM at a fixed stepped setting depending on the stove and most importantly they are far more dependent on the cookware.

Induction on 5 out of 10 can produce very different results when using different cookware for example steel vs cast iron not to mention the crappier induction ready aluminum cookware with a steel plate you get these days from various brands.

Gas has far more precision since it’s an analogue control from 0 to max and it outputs the same amount of BTU on the same setting.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by Turing_Machine on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @02:23PM (#30277171)
Commercial and restaurant kitchens are overwhelmingly gas, even though commercial induction ranges do exist.

If induction were actually far superior, they would have switched by now. They haven't.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by HardwareLust on Thursday February 10, 2022 @10:51AM (#30287892)
I completely disagree. I've had all 3 and gas is far superior to the other two. Yes, induction is better than electric coils but it pales in comparison to gas.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by quasarj on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:42PM (#30276556)
Induction is almost as good as fire, but still not nearly as fast, and of course it doesn't work with 85% of my pans..
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by sliken on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @04:11PM (#30278530)
Every benchmark I've seen, things like boiling a quart of water show induction faster then electric faster than gas for comparable ranges.

You sure about the pans? Generally if a magnet sticks to your pan you are good. You don't need new pans marketed as "induction ready", you just need ones that a magnet can stick to, i.e. not completely aluminum.

Iron = ok, copper bottom = ok, any of the copper/AL/steel type sandwiches is ok. I've got a collection of pans from both sides of the family, years in college, and years since buying from various places. I've yet to find a pan/pon that does't work well.

Also keep in mind that induction creates inside the pot/pan, fire has to start working on the outside and let it conduct through.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by stinkytaco on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:46PM (#30276618)
Induction is far faster in my experience. I've worked with gas cooktops and my induction boils water at least 50% faster, if not more.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by ska on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:24PM (#30276199)
> Induction is far superior.

I think it's a bit of a mixed bag. But surely we can agree electric coils and ifra tops are both terrible?

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by colechristensen on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:29PM (#30276299)
Growing up we had these excellent solid ceramic or metal (still not sure what the material was) burners on the stove. Definitely electric and far better than the coils or glass top burners. Never outside my childhood home have I seen them.

Induction and gas are both good, I would prefer having both ideally, and one of those damn jet engine wok burners too.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by Mountain_Skies on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:24PM (#30276196)
How well does wok cooking work with induction?
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by heydonovan on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:33PM (#30276380)
Disagree. The coils on an induction take way longer to heat up than gas, I've gone through that frustration. How can you beat instant fire? The top of it was always scratched which ruined the kitchen aesthetic.

Also, our gas range saved us during the Texas freeze. Used my lighter to get the gas going and we were able to cook and stay warm for a bit, keeping the window open so we wouldn't die. If I'm out camping, sure, pairs well with my portable solar panels and goal zero.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by benjiweber on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:38PM (#30276479)
Are you sure that's induction? I think time from hob off to to boiling water on induction is much faster (roughly half) gas. Starts heating pan immediately?

Halogen and resistance hobs are less responsive though.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by heydonovan on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:42PM (#30276555)
Am I sure? No, haha. Maybe I don't understand stove terminology. I thought induction were the metal coils that turn red. Maybe induction is different than a regular electric?
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by stinkytaco on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:44PM (#30276585)
Induction uses magnetic fields. You are thinking about a traditional electric stove.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by abletonlive on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:43PM (#30276573)
>The coils on an induction take way longer to heat up than gas

I think you might be confused about what induction is, might be worth a revisit to know the difference between induction vs a traditional electric cooktop.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by sokoloff on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:20PM (#30276118)
I have (and like) gas. I’d happily switch to induction but would never voluntarily go back to resistance electric.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by colechristensen on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:33PM (#30276379)
If you look carefully for the portable induction burners that are rated for ~1.3 kW, they are excellent. You can get them for about $100 and they would replace about half your cooktop usage. Much better for low temperature work and boiling type work.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by sokoloff on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @02:25PM (#30277193)
We have one and it’s great for low-and-slow unattended cooking. We don’t use it for regular/daily cooking because we just don’t have the space to give it, but agreed that it would work technically for a lot of our cooking if it took up space where the cooktop is or if our kitchen was bigger/had more countertop space.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by arcticbull on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:25PM (#30276219)
As someone who loved gas, I have to say, induction cook tops are just as good if not better. You can boil a giant pot of water on an induction top in like 30 seconds flat, if you want. Heat starts and stops instantly. Works great with cast iron and stainless pans.

Resistance cooktops are garbage, though.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by com2kid on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:22PM (#30276153)
I'm thinking of swapping my gas out for an induction, 100% due to health reasons.

What issues due you have with induction? Everything I have seen says they heat up pots faster than gas.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by colechristensen on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:37PM (#30276456)
Get a HEPA filter instead. Lots of cooking methods (especially involving high temperatures with fats) produce terrible air quality by themselves that you can only mitigate with either a prodigious vent fan or lots of HEPA filtration.

I know this from measuring it in my own kitchen, air quality would spike to worse than the worst city globally for hours without filtration or minutes with.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by com2kid on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:51PM (#30276706)
> Get a HEPA filter instead. Lots of cooking methods (especially involving high temperatures with fats) produce terrible air quality by themselves that you can only mitigate with either a prodigious vent fan or lots of HEPA filtration.

> I know this from measuring it in my own kitchen, air quality would spike to worse than the worst city globally for hours without filtration or minutes with.

HEPA filters don't help with NO2 levels. Air filters on the market that advertise activated charcoal are full of it, you need pounds of activated charcoal to make a huge difference, not the tiny little sheet that most filters use.

FWIW I have 2 HEPA filters running, they don't help with spicy food either.

Someone on HN once mentioned a real charcoal filter they had bought that had several pounds in it, but sadly I lost the comment and I don't remember the product they recommended.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by ptkd on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:25PM (#30276207)
have you ever used an induction stove? They are like an order of magnitude better. Easier to clean, much faster to heat stuff
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by asdff on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:30PM (#30276334)
That comes with an order of magnitude higher price to boot and whether these improvements are worth it is going to be subjective. For you, you must like your stove, but for me, the improvements are so slight. It takes me a few mins with a wet paper towel to wipe off grease from the stove after using it, I don't think induction would be that much faster since it would only mean I save the 5 seconds it takes to remove the grates over the burners presumably, since I still have to wipe up anyhow. I never felt like gas was too slow to heat either; the kitchen is full of opportunities for parallelizing tasks while one thing is heating anyway. To me these things just aren't worth the cost to buy a new stove and get rid of my old one that does the job today.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by smallerfish on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:26PM (#30276240)
The UX of ours is mildly annoying - ON, minus to start at mid-temp, plus plus plus plus to get to 7, all with no feedback aside from the beep.

I imagine there are better ones around with knobs or similar.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by Maxburn on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:26PM (#30276225)
And they are your worst days after all.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by rat9988 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:21PM (#30276133)
What stress
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by Arainach on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:27PM (#30276254)
Electric (non-induction) is awful. Slow to heat up. Impossible to rapidly cool either for cooking or to make the stovetop safe to touch/sit things on after cooking. Constantly worrying about "is the burner still hot, will I/a guest accidentally touch it".

Induction can be nice, but I now have to pay careful attention to any cooking vessel I buy until the end of time and ensure that it's compatible. I also would need to run a new 220V outlet along an exterior wall to my kitchen, expand my breaker box (which has been full for a while and is approaching full of half-height breakers), and so on. Not worth it to me.

Gas is simple and reliable. It's instant on, instant off, and works in a power outage so long as I have matches around. I turn on my exhaust fan when I'm using it and have air filters in my house to catch other particulates. I just replaced my gas stove this year - with another gas stove.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by jaywalk on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:25PM (#30276209)
I've never used induction, but electric is horrible. It takes a lot longer to heat things up, for one.