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Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by abletonlive on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:21PM (#30276137)
Don't know what you're talking about. Induction is far superior.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by giantg2 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:22PM (#30276161)
I feel it's only a matter of time until we start to identify health threats from inductive fields.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by sokoloff on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:25PM (#30276204)
The ones on a induction cooktop are pretty close-coupled and we’re surrounded by other EMF fields (natural and artificial); among the unknown unknown hazards in life, I suspect this one’s pretty low.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by giantg2 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:31PM (#30276341)
Possibly. This seems to state they typically exceed recommended exposure levels. Although I don't know what those levels were set using (what the consequences would be). So probably falls into the category of "everything has some risk or consequence, and it's a trade-off"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22674188/

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by Supermancho on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:43PM (#30276565)
> Don't know what you're talking about.

Obviously. Talking about this is like looking at these articles, which often contradict each other:

https://www.thekitchenguy.net/best-induction-cookware-review...

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/appliances/a28435170/induct...

From my experience:

Accurate and immediate change in cooking temperature is important for many dishes and styles. With Induction, everything is gradual and this cannot be avoided. Might as well be microwaving some dishes. Gas stove wins.

Ambient heat takes longer to dissipate from heated induction stoves which suffer from heat transfer to parts of the appliance, which is mitigated by a fan to a degree. Gas stove wins slightly.

There is a claim that induction stoves and cooktops heat faster than electric and gas counterparts. This is true if you have the correct pan and it's the vast majority of dishes that don't mind the equalized cooking surface. Induction wins slightly.

Gas stove pilot light can go out. Pretty dangerous.

Induction is more expensive and requires new cookware, pushing that further.

The "difficulty" to clean is a matter of learning. Go to home depot and get your glass scraper and cleaning solution, your Induction will be easier than your Gas...although you'll likely clean your Induction more often because of visibility.

Induction is electric. If power goes out, you have no stove. I'm not sure who's worried about cooking in a blackout, but that could be a thing in a cabin, I guess.

I think it largely depends on how good a cook you need to be. If you are looking for finer control, Gas all the way. If you are looking for safety and speed, Induction.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by abletonlive on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:48PM (#30276660)
>With induction, everything is gradual

The opposite. It's pretty much the same as gas. Even your article states so: "Induction stoves and cooktops offer precise temperature control. Electric cooktops take a lot of time to heat up and cool down, and it's difficult to hit a precise temperature with gas ranges. But with induction, you're afforded super precise temperature control which allows for more controlled cooking. When you turn the burner off, heat transfer stops immediately, so there's less of a chance of foods boiling over or overcooking."

>Induction is more expensive and requires new cookware, pushing that further.

I'm not sure if this is true, as far as new cookware. I guess it depends on who you are. I've never had cookware that was incompatible w/ induction.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by Supermancho on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @04:12PM (#30278554)
> Even your article states so

It's almost like you intentionally misunderstood the point. You can select multiple comparisons and come away with different impressions because of such weasel statements as "It's pretty much the same as gas."

It's a subjective statement that cannot equate to some absolute "superior" claim.

> Electric cooktops take a lot of time to heat up and cool down,

An example of the "Gradual" archetype, I mentioned. This is beneficial in some cases and undesired in others.

> But with induction, you're afforded super precise temperature control which allows for more controlled cooking.

Precise temperature control is not the same as "controlled cooking". It's just one quality. The ability to spike/flash heat or spot heat a dish are examples of different forms of control as well.

> When you turn the burner off, heat transfer stops immediately, so there's less of a chance of foods boiling over or overcooking."

In some dishes this is preferred. It is a rare occurrence that you want to overcook (to then take it off and let it cook down as it cools).

Again, many of the points raised by bother sides seem to come down to required competence and skill for meals, rather than some absolute measure of utility.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by abletonlive on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @09:14PM (#30281659)
>Electric cooktops take a lot of time to heat up and cool down

They aren't talking about induction cooktops...they are talking about traditional electric cooktops that use resistance. Induction cooktops are not gradual at all.

> Electric cooktops take a lot of time to heat up and cool down, and it's difficult to hit a precise temperature with gas ranges. But with induction

You need to understand this article is separating into three different categories. Electric (Resistance), Induction, and Gas. I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by dogma1138 on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @06:13PM (#30280091)
Induction stoves do not offer that much of a precise temp control at all…

They all use PWM at a fixed stepped setting depending on the stove and most importantly they are far more dependent on the cookware.

Induction on 5 out of 10 can produce very different results when using different cookware for example steel vs cast iron not to mention the crappier induction ready aluminum cookware with a steel plate you get these days from various brands.

Gas has far more precision since it’s an analogue control from 0 to max and it outputs the same amount of BTU on the same setting.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by Turing_Machine on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @02:23PM (#30277171)
Commercial and restaurant kitchens are overwhelmingly gas, even though commercial induction ranges do exist.

If induction were actually far superior, they would have switched by now. They haven't.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by HardwareLust on Thursday February 10, 2022 @10:51AM (#30287892)
I completely disagree. I've had all 3 and gas is far superior to the other two. Yes, induction is better than electric coils but it pales in comparison to gas.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by quasarj on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:42PM (#30276556)
Induction is almost as good as fire, but still not nearly as fast, and of course it doesn't work with 85% of my pans..
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by sliken on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @04:11PM (#30278530)
Every benchmark I've seen, things like boiling a quart of water show induction faster then electric faster than gas for comparable ranges.

You sure about the pans? Generally if a magnet sticks to your pan you are good. You don't need new pans marketed as "induction ready", you just need ones that a magnet can stick to, i.e. not completely aluminum.

Iron = ok, copper bottom = ok, any of the copper/AL/steel type sandwiches is ok. I've got a collection of pans from both sides of the family, years in college, and years since buying from various places. I've yet to find a pan/pon that does't work well.

Also keep in mind that induction creates inside the pot/pan, fire has to start working on the outside and let it conduct through.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by stinkytaco on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:46PM (#30276618)
Induction is far faster in my experience. I've worked with gas cooktops and my induction boils water at least 50% faster, if not more.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by ska on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:24PM (#30276199)
> Induction is far superior.

I think it's a bit of a mixed bag. But surely we can agree electric coils and ifra tops are both terrible?

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by colechristensen on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:29PM (#30276299)
Growing up we had these excellent solid ceramic or metal (still not sure what the material was) burners on the stove. Definitely electric and far better than the coils or glass top burners. Never outside my childhood home have I seen them.

Induction and gas are both good, I would prefer having both ideally, and one of those damn jet engine wok burners too.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by Mountain_Skies on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:24PM (#30276196)
How well does wok cooking work with induction?
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by heydonovan on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:33PM (#30276380)
Disagree. The coils on an induction take way longer to heat up than gas, I've gone through that frustration. How can you beat instant fire? The top of it was always scratched which ruined the kitchen aesthetic.

Also, our gas range saved us during the Texas freeze. Used my lighter to get the gas going and we were able to cook and stay warm for a bit, keeping the window open so we wouldn't die. If I'm out camping, sure, pairs well with my portable solar panels and goal zero.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by benjiweber on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:38PM (#30276479)
Are you sure that's induction? I think time from hob off to to boiling water on induction is much faster (roughly half) gas. Starts heating pan immediately?

Halogen and resistance hobs are less responsive though.

Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by heydonovan on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:42PM (#30276555)
Am I sure? No, haha. Maybe I don't understand stove terminology. I thought induction were the metal coils that turn red. Maybe induction is different than a regular electric?
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by stinkytaco on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:44PM (#30276585)
Induction uses magnetic fields. You are thinking about a traditional electric stove.
Re:My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy b... by abletonlive on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:43PM (#30276573)
>The coils on an induction take way longer to heat up than gas

I think you might be confused about what induction is, might be worth a revisit to know the difference between induction vs a traditional electric cooktop.