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Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by jgrahamc on Friday January 21, 2022 @10:03AM (#30024416)
Maybe it's because I am British but hot water bottles have been something I've owned and used forever. They just exist as a thing you use. To warm the bed, or your feet, or your back. Given that the British also have electric kettles for warming water they are simple to use.

I did try to buy one here in Portugal and I was sent to the pharmacy where they had a tiny little one that you might use for pain relief.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by mattl on Friday January 21, 2022 @10:25AM (#30024761)
Yeah, British expat now American here... I buy people kettles and hot water bottles if I'm going to be at their home for any extended amount of time. Also a toaster.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Turing_Machine on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:24AM (#30025735)
As I understand it, electric kettles never became as popular in the United States (though of course they do exist) because the electrical standards here mean that it's infeasible to make one that works really well -- a British electric kettle might be rated at 3,000 W (about 13 A at 230 V), but a standard U.S. convenience outlet can only provide about 1,800 W (15 A, 120 V). Even the higher-rated 20 amp outlets are only going to get you 2,400 watts. To get 3,000 watts, you'd either need a special circuit (like the ones for RV hookups), or plug it into a dryer or electric range outlet.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by vel0city on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:02PM (#30028347)
I dunno, tons of people I know in the US have electric kettles. Its not like its incredibly painful to use them, and they'll still usually beat out using the microwave to heat water quickly, but only slightly. While it is about half as much power than most of Europe, its still only a few minutes to go from tap water to boiling. It is not like we're talking hours to get it to boil.

From my experience one of the biggest reasons why people don't have an electric kettle is because they often don't think they have a use for them. Tons of people in the US would really only use it for making coffee, of which drip coffee makers were incredibly popular for a long time. So needing fast hot water is somewhat rare, and usually when its needed in regards to cooking you can just measure your water in a measuring cup and microwave it for a couple of minutes which is just about as fast.

The people I know who actually use electric kettles in the US are:

* Those who brew a lot of tea (far less common in US than globally)

* Those who often do alternative coffee brewing methods (pour over, french press, aeropress, etc)

* Those who make a lot of ramen or other instant noodles and have limited kitchen spaces (college students)

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by ssully on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:41AM (#30025994)
I just assumed they never took off here because tea isn't as popular in America. The only people I know who own kettles in America are people who regularly drink tea, including myself.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by time_to_smile on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:21PM (#30029436)
Or pourover coffee which, at least anecdotally, I've seen become much more popular over the years.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by txg on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:59PM (#30029916)
I drink both, but now use my kettle almost exclusively for the awful indulgence of pre-mug warming before dropping in the espresso from my stove-top pot.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by geekbird on Friday January 21, 2022 @07:04PM (#30031626)
So, my roomie is an ex barista. She only does pour over coffee with a Melitta cone and filter. (My wife like K-cups, but they need filtering to get the grounds out.) We have an electric kettle, which we just had to replace because the 15 year old one stopped heating completely.

We also just bought a couple of hot water bottles...

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by wtetzner on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:23PM (#30028665)
I also use mine to make coffee (via a French press).
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by masklinn on Saturday January 22, 2022 @03:56AM (#30034955)
Likewise (via aeropress).
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by js2 on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:16PM (#30026569)
I bought an electric kettle[1] a decade ago shortly after I switched to an Aeropress for coffee. I now drink green tea a couple times a day in addition to my morning coffee. I think most Americans just don't have much cause to heat water for anything except coffee, and they use a coffee maker for that.

My kettle is 1500 watts and I just timed it. Heating a bit over 1L (~36 oz) of water from 68°F (20°C) to 200°F (93°C) took 4:20.

It's one of those things where the first time you use it, you can't imagine ever not having one, assuming you have cause to heat water on a regular basis.

Still don't own a toaster though. A toaster oven does fine with toast and can be used for a lot more besides.

Don't own a rice maker either. That's been an ongoing negotiation with my wife for 25 years now. :-)

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-CPK-17-PerfecTemp-1-7-Liter...

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by vel0city on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:07PM (#30028402)
I have a basic rice cooker and I absolutely love it. Perfect rice every time without having to think too hard about measurements or the time, as the measurements are stamped on the bowl (fill rice here, fill water here) and it will always switch to warming mode at exactly the right time. I wouldn't bother getting a fancy computerized model, the old thermostatic ones are pretty much perfect.

Technology Connections video on old-style rice cookers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSTNhvDGbYI

We have that exact same kettle, its wonderful.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by greenonions on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:09PM (#30030601)
My wife convinced me to buy what I would consider an expensive rice cooker, computerized. Now the rice is fantastic, I'll admit. However, I'm not really convinced that it's worth 6x a basic rice cooker.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Tcepsa on Saturday January 22, 2022 @01:48AM (#30034340)
FWIW we used to make rice on the stove for years and it was fine, but then we got an Instant Pot and it's even better--makes rice that was comparable to what we'd get with the stove, plus all the other stuff you can use it for. So personally I'd encourage you to consider a "smart" pressure cooker with a rice setting rather than a dedicated rice maker.

EDIT: Might also help you tip the balance of the negotiations in your favor ;)

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by gotorazor on Sunday January 23, 2022 @12:22PM (#30048036)
I switched from a basic electric rice cooker to an Instant Pot for rice. The rice is as good as stovetop, but the electric rice cooker is still better. Plus, the electric rice cooker was easier. It has one button and requires less precision when it comes to the amount of water vs rice.

On the other hand, I have a finite amount of kitchen space. So a multi-use device was better than a single-use device.

On a different note: my parents went back to cooking rice on the stovetop for a few months after their electric rice cooker broke. They thought they will just save the money and go back to cooking the way they used to when they were kids. They liked the nostalgia --- but they also like having an extra 30 mins everyday. Stirring the pot over the stovetop and watching the water boil away was not how they wanted to spend their time.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by rootusrootus on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:19AM (#30057834)
> Stirring the pot over the stovetop and watching the water boil away was not how they wanted to spend their time.

I don't understand. When I cook rice on the stove, I leave it alone. Heat until it simmers (takes only a moment, I start with 190F water), put the lid on and turn the heat down to minimum, set timer for 20-30 minutes and walk away.

We even have a rice cooker, too, but it stays in the pantry because it's less convenient to take it down and set it up than just doing a pot on the stove.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by js2 on Saturday January 22, 2022 @06:48PM (#30042072)
It turns out my wife was opposed to an Instant Pot too. Why? I don't know.

But I got one over the holidays anyway[1] because I wanted something for incubating yogurt that could do more than just be an incubator. I've now made yogurt in it maybe eight times and it's come out perfectly every time. I had lots of failures in the past trying other ways of making yogurt. The steady incubation temperature really seems to make a big difference.

I've also used it for a handful of meals, lots of oatmeal, and it's excellent for hard-boiled eggs that are easy to peel.

But I haven't used it for rice yet. My wife just insists on making it on the stove and the reviews I read indicated the Instant Pot isn't particularly great at making rice.

[1] I got the Pro 10-in-1 6 Qt when Amazon had it on sale for $80. I bribed my wife with a Lodge 6 qt dutch oven. It was a fair trade. :-)

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by gotorazor on Sunday January 23, 2022 @12:41PM (#30048277)
My wife is against the instant pot too. It's actually really complicated to use -- especially if you have grown up cooking on the stove top.

The instant pot is superior -- but it is also very very different. It has a long warm up period, but then it cooks things incredibly quickly. Then, you have a long cool down, depressurization period ("natural release"). In the meantime, you have no visibility on how "done" is the food.

The basic disadvantages are as follows: 1) if you're an intuitive cook, you are screwed. There are no windows. You can't see how the food is doing. There is a long depressurization period. You can't take it out. You have to follow a recipe with instant pots. Everything becomes like baking.

2) if you're a recipe based cook, you are screwed. You basically have to throw out all of your existing recipes. It cooks faster for long recipes, but slower for short recipes. The chamber is also entirely enclosed and nothing boils away. None of them works unless you re-adjust the water levels and cooking time.

3) pressurized cookware has a really bad reputation of explosions. You can also very easily burn yourself either on the exposed metal parts or get impatient and accidentally steam yourself. The steam from the instant pot seems a lot hotter than regular steam.

@js2, try it for rice. Just watch a youtube video on it first because the process is very strange if you're used to cooking rice on the stovetop. The ratio of rice:water has to be very precise. You also have to follow the timer clock for the depressurization part.

I re-learned how to make rice just for the instant pot. I read the supplied instructions and then I watch a youtube video. I actually messed it up the first time. I still occasionally use too much water whenever I get careless.

But, I love mine. The rice do come out good. But obviously, it won't be like the way it comes out from a pot. It doesn't burn or form a crust.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by js2 on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:30AM (#30059843)
Will do. I love cooking in front of the stove as much as anyone, but I am _never_ making risotto on the stove top again. The Instant Pot isn't any quicker start to finish, but it saves me 30 minutes of constant attention to the rice ladling in broth.

The IP has its uses, and for those things, it's a great tool.

Oh, it's also really great for making flan.

There's a gazillion recipes for it online, so I haven't worried too much about that.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by bryanlarsen on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:38AM (#30025948)
15A outlets are only rated that for instantaneous current. For continuous current, appliances are only allowed to pull 80%. So kettles in the US are 1400W, half that of British kettles.

Like many modern kitchens, I have 20A outlets. Current code says that you either have to have 20A circuits in the kitchen or split 15A circuits. What the electrician chooses to install depends on whether 14/3 or 12/2 wire is cheaper that day.

One of my pet peeves is that I can't buy a 20A 1900W kettle. There has to be enough market demand for one? Put a big picture of a NEMA 5-20 outlet on the front so that fewer people get confused.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by nums on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:25PM (#30026730)
14/2 or 12/2 :-)
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by bhandziuk on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:34PM (#30026881)
14/3 was right. They were trying to describe a MWBC. Though you can have 20 A MWBCs too (12/3)
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by etblg on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:45AM (#30026073)
Electric kettles are very common in Canada and we have the same power systems as the USA. I've never found that the electric kettles here are painfully slow or anything, it's just a culture thing on who wants boiling water on demand more I guess.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by ska on Friday January 21, 2022 @01:58PM (#30028281)
> I've never found that the electric kettles here are painfully slow or anything,

You probably would if you were used to UK kettles...

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by etblg on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:14PM (#30028518)
I guess, but my kettle finishes boiling right as I finish hand-grinding my coffee beans, so I can't say it's been a big issue in my life.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by rdlw on Saturday January 22, 2022 @12:07AM (#30033789)
Good thing you live in Canada, then, or you'd have to learn to grind faster!
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by gotorazor on Sunday January 23, 2022 @12:47PM (#30048344)
I think that's because it is more common for Canadians to have resistive electric stoves. Americans typically have gas stoves. Boiling water on resistive electric stoves vs electric kettles are kind of the same.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by hadlock on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:01PM (#30029183)
Electric kettles are finally starting to get traction here, we use ours for tea and instant coffee, and pre-boiling water for making noodles on the stove since it's so much more efficient.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by lewsid on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:08PM (#30030598)
I live in the US and have an electric kettle. I was made aware of their existence in my travels abroad. It was a game-changer. Even with our electrical standards my kettle can get to boiling in a mere minute or two.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by refurb on Saturday January 22, 2022 @07:22AM (#30036050)
I always figured it was the popularity of tea in the UK.

Electric Kettles are (or were) ubiquitous when I grew up in Canada and the US. They take a little longer to heat up, but you’re talking 3-4 min instead of 1-2.

My friend got me a gift of a hot water dispenser like they use in Asia and I’ve never looked back. On demand hot water? Even waiting a min for a kettle to warm seems like a burden. They use very little electricity since they are well insulated.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by 0xbadcafebee on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:19PM (#30028607)
Our electric kettles work just fine on 110VAC. We're just isolated from the rest of the world so external cultural changes don't take hold. We still use Imperial measurements and serve half-pints of beer. Same reason Japan has an "old" World Wide Web; it works fine for them, and their culture doesn't change easily.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Turing_Machine on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:23PM (#30029473)
It depends on whether taking more than twice as long to heat the water is "just fine" for your use case.

Me, I use the high output burner on the gas range and a traditional kettle.

Note that other European and Asian kitchen gadgets have had no trouble making inroads in the United States. While some people obviously do have electric kettles here, they're far, far from being the ubiquitous thing they are in British kitchens.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by elliottkember on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:56AM (#30026237)
I recently bought a Zojirushi water boiler. Instant hot water all day. Never going back to a kettle.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by extrapickles on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:52PM (#30027185)
Unless you are in an apartment/condo in the US (which can have 208V), you likely have 240V power in your house. I have a 240V 15A outlet in my kitchen so I can use a British kettle with a swapped plug. It would be nice if it was standard to have 240V outlets in US kitchens.

Note: If you are wanting to do this yourself, if you get one with any electronics in it (even an led power light), you should modify the capacitive dropper power supply for the electronics to operate on 60hz. For a well designed circuit, forgetting to do so means a resistor/zenier will be running hotter, for a very cheap circuit it can let magic smoke out.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by txg on Friday January 21, 2022 @04:03PM (#30029967)
On my twelfth year of North-American kettle operation I've gotten past the tedium of waiting extra minutes for the water to boil.

Visiting my family, however, I now have to flick the switch on twice - autopilot usually means the water has cooled below the supposed optimal infusion temperature by the time I return to the kitchen.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by djrogers on Friday January 21, 2022 @10:39AM (#30025023)
> Also a toaster

Err, wha? I don't know anyone here without a toaster - or 2...

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by jimmaswell on Friday January 21, 2022 @01:55PM (#30028231)
Highly recommended toaster: http://automaticbeyondbelief.org/
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by lolinder on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:22PM (#30028643)
Seconded on the Sunbeam! We inherited my father-in-law's when he moved across the country. He inherited it from his parents.

It's been in constant use for at least 60 years (I'm not sure when his parents got it), and is now making perfect toast for a fourth generation.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by javajosh on Friday January 21, 2022 @04:42PM (#30030383)
I prefer toaster ovens because cookies. You can make cookie dough and make one or two cookies at a time, ensuring they are always fresh out of the oven.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by rurp on Friday January 21, 2022 @04:57PM (#30030503)
Wow that's a great idea! It's one of the pieces of advice that seems obvious once I hear it but I never would have thought of it myself.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by _jal on Friday January 21, 2022 @10:57AM (#30025283)
I've never owned one. I very occasionally toast bread in the broiler.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Broken_Hippo on Friday January 21, 2022 @07:02PM (#30031617)
If you like toast when you make it, I suggest one. I personally won't make toast often if I'm using the broiler - I mean, it isn't hard, but it takes time and a bit of attention. I have it quite often if I own a toaster, though - it makes it so darn easy and convenient.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by chrisseaton on Friday January 21, 2022 @10:53AM (#30025215)
People tell Americans rarely put butter on bread in sandwiches, so what do you put on your toast?
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Turing_Machine on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:06AM (#30025421)
Toast is usually buttered, but it's not considered to be a sandwich in and of itself in the United States.

Now, a sandwich can be made with toasted bread, certainly, but in that role it's normally slathered with mayonnaise, mustard, or something of that nature rather than being buttered.

Exception: grilled cheese sandwiches are often buttered, though with those they typically have the butter on the outside. On the inside is either nothing or (my preference) mayonnaise.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by derefr on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:15PM (#30026546)
One of those "chef lifehacks" that stuck with me is that you can use mayo in place of butter on the outside of a grilled cheese. Easier to spread, browns perfectly, and turns out to taste exactly the same. (Which is surprising, given that every time I've made a grilled cheese with any kind of oil in place of the butter, it's turned out disgusting. Emulsifying the oil fixes the problem somehow.)
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by ketzo on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:46PM (#30027085)
Was just about to comment the same thing. Massive upgrade in grilled cheese quality.

If you can get it, Duke's Mayo is just absolutely bonkers. I also really like the Trader Joe's organic mayo.

Also, since I'm deeply invested in grilled cheeses, more recommendations:

I use a ratio of 1 part gruyere, 1 part sharp or extra-sharp cheddar. I also really like a little parmesan or pecorino, but it tastes less "classic grilled cheese," so might not be for everyone.

Cooking method:

- heat pan to medium

- put mayo on one side of two pieces of bread

- put the first piece of bread into the pan, mayo side down (it should sizzle lightly)

- heap your cheese on top of this piece, and press it down onto the bread a little

- after 2 minutes, take the other piece of bread and put it mayo side up onto the top of the cheese. flip the sandwich (so that the fresh mayo is now down).

- 2 more minutes and you're good to go. serve with tomato soup (naturally) and a little ranch if you're a degenerate like me.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by prometheus76 on Friday January 21, 2022 @10:51PM (#30033283)
My only suggested upgrade is to make your own mayo. You can use nice oils that have a flavor you like, and you can use a high-grade mustard to add some nice, subtle flavors. It only takes a minute or two, especially if you make it in a blender.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by ketzo on Monday January 24, 2022 @01:58PM (#30062218)
Ooh, just saw this, don't know why I never considered it. I'll definitely try it out.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Kluny on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:48PM (#30028999)
When I moved in with my partner, she came with a small George Foreman grill. She used it occasionally for reheating burritos, but together we found out that it makes grilled cheese so quickly and easily, that grilled cheese went from being an occasional treat to a weekly staple. I highly recommend it over the pan option.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Turing_Machine on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:20PM (#30029422)
In my opinion, the Foreman grill is one of the rare massively-hyped kitchen gadgets that's actually useful enough to be worth the cabinet space in the long term.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by satsuma on Friday January 21, 2022 @04:45PM (#30030404)
i should really bust mine out more. i've had one for ages and used it a bunch in college then just... stopped.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by panzagl on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:31PM (#30028796)
I'm just here to make sure no one accidentally confuses a grilled cheese with a melt.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by lief79 on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:43PM (#30027048)
Hmmm, I've made a great one with olive oil and sun dried tomato bread.

I suspect it depends on the ingredients ... you need a bread that goes well with the oil and have to be very careful on not oversoaking it.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by fy20 on Saturday January 22, 2022 @12:37AM (#30033976)
The proper way to store butter is in a butter dish [0], not a refrigerator. At room temperature you'll have no issues spreading it. It'll go rancid after a week or so, so if you don't use it everyday then this obviously isn't a good option. In Britain toast is more popular than cereal for breakfast.

[0] https://www.nordichouse.co.uk/enamel-butter-dish-p-4219.html

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by _mitch on Saturday January 22, 2022 @01:10AM (#30034150)
For those of us that live in a cold climate, counter butter isn't very spreadable during the winter. However, ghee is perfect for this application.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by _whiteCaps_ on Friday January 21, 2022 @01:11PM (#30027499)
Have you tried making garlic bread with mayo? Yum!
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by ska on Friday January 21, 2022 @01:56PM (#30028259)
if you are going that direction, why not garlic aoli?
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by js2 on Friday January 21, 2022 @04:08PM (#30030027)
Behold, the field guide to the American Sandwich:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/14/dining/field-...

If there's one food America knows how to do in many variations, all delicious to varying degrees, it's the sandwich.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by samwillis on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:15PM (#30028529)
Maybe not what you put on the toast but where you put it. What about a Toast Sandwich, a slice of toast between two slices of bread…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_sandwich

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by learc83 on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:07AM (#30025426)
Butter or jam/jelly.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by wtetzner on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:22PM (#30028646)
Interesting. I always butter my bread. Sometimes I'll also put other stuff on it, but always butter first.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by themadturk on Friday January 21, 2022 @06:46PM (#30031477)
Yes, me too. Bread is best with butter, no matter what else you put on it.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by jayd16 on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:51PM (#30029842)
We put mayonnaise on sandwiches instead but we use butter for toast.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by willcipriano on Friday January 21, 2022 @08:54PM (#30032387)
My wife is from the UK and I thought that was just a weird thing that she did. This is the first I've heard about this outside of seeing her do it.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by mattl on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:03AM (#30025377)
A lot of people use a toaster oven to make toast, it seems.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by r00fus on Friday January 21, 2022 @01:56PM (#30028263)
I do this mostly because I buy loafs of ciabatta or baguette, cut and freeze them.

Trying to get those odd/thick shapes after freezing into a slice toaster was challenging, and we already had a toaster oven so I never replaced my slice toaster when it died.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by function_seven on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:50PM (#30027150)
What's the difference between a pop up slice toaster (I assume that's what you're talking about) versus a toaster oven?

I grew up with the first kind, but now only use the second kind to reduce clutter on my countertop. I never detected a difference in the two methods, but I'm also not very observant!

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by burkaman on Friday January 21, 2022 @01:05PM (#30027412)
Toaster oven should be a lot less efficient and slower because it's heating up a larger space, but the result should be the same.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by jayd16 on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:55PM (#30029872)
I can melt cheese over bread or bagel in a toaster oven.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by function_seven on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:59PM (#30029910)
Yeah, that’s one thing I discovered when I stopped using a slice toaster. I can put a cold pat of butter on the bread about halfway through the toasting process, and avoid the trauma of trying to spread cold butter on the toast.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by DarylZero on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:22PM (#30033517)
The hack is to turn the empty toaster on and lay the toast flat on top. Good way to reheat pizza w/o oven.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by mattl on Friday January 21, 2022 @01:26PM (#30027797)
It might be a cultural thing but a slice toaster is way more of a set and forget operation, which I like... also, a toaster gets based used for one thing and a toaster oven is used for a lot of other foods, and I have to worry about cross contamination.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by function_seven on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:16PM (#30029381)
Oh that makes sense. I use mine 80% for toast and the remaining use is usually bread-adjacent things.

If I was also using it to heat up chicken tikka masala or something, then that would probably not be good.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Cupertino95014 on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:47PM (#30027102)
Indeed, and you can toast odd-shaped "breads" that won't go down a toaster slot.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by 7thaccount on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:11AM (#30025512)
I normally just throw on a blanket or turn up the thermostat, but I know you normally don't adjust the thermostat at someone else's house.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Jill_the_Pill on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:13PM (#30029340)
I think the idea of the article is, in part, that heating people is more efficient/economical than heating space.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by 7thaccount on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:39PM (#30030882)
Fair enough. I mean I guess these methods were pretty effective for centuries where people somehow didn't freeze to death.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by landmass on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @07:25AM (#30071007)
Recommendations for American electric kettles for use with hard water? Cleaning calcium residue out through a narrow opening sent me back to my microwave...
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by hotpotamus on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:17AM (#30025615)
I've never put much thought into this but my mother who spent some of her teenage years in the UK in the 70's used to use a hot water bottle. Here in the US, we had a mid-century ideal of "energy too cheap to meter" that would have been provided by the burgeoning nuclear industry. It never really panned out, but a lot of houses had things like radiant heaters in floors and room wrapping baseboard heaters installed for comfort which is nicer than having to deal with a fluid filled bladder, but obviously much more costly.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by vanderZwan on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:45PM (#30029748)
> Maybe it's because I am British

Nah, they're also not uncommon in the Netherlands, where I'm from, and Germany, where my partner's from (don't know if I'd call them "common" though).

What I found truly surprising is that they're impossible to find in Sweden, where we live. You'd think that hot water bottles would become more common the further up north you go.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by hilbert42 on Friday January 21, 2022 @07:57PM (#30031974)
"...they're impossible to find in Sweden,"

Ha, you're just too modern up there. Come to think of it I've not seen one either down here in Australia for many decades. Maybe they've finally died out altogether.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by time_to_smile on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:17PM (#30029396)
As an American I've been shocked how they've basically disappeared. Hot water bottles used to be a staple of American household. While they are easy to find on Amazon, they don't seem to be as ubiquitous as they once were.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by tsupiroti on Friday January 21, 2022 @01:38PM (#30027986)
Hot water bottles are quite common in Portugal. You should be able to find one at any large supermarket (e.g. Continente).
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by juanuicich on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:14PM (#30029354)
I can confirm Continente stocks them in all branches I’ve been to, but only at the beginning of winter. By late January they’re hard to find already.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by kranner on Friday January 21, 2022 @10:23AM (#30024728)
They're common in India as well. My dad uses one every day in the (North Indian) winters.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by chrisseaton on Friday January 21, 2022 @10:09AM (#30024496)
In my British household we call the cylinder foot warmer ones 'mother cats'.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by masklinn on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:55AM (#30026228)
What is the "proper" name for these? Last time I looked for foot warmers all I got was electric bootstie things, or hotplates for foot. So I got a small radiant heater instead.

Though I guess a microwavable grain bag on a normal footrest would also work.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Someone on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:34PM (#30028831)
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_stove) says its restricted to wooden ones with hot charcoal, but I would call them “Foot Stove” regardless of construction material or heat source.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by thom on Friday January 21, 2022 @04:29PM (#30030233)
Never seen one of these, but my dad used to have charcoal hand warmers similar to this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pocket-Hand-warmer-charcoal-includi...

We used to take them to football matches but eventually they became the sort of thing they'd confiscate cos fire and idiots don't mix.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by atulatul on Saturday January 22, 2022 @12:07PM (#30038522)
Of course, girls like Bobby Wickham ask you to pierce someone's hot water bottle with sharp implements while they are sleeping in bed. At least that's what the title reminded me of. Oh, what fun!

Ref: Wodehouse... Bertie Wooster.

Around 15 min in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uWIGhNPl0g

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by soperj on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:34AM (#30025883)
I didn't think you were supposed to put boiling water in a hot water bottle? at least the rubber ones...
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by thrwy_ywrht on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:38AM (#30025942)
Every hot water bottle tells you not to use boiling water in it, but at the same time everyone I know who regularly uses hot water bottles uses boiling water from an electric kettle.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by aulin on Friday January 21, 2022 @09:05PM (#30032466)
Used to know a girl with about half of the skin of a darker color, from face to toes, burnt by a water bottle burst when she was little. Still I regularly fill them with boiling hot water. Same for everyone I know. Sometimes we're just that stupid...
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by jimnotgym on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:38AM (#30025951)
...but everyone does. I just let it go off the boil and then use it.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by blacksmith_tb on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:20PM (#30026635)
I do see that there are silicone ones available, those should take boiling water in stride (though you'd need to wrap them in a thicker cover to avoid boiling yourself...)
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by pandemicsoul on Friday January 21, 2022 @06:16PM (#30031214)
The article also says you shouldn't use boiling water and recommends just using hot tap water.