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Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Turing_Machine on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:24AM (#30025735)
As I understand it, electric kettles never became as popular in the United States (though of course they do exist) because the electrical standards here mean that it's infeasible to make one that works really well -- a British electric kettle might be rated at 3,000 W (about 13 A at 230 V), but a standard U.S. convenience outlet can only provide about 1,800 W (15 A, 120 V). Even the higher-rated 20 amp outlets are only going to get you 2,400 watts. To get 3,000 watts, you'd either need a special circuit (like the ones for RV hookups), or plug it into a dryer or electric range outlet.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by vel0city on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:02PM (#30028347)
I dunno, tons of people I know in the US have electric kettles. Its not like its incredibly painful to use them, and they'll still usually beat out using the microwave to heat water quickly, but only slightly. While it is about half as much power than most of Europe, its still only a few minutes to go from tap water to boiling. It is not like we're talking hours to get it to boil.

From my experience one of the biggest reasons why people don't have an electric kettle is because they often don't think they have a use for them. Tons of people in the US would really only use it for making coffee, of which drip coffee makers were incredibly popular for a long time. So needing fast hot water is somewhat rare, and usually when its needed in regards to cooking you can just measure your water in a measuring cup and microwave it for a couple of minutes which is just about as fast.

The people I know who actually use electric kettles in the US are:

* Those who brew a lot of tea (far less common in US than globally)

* Those who often do alternative coffee brewing methods (pour over, french press, aeropress, etc)

* Those who make a lot of ramen or other instant noodles and have limited kitchen spaces (college students)

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by ssully on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:41AM (#30025994)
I just assumed they never took off here because tea isn't as popular in America. The only people I know who own kettles in America are people who regularly drink tea, including myself.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by time_to_smile on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:21PM (#30029436)
Or pourover coffee which, at least anecdotally, I've seen become much more popular over the years.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by txg on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:59PM (#30029916)
I drink both, but now use my kettle almost exclusively for the awful indulgence of pre-mug warming before dropping in the espresso from my stove-top pot.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by geekbird on Friday January 21, 2022 @07:04PM (#30031626)
So, my roomie is an ex barista. She only does pour over coffee with a Melitta cone and filter. (My wife like K-cups, but they need filtering to get the grounds out.) We have an electric kettle, which we just had to replace because the 15 year old one stopped heating completely.

We also just bought a couple of hot water bottles...

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by wtetzner on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:23PM (#30028665)
I also use mine to make coffee (via a French press).
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by masklinn on Saturday January 22, 2022 @03:56AM (#30034955)
Likewise (via aeropress).
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by js2 on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:16PM (#30026569)
I bought an electric kettle[1] a decade ago shortly after I switched to an Aeropress for coffee. I now drink green tea a couple times a day in addition to my morning coffee. I think most Americans just don't have much cause to heat water for anything except coffee, and they use a coffee maker for that.

My kettle is 1500 watts and I just timed it. Heating a bit over 1L (~36 oz) of water from 68°F (20°C) to 200°F (93°C) took 4:20.

It's one of those things where the first time you use it, you can't imagine ever not having one, assuming you have cause to heat water on a regular basis.

Still don't own a toaster though. A toaster oven does fine with toast and can be used for a lot more besides.

Don't own a rice maker either. That's been an ongoing negotiation with my wife for 25 years now. :-)

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-CPK-17-PerfecTemp-1-7-Liter...

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by vel0city on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:07PM (#30028402)
I have a basic rice cooker and I absolutely love it. Perfect rice every time without having to think too hard about measurements or the time, as the measurements are stamped on the bowl (fill rice here, fill water here) and it will always switch to warming mode at exactly the right time. I wouldn't bother getting a fancy computerized model, the old thermostatic ones are pretty much perfect.

Technology Connections video on old-style rice cookers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSTNhvDGbYI

We have that exact same kettle, its wonderful.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by greenonions on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:09PM (#30030601)
My wife convinced me to buy what I would consider an expensive rice cooker, computerized. Now the rice is fantastic, I'll admit. However, I'm not really convinced that it's worth 6x a basic rice cooker.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Tcepsa on Saturday January 22, 2022 @01:48AM (#30034340)
FWIW we used to make rice on the stove for years and it was fine, but then we got an Instant Pot and it's even better--makes rice that was comparable to what we'd get with the stove, plus all the other stuff you can use it for. So personally I'd encourage you to consider a "smart" pressure cooker with a rice setting rather than a dedicated rice maker.

EDIT: Might also help you tip the balance of the negotiations in your favor ;)

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by gotorazor on Sunday January 23, 2022 @12:22PM (#30048036)
I switched from a basic electric rice cooker to an Instant Pot for rice. The rice is as good as stovetop, but the electric rice cooker is still better. Plus, the electric rice cooker was easier. It has one button and requires less precision when it comes to the amount of water vs rice.

On the other hand, I have a finite amount of kitchen space. So a multi-use device was better than a single-use device.

On a different note: my parents went back to cooking rice on the stovetop for a few months after their electric rice cooker broke. They thought they will just save the money and go back to cooking the way they used to when they were kids. They liked the nostalgia --- but they also like having an extra 30 mins everyday. Stirring the pot over the stovetop and watching the water boil away was not how they wanted to spend their time.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by rootusrootus on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:19AM (#30057834)
> Stirring the pot over the stovetop and watching the water boil away was not how they wanted to spend their time.

I don't understand. When I cook rice on the stove, I leave it alone. Heat until it simmers (takes only a moment, I start with 190F water), put the lid on and turn the heat down to minimum, set timer for 20-30 minutes and walk away.

We even have a rice cooker, too, but it stays in the pantry because it's less convenient to take it down and set it up than just doing a pot on the stove.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by js2 on Saturday January 22, 2022 @06:48PM (#30042072)
It turns out my wife was opposed to an Instant Pot too. Why? I don't know.

But I got one over the holidays anyway[1] because I wanted something for incubating yogurt that could do more than just be an incubator. I've now made yogurt in it maybe eight times and it's come out perfectly every time. I had lots of failures in the past trying other ways of making yogurt. The steady incubation temperature really seems to make a big difference.

I've also used it for a handful of meals, lots of oatmeal, and it's excellent for hard-boiled eggs that are easy to peel.

But I haven't used it for rice yet. My wife just insists on making it on the stove and the reviews I read indicated the Instant Pot isn't particularly great at making rice.

[1] I got the Pro 10-in-1 6 Qt when Amazon had it on sale for $80. I bribed my wife with a Lodge 6 qt dutch oven. It was a fair trade. :-)

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by gotorazor on Sunday January 23, 2022 @12:41PM (#30048277)
My wife is against the instant pot too. It's actually really complicated to use -- especially if you have grown up cooking on the stove top.

The instant pot is superior -- but it is also very very different. It has a long warm up period, but then it cooks things incredibly quickly. Then, you have a long cool down, depressurization period ("natural release"). In the meantime, you have no visibility on how "done" is the food.

The basic disadvantages are as follows: 1) if you're an intuitive cook, you are screwed. There are no windows. You can't see how the food is doing. There is a long depressurization period. You can't take it out. You have to follow a recipe with instant pots. Everything becomes like baking.

2) if you're a recipe based cook, you are screwed. You basically have to throw out all of your existing recipes. It cooks faster for long recipes, but slower for short recipes. The chamber is also entirely enclosed and nothing boils away. None of them works unless you re-adjust the water levels and cooking time.

3) pressurized cookware has a really bad reputation of explosions. You can also very easily burn yourself either on the exposed metal parts or get impatient and accidentally steam yourself. The steam from the instant pot seems a lot hotter than regular steam.

@js2, try it for rice. Just watch a youtube video on it first because the process is very strange if you're used to cooking rice on the stovetop. The ratio of rice:water has to be very precise. You also have to follow the timer clock for the depressurization part.

I re-learned how to make rice just for the instant pot. I read the supplied instructions and then I watch a youtube video. I actually messed it up the first time. I still occasionally use too much water whenever I get careless.

But, I love mine. The rice do come out good. But obviously, it won't be like the way it comes out from a pot. It doesn't burn or form a crust.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by js2 on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:30AM (#30059843)
Will do. I love cooking in front of the stove as much as anyone, but I am _never_ making risotto on the stove top again. The Instant Pot isn't any quicker start to finish, but it saves me 30 minutes of constant attention to the rice ladling in broth.

The IP has its uses, and for those things, it's a great tool.

Oh, it's also really great for making flan.

There's a gazillion recipes for it online, so I haven't worried too much about that.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by bryanlarsen on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:38AM (#30025948)
15A outlets are only rated that for instantaneous current. For continuous current, appliances are only allowed to pull 80%. So kettles in the US are 1400W, half that of British kettles.

Like many modern kitchens, I have 20A outlets. Current code says that you either have to have 20A circuits in the kitchen or split 15A circuits. What the electrician chooses to install depends on whether 14/3 or 12/2 wire is cheaper that day.

One of my pet peeves is that I can't buy a 20A 1900W kettle. There has to be enough market demand for one? Put a big picture of a NEMA 5-20 outlet on the front so that fewer people get confused.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by nums on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:25PM (#30026730)
14/2 or 12/2 :-)
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by bhandziuk on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:34PM (#30026881)
14/3 was right. They were trying to describe a MWBC. Though you can have 20 A MWBCs too (12/3)
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by etblg on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:45AM (#30026073)
Electric kettles are very common in Canada and we have the same power systems as the USA. I've never found that the electric kettles here are painfully slow or anything, it's just a culture thing on who wants boiling water on demand more I guess.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by ska on Friday January 21, 2022 @01:58PM (#30028281)
> I've never found that the electric kettles here are painfully slow or anything,

You probably would if you were used to UK kettles...

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by etblg on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:14PM (#30028518)
I guess, but my kettle finishes boiling right as I finish hand-grinding my coffee beans, so I can't say it's been a big issue in my life.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by rdlw on Saturday January 22, 2022 @12:07AM (#30033789)
Good thing you live in Canada, then, or you'd have to learn to grind faster!
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by gotorazor on Sunday January 23, 2022 @12:47PM (#30048344)
I think that's because it is more common for Canadians to have resistive electric stoves. Americans typically have gas stoves. Boiling water on resistive electric stoves vs electric kettles are kind of the same.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by hadlock on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:01PM (#30029183)
Electric kettles are finally starting to get traction here, we use ours for tea and instant coffee, and pre-boiling water for making noodles on the stove since it's so much more efficient.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by lewsid on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:08PM (#30030598)
I live in the US and have an electric kettle. I was made aware of their existence in my travels abroad. It was a game-changer. Even with our electrical standards my kettle can get to boiling in a mere minute or two.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by refurb on Saturday January 22, 2022 @07:22AM (#30036050)
I always figured it was the popularity of tea in the UK.

Electric Kettles are (or were) ubiquitous when I grew up in Canada and the US. They take a little longer to heat up, but you’re talking 3-4 min instead of 1-2.

My friend got me a gift of a hot water dispenser like they use in Asia and I’ve never looked back. On demand hot water? Even waiting a min for a kettle to warm seems like a burden. They use very little electricity since they are well insulated.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by 0xbadcafebee on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:19PM (#30028607)
Our electric kettles work just fine on 110VAC. We're just isolated from the rest of the world so external cultural changes don't take hold. We still use Imperial measurements and serve half-pints of beer. Same reason Japan has an "old" World Wide Web; it works fine for them, and their culture doesn't change easily.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by Turing_Machine on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:23PM (#30029473)
It depends on whether taking more than twice as long to heat the water is "just fine" for your use case.

Me, I use the high output burner on the gas range and a traditional kettle.

Note that other European and Asian kitchen gadgets have had no trouble making inroads in the United States. While some people obviously do have electric kettles here, they're far, far from being the ubiquitous thing they are in British kitchens.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by elliottkember on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:56AM (#30026237)
I recently bought a Zojirushi water boiler. Instant hot water all day. Never going back to a kettle.
Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by extrapickles on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:52PM (#30027185)
Unless you are in an apartment/condo in the US (which can have 208V), you likely have 240V power in your house. I have a 240V 15A outlet in my kitchen so I can use a British kettle with a swapped plug. It would be nice if it was standard to have 240V outlets in US kitchens.

Note: If you are wanting to do this yourself, if you get one with any electronics in it (even an led power light), you should modify the capacitive dropper power supply for the electronics to operate on 60hz. For a well designed circuit, forgetting to do so means a resistor/zenier will be running hotter, for a very cheap circuit it can let magic smoke out.

Re:The Revenge of the Hot Water Bottle by txg on Friday January 21, 2022 @04:03PM (#30029967)
On my twelfth year of North-American kettle operation I've gotten past the tedium of waiting extra minutes for the water to boil.

Visiting my family, however, I now have to flick the switch on twice - autopilot usually means the water has cooled below the supposed optimal infusion temperature by the time I return to the kitchen.