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Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by vgalin on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:45AM (#29992055)
> The most trusted open source password manager for business

I expected a blog article with actual feedbacks from companies and data, but ended up on bitwarden.com main page.

Baseless claims can be quite common when it comes to marketing, but I'm genuinely curious: which password manager is used in your workplace, if any?

I've personally never seen in my (for now short) career anything else than Keepass.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by nicoburns on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:48AM (#29992082)
We use Bitwarden at work. Bitwarden and Keepass are the two on my "trusted" list. Keepass has higher trust because it's offline only. But Bitwarden has a very good reputation and has open sourced both the clients and the server, so they are a close enough second for me, and it's much more convenient having cloud sync.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by KronisLV on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:49AM (#29992457)
> I've personally never seen in my (for now short) career anything else than Keepass.

KeePass (https://keepass.info/) is excellent for personal usage or for infrequently changing credentials in a team setting, which is why i've also had a good run with it!

That said, for something a bit more centralized and more easily manageable, i've seen solutions like TeamPass be used: https://teampass.net/

Well, TeamPass in particular has a pretty horrible UI (not respecting what i click with my mouse and janky dragging of items around, as well as weird display rules), but in general i feel like many companies out there might want a web app of sorts, even if only available in the internal network and self hosted.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by Aerroon on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:59AM (#29992560)
The nice thing with keepass is that you manage the password database and key yourself.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by majewsky on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:24AM (#29992729)
The problem with keepass is that you have to manage the password database and key yourself.

(Not for most of us here, but for most people out there.)

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by Aerroon on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:46AM (#30019651)
I'm not sure how big of a problem this really is. Yes, it's definitely more difficult for a non-technical user to manage this, but if they have an idea about how important keeping their passwords safe is then would they trust that to a third-party? I don't think my mom would trust any service with her passwords.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by aniforprez on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:47AM (#29992069)
Workplace uses 1Password. I've been using it personally for years and I love it. Completely worth the subscription cost though it has its quirks

I like Bitwarden and the work they do and I'm sure they're trustworthy seeing as they've been audited and such but the android app and some of the UI is clunky to say the least. I tried switching from LastPass (which is awful) and ended up going to 1Password

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by chiefalchemist on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:23AM (#29992314)
I use BW at home and 1PW at work - both via browser extension. I cringe and/or swear at 1PW far more often than BW.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by aniforprez on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:15AM (#29992669)
I've not found much reason to swear or cringe at 1Password... maybe ever. I was a bit frustrated once when it gave the wrong popup when filling out my addresses. What is your use case if you don't mind me asking?
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by zwirbl on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:31AM (#29992768)
1Password once "forgot" an autogenerated password for a government webservice, where I had to used a snailmailed one time password. I needed to get another OTP for registration. It never happened to me again, but having a wrong password stored was really annoying. I've switched to Bitwarden recently and, for the most part, am happier than before.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by rekabis on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:52PM (#30001595)
Same here. Like, literally. 1PW just seems so much clunkier and more difficult to work with. The thing being, 1PW does have a handful of enterprise-level features that seem to be more efficient for managing passwords across the enterprise. That seems to be about the only edge it appears to have, which is why it probably appears more attractive to corporations.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by wirelesspotat on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:58AM (#29992148)
My current and previous company both use 1password. I use Bitwarden personally.

I like them both - 1password has better UX but I prefer supporting open source for personal use.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by cies on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:09AM (#29992219)
> I prefer supporting open source for personal use.

Same here. Opensource also adds to security in this case.

Also BitWarden's server has no knowledge of your phrase, and hence cannot, never ever, read your data. Forgetting your phrase means you lose your wallet. 1Pass and competitors do not have such guarantee, and allow one to retrieve access to the wallet by other means.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by aniforprez on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:16AM (#29992275)
1Password's servers also cannot read your data. They use a client generated secret key in addition to your usual password to encrypt your vaults. It's been detailed pretty well

https://support.1password.com/secret-key-security/

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by cies on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:35AM (#29992385)
Are all clients open source? If I loose all my keys is there no way to recover the data?

And how does this work when I share passwords with my colleagues in a vault? They dont have my "client generated secret key", so how can they read my passwords?

I know companies write stuff to sell their products, but I dont trust that, I prefer open source and the laws of logic over marketing.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by jviide on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:56AM (#29992527)
1Password has a pretty good white paper explaining their security design (PDF behind the link): https://1passwordstatic.com/files/security/1password-white-p.... The parts "How Vault Items Are Secured" and "How Vaults Are Securely Shared" go into sharing passwords in a vault.

For the record, Bitwarden's white paper is a good read as well. Available at https://bitwarden.com/help/article/bitwarden-security-white-....

(edit: fixed typos)

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by cies on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @08:36AM (#29993440)
So I'm reading on pg 22. The red block. How hard is it for 1Pass --basically a mandated MITM-- to send a false request to Alice when Bob made a request?

That whitepaper is a piece of marketing text. Not saying their audit did not take place. But they are soooooo powerful in their own system that they basically have access to everything.

BitWarden: not so much.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by a10c on Thursday January 20, 2022 @05:09AM (#30006952)
> How hard is it for 1Pass --basically a mandated MITM-- to send a false request to Alice when Bob made a request?

Alice is the one that initiates the request. She owns the vault being shared and encrypts it with Bob's pre-shared public key.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by aniforprez on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:14AM (#29992655)
If you loose bitwarden keys what will they do to recover data? They have similar security protocols so I doubt being open source would help that. It's not about being open source or not. That's just security

1Password says explicitly that you're not sharing the actual item in your vault and that it's creating a copy of it. It's probably generated client side and pushed to an external sharing service

I mean, I understand trusting open source but your statements seem like non-sequiturs. 1Password has been audited and has been an industry standard for a while. They seem to know security so at some level I don't find it difficult to trust them. Of course, I don't deny trusting open source and that's completely valid but not with these specific points

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by cies on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @08:31AM (#29993369)
>If you loose bitwarden keys what will they do to recover data?

They cannot. That's closely related to why it is so secure, and why they can never see you data. That's why I use it.

It's sometimes called "zero knowledge".

> 1Password has been audited and has been an industry standard for a while.

MSFT products were also audited, and much used, and very insecure. Also 1Pass may be subpoena'd into sharing your data. I do not trust 1Pass, but you do you and feel free to do trust them :)

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by syspec on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:02PM (#29996336)
How does that work for their web based browser extension?
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by IggleSniggle on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:12AM (#29992640)
Bitwarden is open source. It is auditable. You can host it wherever you like or you can support the devs. I think it’s great.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by chrysoprace on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:52AM (#29992485)
We use Lastpass; I've never been a big fan of the sharing features. I use Bitwarden for personal use.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by belic on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:15AM (#29992663)
I moved to Bitwarden from Lastpass last year. Ironically I remember needing some premium feature, and having issues subscribing to premium. Support was 0/10, and made me move to Bitwarden, but I was really happy with Lastpass. Feature I miss today is security checkup.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by potency on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @08:36AM (#29993439)
Glad it wasn't just me. I was trying to get a repeatable issue with a particular site resolved, and support was beyond useless, i.e. unresponsive for up to two weeks, repeating the same scripted BS they had sent me previously, etc. Despite my pleading I was never able to get to a level 2 where someone could actually look at my problem.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by linsomniac on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @08:48AM (#29993572)
Support USED to be great, ~2-3 years ago when I first signed up. I noticed around a year ago when I made a support request that it went way downhill. I get the impression that they outsourced it to India.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by gwbas1c on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @09:33AM (#29994004)
I like Lastpass, but I have one major complaint.

(This could be a limitation of the browser)

When I have to enter my master password into the browser, I'm left with the Lastpass tab focused instead of the site that I'm trying to log into. Although this is annoying for me, it's probably a major obstacle for people who aren't very good at computers.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by NikolaNovak on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:44AM (#29992435)
Workplace (major consulting company) uses 1password. Keepass is kinda sorta allowed.

Note for context - we are in a company that for obvious and less obvious reasons has a detailed list and tiering of allowed open source software for various purposes; while we have more control over our laptop than most companies such size, policies are fairly firm on what we are and aren't actually supposed to install.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by gjvc on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:51AM (#29992107)
> The most trusted open source password manager for business

OP here; this hype bothered me, but to avoid being accused of editorialising the target link, I try to include any strap line in full in the HN link description field.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by Tier2Capital on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:14AM (#29992653)
KeePassXC and Strongbox for (Apple products) personal use
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by 19870213 on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:21AM (#29992306)
PasswordState for us (and we're predominantly a Java/PHP/Linux shop).
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by sam_lowry_ on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:28AM (#29992754)
Linux would naturally lean to the pass ecosystem e.g. pass, browserpass gopass, PasswordSafe app, etc. See https://www.passwordstore.org/
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by AyyWS on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @09:16AM (#29993814)
PasswordState licensing and support was great. I administed it for a small robotics company. PasswordState devs added a requested feature in about 3 weeks from a forum post I made.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by jehb on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @08:31AM (#29993371)
I agree, this is the sort of statement that should be backed up by... something.

But we do use Bitwarden where I work (large enterprise software vendor). Adoption is not consistent, but it's the IT supported solution here.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by Zababa on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:11AM (#29992630)
Lastpass. I didn't know it was possible to make a web page that slow.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by zepearl on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:36AM (#29992390)
Keepass
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by volkanvardar on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:50AM (#29992464)
+1
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by oxfordmale on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:47AM (#29992061)
My company uses 1Password, in my previous company we used LastPass.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by cudder on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:11AM (#29992234)
We're on the process of migrating from LastPass to self-hosted Psono[0]. I've not yet used Psono enough to say anything except that it seems better than LastPass, but that's not a hard goal to reach. With LastPass the whole UI/UX seemed awfully complex and cluttered and devoid of many handy QoL features like copying a password straight to clipboard. Their Chrome extension is also a true heavyweight[1].

[0]: https://psono.com/

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21172569

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by mkbkn on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:58AM (#30010531)
I work for a marketing agency as a contractor and they use Bitwarden.

Also, I'm a happy and paying user personally.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by thisdrunkdane on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:58AM (#29992150)
We're using 1Password & I've used it personally many years before
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by JosieFi on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @08:53AM (#29993613)
We are using bitwarden currently. It seems to work well for our purposes.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by Emptysister on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @10:39AM (#29994976)
keepass and vaultwarden (bitwarden-api compatible server)
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by loceng on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @11:28AM (#29995787)
Someone with good post draw should create a poll.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by quijoteuniv on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @06:54AM (#29992498)
Any experience with Secret server from thycotic?
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by ricardbejarano on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:06AM (#29992605)
I've used it before, it sucks.

It does the job, but very poorly. Same as LastPass.

I use 1Password now. If I didn't want to pay for it I'd use KeePass.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by belic on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:16AM (#29992675)
We have it, and I don't like it. Slow, bad UI, and not very reliable.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by ricardbejarano on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:04AM (#29992587)
LastPass, everyone hates it including me.
Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by edoceo on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:25AM (#29992735)
This could be an HN Poll?

Also, we use Passbolt.

Re:Bitwarden: Free, open-source password manager by wartijn_ on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @10:21AM (#29994726)
I created a poll for this. It's about personal use instead of use in companies though. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29994703