>I'd love to see you illustrate with numbers the DDOS that you believe the unvaccinated population is visiting on hospitals.
There are only about 2.5 hospital beds per 1000 in the US.
0.2% is already 20 per thousand. Plus a lot more need(ed) hospitalization and proper medical care and oxygen in order to survive. Not to mention that hospitals have a high occupancy outside of covid, so not all beds are available just for covid patients.
The worst problem with covid is probably not the raw death rate, but that the ICU patients often take weeks to either improve or die.
ICUs are not designed for long stays; prior to covid, median ICU stay was fairly short (I found a figure of 2 days and mean of 3.4 days [0]). But for example, my GP, who died of covid in early 2020, stayed on life support for six weeks before his body finally gave up.
Wow that's really third world level of beds per inhabitants. In my country it's 6, and a bit more than the double (13.1) in Japan. No wonder Japan doesn't need to take harsh measures since the hospital capacity is able to deal with it.
For any US citizens or residents in this thread angry at non-vaccinated people, you should be angry against your government for under funding hospitals instead of your fellow citizens.
Don't you mean 2 per thousand?
Don't be fooled by bed availability. They put more beds, sure, but AFAIK they still haven't found a way to mass produce more medical staff.
Unsafe and drunk drivers are quite condemned.
Obese people don't normally make hospital beds unavailable. If there was a safe, easy to take and effective vaccine against obesity, but they refused to take it, they would be condemned much more.
Plus none of them can infect others with their affliction.
Seriously? What about the good ol' "eat less" (excluding the rare cases where it is related to metabolism disorders)?
Losing weight is quite hard and keeping it off is next to impossible, given that very few succeed.
In case you're serious, you can read this. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/11/a-chemical-hunger-p...
Eating less is both prevention and treatment.
[1] Excluding metabolic disorders
Drunk drivers are some of the most hated people in society.
Obesity can occur without own responsibility or at least be much more difficult to deal with for some people. It also doesn't infect people that walk past.
Yes, absolutely, 100%. There's a reason we have laws against those things: to condemn that behavior.
> obese people
The causes of the obesity pandemic in the developed world are too complicated to blanket say that all obese people are "reckless". Certainly some are though.
Don't you see where this is going ? Do you really want the government to dictate every single decision in your life, as soon as they're deemed "dangeours for the rest of the society" in one way or another ?
Now with omicron it’s spreading so fast that even though it seems to be less likely to put you in hospital, it’s infecting so many people the numbers in hospital are shooting up anyway. Vaccination is still saving huge numbers of lives here, but we are phasing in some limited lockdown rules as they become necessary.
On a personal note I caught the virus 2 weeks ago. I was pretty sick for a few days, but shook it off after a week thanks to being fully vaccinated. The rest of my family had it too and my reaction was the worst. I hate to think what it would have been like if I hadn’t had the vaccine working for me as well. I’d probably be dead.
It would likely have been worse if you weren't vaccinated, but not necessarily. It would almost certainly not killed you.
You just need to remember to add 'probably' or 'possibly' in front of most of your statements. People will accept them more, and your mind will be clearer and more rational.
At the very least though, the vaccination rate has a large effect on hospitalizations and deaths.
As to the obese and immuno-compromised also ending up in hospitals, many were born with a much higher than average risk for their conditions. Getting vaccinated is likely much easier than maintaining a healthy weight in this age of industrial "food" or being born without a high risk condition.
Obese people don't overwhelm hospital capacity because it is highly variable how long it takes for obesity to result in something that puts you in the hospital. Moderately obese people lose on average about 3 years of life. As far as hospital capacity goes the impact is that the people handling long term capacity planning have to change their forecasts to call for a little more capacity a little sooner.
Best of all isn't personal responsibility a classical conservative thing? Don't want to do something simple and free to keep yourself out of the hospital? Fine, but you get to pay for it.
Of course they will just go bankrupt and we'll end up paying for it anyway, but at least it will send a message.
Could be extended to other forms of adherence to flagrant health quackery. I have zero sympathy for this insanity anymore. If you get your health information from YouTube you are an idiot.
There’s a whole lot of reasons people end up in the hospital, plenty of which someone will conclude “well, that was more stupid than I’m comfortable paying for”, and having to do a full circumstances checkup to figure out which price and to whom to charge seems…problematic.
The unresearched whataboutisms in this thread are truly something else.
With the exception of drunk driving, the others do not directly pose an immediate risk to others.