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Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by fragmede on Sunday December 26, 2021 @05:10AM (#29691117)
Well yeah. It's the best protection we have against serious illness for yourself, or your infecting others if you catch an asymptomatic case. Prior infection is weak defense against Omicron[1] (like, 20%).

Your work, depressing as your story is, is orthogonal to the question of getting vaccinated. Still, that's a fascinating angle I hadn't considered. You deserve hazard pay, and vacation, same as everyone else. Whether or not your vaxxed doesn't change that. That you haven't received any is the fault of your employer and our brand of capitalism, not that any of us have any real choice in that matter.

[1]https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by landemva on Sunday December 26, 2021 @05:18AM (#29691157)
2008 bankster bailouts was not capitalism. 2020 bailouts of airlines and foreign cruise lines was not capitalism. Capitalism would have let those failures fail and motivated new owners would have picked up the assets at the bankruptcy.

'It's the best protection we have against serious illness'

The best protection each person has is to remove their comorbidities including being obese and having no lung capacity. Maybe eat less and exercise.

'not that any of us have any real choice in that matter.'

Go fix your own machines.

Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by fragmede on Sunday December 26, 2021 @05:29AM (#29691218)
Your anger is misplaced. I'm not making you fix any machines. Were it up to me, you'd get 3 months vacation pay starting tomorrow, you clearly need it.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by landemva on Sunday December 26, 2021 @06:22AM (#29691496)
It's my general comment about I no longer consent. Please excuse my tone.

Three months... but it's not just the pay.

By the grace of God, the genius Satoshi Nakamoto, and my willingness to get in earlier and deeper than most, I now have some agency. https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/56049234-thank-god-fo...

In some ways, John Galt said and exhibited 'my body, my choice.' https://aynrand.org/novels/atlas-shrugged/

Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by Zpalmtree on Sunday December 26, 2021 @10:26AM (#29693105)
Amen brother, stay strong
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by Mikeb85 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @07:04AM (#29691724)
> Capitalism would have let those failures fail

Capitalism wouldn't have shut down borders preventing airlines from taking on passengers. Government action led to airlines taking massive losses.

Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by hansel_der on Sunday December 26, 2021 @07:15AM (#29691800)
how is an airline entitled to profit from cross-border travel?
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by Mikeb85 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @07:44AM (#29691982)
Capitalism is about free trade. Airlines grew to their size based on a certain economic condition (free travel between nations). Pulling that out from under them resulted in massive loss of income.

It's not about entitled or not. It's about the fact government action directly harmed them, whether or not justified.

Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by hansel_der on Sunday December 26, 2021 @07:54AM (#29692022)
so the market conditions changed.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by wiseowise on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:59AM (#29692835)
They didn't. Authoritarian intervention happened.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by hansel_der on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @07:06AM (#29724081)
that assesment hinges on the view if the pandemic neccesitated/warranted lockdowns.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by ahoka on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:56AM (#29692809)
"Capitalism is about free trade."

No, it's not.

Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by Mikeb85 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @10:03AM (#29692867)
Way to be pedantic. You're right, strictly speaking it's about investing capital (in the economic sense) in order to profit from it. In practice it's all about reducing barriers to trade whether within or outside a country since every other economic system aims to limit some aspect of economic freedom as 'capitalism' is basically just the natural result of barrier-free trade.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by matwood on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:11AM (#29692469)
I'm sure an immigrant would love your job and probably do it for less money if we're really talking about unbridled capitalism.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by landemva on Sunday December 26, 2021 @03:49PM (#29696198)
It can be done with time and desire. Learn how to diagnose, cost, repair hydraulic, electrical, diesel, undercarriage, and rebuild stored energy accumulators without injuring yourself. Some of the time will be on oil/gas pads and get your MSHA papers so you can be left by yourself at night fixing a machine where there is no phone service. And use cutting gear and liquid nitrogen safely. It can be done.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by boppo1 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:11AM (#29693560)
It sounds like he wouldn't mind.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by rajin444 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:24AM (#29692573)
Can you quantify OPs risk from omicron? Saying “it’s the best we have” is technically true but intellectually dishonest. Volcano insurance is also the “best we have” to protect vs volcanic activity and many people don’t have it.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by dpark on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:18AM (#29693629)
It’s also intellectually dishonest to compare volcanic activity to Covid. When’s the last time volcanic activity killed over 5 million people in the span of 2 years?
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by rajin444 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @08:10PM (#29697977)
sorry for the comparison! I was trying to highlight that risk levels are individual, not to say that one’s risk from Covid is that of being caught in a volcano. Blanket numbers (5 million have died) are almost useless when trying to assess your personal risk.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by klipklop on Sunday December 26, 2021 @05:42AM (#29691290)
It’s annoying to say this, but I have my shots so please don’t reply with shrill cries calling me an anti-Vaxxer

I am guessing like many he is angered at having to choose between his job and taking a vaccine he may not want to take. This same employer didn’t likely give a single shit about his safety before.

Logic says just take the shot, but people like to feel like they have some agency in life other than their employer forcing treatment on them so they can continue to be good little drones.

Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by nickysielicki on Sunday December 26, 2021 @05:43AM (#29691297)
> It's the best protection we have against [...] your infecting others if you catch an asymptomatic case.

This was a theory that the entire vaccination program was predicated upon. The theory was, "We can't prevent infections, but if the body is primed to have a less severe reaction to the virus, it will do a better job of clearing it quickly and the viral load will be lesser, thus bringing r0 down."

It didn't turn out to be totally true. It clears quicker but it has no meaningful reduction in peak viral load on average.

So now, given that we don't have good reason to suggest that the vaccine results in lower viral loads, it stands to reason that the majority of asymptomatic "superspreaders" going forward are more likely to be vaccinated. The unvaccinated are more likely to get seriously ill and isolate.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-sim...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264262v...

Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by arbitrage on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:18AM (#29692525)
Peak viral load is a red herring. That dogwhistle predicates that viral load is proportional to severity of illness. It doesn't work like that.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by nickysielicki on Sunday December 26, 2021 @01:10PM (#29694771)
It’s like you completely avoided reading my comment. It has nothing to do with severity of illness it has to do with infectiousness and it’s the closest thing we have to measuring infectiousness.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by colechristensen on Sunday December 26, 2021 @05:30AM (#29691223)
If you’ve had covid, the benefit isn’t zero to getting a vaccine but it is also way below the threshold to use authoritarian force to get someone to take it in a free society. The people saying otherwise are full of shit and have zero ability to set guidelines based on actual risk and science instead of blind moralization.
Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by landemva on Sunday December 26, 2021 @06:08AM (#29691426)
I don't know if the potential benefit to me and others like me, having already recovered, somehow offsets the known risks of taking the medical treatment plus some number of booster treatments.

There is a disconnect between the thinking of those who make policy, seemingly many of the work-from-home formerly worked at office workers, and people who regularly toil in the field and have dirty fingernails.

Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by colechristensen on Sunday December 26, 2021 @06:30AM (#29691532)
Getting Covid obviously introduces a risk (short term and long term), surviving definitely reduces the risk of future Covid infections. I don’t think anybody disagrees with that.

Each dose of the vaccine likewise introduces new short term and long term risks and reduces future risks from covid. More so if you’ve never had covid, but still nonzero if you have had it and recovered. (Lots of people don’t really want to acknowledge one part of this or another)

The problem is how big are each of these risks and what is your tolerance for taking a certain risk (a vaccine) to prevent an uncertain risk (potentially contracting covid again)

Lots of people take sides and emphasize one set of risks as “known” and sort of pretend the other set doesn’t exist.

Covid has certainly killed a whole lot of people.

A very very large number of people have taken vaccines and a very very small number of them have had negative outcomes.

There is a risk to taking a vaccine and there is a risk to not taking a vaccine. How big is that risk and when do you decide one risk is worth the other?

One thing is for sure, whatever your opinion is, there are a lot of people out there trying to make money by reenforcing that opinion with “facts”.

Taking the vaccine is, if anything, a very small risk compared to many other risks you take every day (demonstrable by just how many people have taken it already and comparing it to, say, traffic accident statistics). The risk protection you have from surviving covid is also definitely decreasing with time.

It is hard to find information because so many people are pretending these risks are known. They just aren’t, there are bounds of uncertainty. Not huge bounds, quite a bit is actually known, but there is still uncertainty and you have to decide for yourself which risk to take and when.

Re:Why is U.S. labor supply so low? by propogandist on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:01AM (#29693459)
>and a very very small number of them have had negative outcomes.

There's no method to report adverse event, unless you go to VAERS and report it. Since coverage of negative effects will reduce the effectiveness of the propaganda being pushed, there's little coverage of adverse events, enabling the narrative to continue.

The CDC also doesn't consider people as fully vaccinated until 14 days after the 2nd injection, enabling them to skirt attribution of hospitalization or deaths that occur after the Jab.

Look at the VAERS charts of adverse events & vaccine deaths reported in 2021 VEARS compared to all other vaccines, as a starting point...

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/12/25/vaers-summary-for-covi...

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html