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Re:Where have all the insects gone? by thisiscorrect on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @01:57PM (#29003766)
Could that be explained by improved aerodynamics of cars now compared to then? Has that been studied?
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by robocat on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:35PM (#29004359)
Research says no: “The research included vintage cars up to 70 years old to see if their less aerodynamic shape meant they killed more bugs, but it found that modern cars actually hit slightly more insects.” From https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/12/car-spla... (Second hand comment from a journalist; actual research results may vary).
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @03:28PM (#29005080)
Is it possible for there to be so many more vehicles than decades before that the number of insects hitting each car is much less?
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by SuoDuanDao on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @07:15PM (#29007620)
Insects getting better at avoiding cars in a much shorter time than we'd expect would certainly be a prediction of Sheldrake's 'morphic resonance' theory.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by therealdrag0 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @11:23PM (#29009211)
The comment above yours was not saying what you're saying.

They were saying, IIUC, that it could be that the same amount of bugs are splattered across a larger number of cars, so that if you look at any one car, then it looks like less bugs.

Re:Where have all the insects gone? by SuoDuanDao on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @02:55PM (#29017514)
That was my understanding as well, I was proposing an alternative theory.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by AuryGlenz on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @04:50PM (#29018926)
There’s a road in my area (rural MN) where I don’t slow down if there are deer on the side of the road. It’s a curvy road with a ton of deer, and back when I was a teenager the deer would do the normal deer thing of potentially getting spooked and run across the road…or directly in to your stopped car.

15 years later they no longer do that, just on that road in particular. I don’t know if it’s evolved behavior or learned, but they absolutely changed.

Re:Where have all the insects gone? by yeetaccount on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:11PM (#29003984)
We’re seeing a comparable decline in birds that depend on them for food, so probably not.

That said, it’s fun to imagine that we just selected against insects that hang out by the highway.

Re:Where have all the insects gone? by plushpuffin on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @03:44PM (#29005327)
This has apparently happened with birds. Some bird species have evolved shorter wings for better maneuverability near traffic.

https://www.npr.org/2013/03/22/175054275/birds-evolve-shorte...

Re:Where have all the insects gone? by dnautics on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @03:39PM (#29005257)
that wouldn't be strange. I remember a friend telling me about scientists who visited a remote place twice and seeing fungus-caused dieoffs the second time and he immediately claimed that it was global warming. My first thought was "those bastard scientists brought the fungus in" (I've hiked through remote endemic-plant forests and they tell you to scrub yourself vigorously on your way in to prevent tracking non-native plant seeds)
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by holri on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:23PM (#29004187)
I drive my old motorcycle with the same big windshield since the 90ies. Insects are dramatically less on it now than 20 years ago.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by cowmix on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:44PM (#29004520)
Yup.. I'm 50 and I will attest there is NO DOUBT insects populations have declined. It's crazy.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by mikestew on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @06:07PM (#29006969)
Fellow biker here, with as small a windshield as I can stand (meaning my helmet stands above the windshield. I still carry a can of Honda Spray Cleaner and Polish in the tank bag for scrubbing the face shield on the helmet, as well as the windshield. I used to go through several cans a year. Now, for the same miles ridden, a can might last over a year. The one variable is the bike, but I've owned a variety of bikes over the decades I've been riding, and only in the last 10 years or so did I have to cut back on my standing order of cleaner.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by Steltek on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:18PM (#29004100)
Huge trucks and SUVs are really popular in the US. The aerodynamics are not going to compare favorably to typical 90's cars, where even the trucks are much smaller.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by mellavora on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @03:06PM (#29004808)
For me, I noticed the change over one year. I had a job where I commuted the same stretch of highway every day. For the first few years, every May/June the windshield was always badly crusted with bugs. Then suddenly one year, no bugs. Same car.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by tedmcory77 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @04:21PM (#29005752)
What year? Would love to have that data point, or an aproximation.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by fouc on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @05:19PM (#29006403)
Yeah but what about the year after?
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by xattt on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:17PM (#29004085)
I mentioned this in a similar discussion on HN a few years ago. I used to own a Nissan Cube (a boxy car), and it would regularly get encrusted with insects every summer, when compared to other family members’ vehicles which did not.

Insects still get hit with aerodynamic cars, but the blows are glancing and less likely to cause a “burst”.

Re:Where have all the insects gone? by papito on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:02PM (#29003864)
It's not like we were all driving in Chevrolet Bel Airs in the 90s and now switched to Lamborghinis.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by thisiscorrect on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:12PM (#29004003)
My intuition for aerodynamics must not be as good as yours. But looking at https://caradvise.com/blog/2019/08/17/most-popular-cars-in-t... and https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g36005989/best-selling-car... is interesting. In particular, the way the headlights sit on the front of the car seems to have changed a lot. Cars in the 90s look to have lights that pointed straight ahead. That seems to have evolved over time to a more streamlined position and orientation.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by datameta on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @02:01PM (#29016737)
It's mind-boggling how many trucks and SUVs this country owns...
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by LanceH on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:09PM (#29003954)
It is an variable that very obviously needs to be controlled and is worth mentioning.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by toss1 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:27PM (#29004249)
Yup, not only that, but the Lamborghini Countach has a Cd of 0.42, while every car on this list has a lower Cd, except for the original VW Beetle [1].

(Although, TBF, the Lambo's wing and aero package adds a lot of drag in exchange for much greater downforce)

[1] https://ecomodder.com/wiki/Vehicle_Coefficient_of_Drag_List

Re:Where have all the insects gone? by papito on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @02:20PM (#29016998)
The studies for this are scarce, but this is curious and counterintuitive:

"The research also found that modern cars, with a more aerodynamic body shape, killed more insects than boxier vintage cars up to 70 years old."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windshield_phenomenon

Re:Where have all the insects gone? by eddiecalzone on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:20PM (#29004136)
Are they, though? So many trucks, SUVs, and other cars that don't have sloping windshields. Also, I would expect even pastier windshields given that the nationwide speed limit was 65mph until 1995, and it took years for states to nudge it upwards to where it is now (85mph at some places in Texas).

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law

Re:Where have all the insects gone? by trynumber9 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:03PM (#29003878)
It also depends on the bugs spawning behavior. There are still species which blot out the sky when they spawn along the Mississippi.
Re:Where have all the insects gone? by goda90 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:03PM (#29003872)
I feel like this is something we could check with simulations. Given the same insect clouds, would an older car hit more of them than a newer one?