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Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by Adrig on Thursday October 07, 2021 @04:31AM (#28783639)
Meh, the feature is easily deactivable, the settings are clear and extensive. As far as ads go, it's one of the best implementations.

Firefox still has no alternative in the privacy / user-centric space (don't mention Brave, I'm gonna get mad). Mozilla has done a lot for the web, I can give them some slack for exploring different revenue models.

Still, I'm going to keep on eye for this kind of practices in the future. I don't want them to get too comfortable with it.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by arc-in-space on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:09AM (#28785743)
>easily deactivable

Each time I install Firefox, I end up wasting a non-trivial amount of time carefully working my way through the settings in order to disable the pile of defaults that are as 'easy' to deactivate as they are infuriating. When updating the browser, some of these changes get rolled back, and some of them become more difficult to adjust, either by being removed from the options menu, or by being obscured in about:config - maybe the name has changed for no reason, or maybe the behaviour now depends on an entirely different configuration value.

A particularly obscene case is the auto-updater, which has gotten so bad that I have literally given up on figuring out how to disable it. (At least on Windows; firefox-esr on debian is, so far, free of this insanity) (Ever noticed how forced automatic updates in software get pushed by security fanaticism, but mostly exist to steal your data and ruin your day while they're at it?)

You, apparently, see an easily-deactivable feature in a clear and extensive settings menu. I see an ever-growing eldritch labyrinth, built solely to prevent me from having a straightforward internet browsing experience, all the while the browser's performance is slowly but surely - and noticeably - worsening in the new versions.

Anyway, screw you, Mozilla. At this point I'm only using firefox because I don't see much of a choice either.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by ziddoap on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:41AM (#28786119)
>Ever noticed how forced automatic updates in software get pushed by security fanaticism, but mostly exist to steal your data and ruin your day while they're at it?)

Would you mind expanding on this one so I can better understand what you mean?

I'm guessing the "ruin your day" part is that you have to interrupt your workflow for some minutes? But it's not entirely clear to me how automatic updates "mostly exist to steal your data" -- excepting software which is already stealing your data anyways (so I don't understand how automatic updates factor in). Does manually updating somehow protect your data from being stolen in a way that automatic updates don't? Or you just don't update?

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by jarofgreen on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:45AM (#28784577)
> the feature is easily deactivable

Except they have used the language of "not now" and hidden the link away instead of making it a button with equal prominence to the yes button.

That's not the behaviour of an organisation which thinks its users will be happy with what it's doing, it's the behaviour of an organisation which is trying to trick them.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by daptaq on Thursday October 07, 2021 @04:46AM (#28783757)
Knowing Mozilla, the option will be changed and renamed every version and will have to be re-enabled manually again and again.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by e3bc54b2 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:10AM (#28783927)
And eventually, Mozilla's 'telemetry' will tell them that 95% users never opt out, and that'll justify removing the opt out option entirely.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by roca on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:13AM (#28783947)
There's still a Preferences option to opt out of "Play DRM-controlled content", even though I'm sure <5% of people opt out of that. Some options stick around for the sake of principle.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by smitop on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:46AM (#28785010)
It's disabled by default. Enabling DRM installs a non-free binary from Google, and the user is prompted to install it when a website attempts to play DRM media: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by msdrigg on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:48AM (#28785527)
I wondered why they set it up like this. TIL
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by aembleton on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:34AM (#28784512)
That might be just the motivation needed to create a fork.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by deepstack on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:26AM (#28784458)
>(don't mention Brave, I'm gonna get mad)

Just wonder the reason? Is it because it support the monopoly of google rendering engine? Or other reasons?

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by morganvachon on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:24AM (#28784839)
Not OP but I've avoided Brave from the beginning because of its reliance on an ad-fueled crypto scam to generate revenue. If you're trying to avoid Mozilla's new ad-based revenue scheme, moving to a browser that is wholly funded by tracking your browsing and showing you ads while pretending to "pay" you with cryptocurrency that they never actually pay out, seems like a step backwards.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by pbhjpbhj on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:17AM (#28785244)
Except that's not at all what Brave is doing. They tried to innovate a new way to pay for content. It's complex, but it's not a scam.

Brave seems more trustworthy than FF to me right now.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by acatton on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:55AM (#28785587)
Wikipedia (and its sources) tends to disagree with you and agree with GP. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brave_(web_browse...
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by drowe859 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:32AM (#28785996)
I'm not finding the section you linked to very damning at all. Of the four issues, all were resolved quickly and according to community wishes.

1. Unverified Brave Creators UI - Two days after the complaint, Brave issued an update to "clearly indicate which publishers and creators have not yet joined Brave Rewards so users can better control how they donate and tip. Tom Scott, the original complainant, tweeted in response: "These are good changes, and they fix the complaints I had!".

2. Affiliate Links to Crypto Exchanges - Two days later, Brave released a new version which they said disabled the auto-completion to partner links, followed by a blog post explaining the issue and apologizing. Def the most scummy of the list IMO.

3. DNS Leaks with built in TOR - An issue was discovered and fixed via their Bug Bounty program, where they have an average 6 days to bounty payout.

4. A company violated their terms of service.

I definitely have my biases, although I don't use Brave daily anymore. But I don't think the controversies section you linked is particularly egregious or indicative of bad faith.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by soundnote on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:26AM (#28785935)
Tracking how? You know how browsers can download malicious software blocklists as one large local list insteas of consulting an online service for every url which would allow the provider to know what you do?

Their ad setup works the same. The browser downloads an entire country-specific catalog in one go, and decides what to show you completely locally. Whether you trust their cryptographic setup that tells them you've seen an ad is another thing entirely and is its own brand of black magic.

But the basic setup is simple. They sell adspace and show you ads from that local catalog. Brave takes a cut, users get a cut. They have a tipping service to compensate creators.

There's definitely parts that might be suspect, like that proof of having seen an ad.

And even if it all works just as intended, there is the concern that ads that don't track are generally less valuable so even widespread adoption of Brave's system would cause a decrease in ad revenue and thus ability to keep sites up and running. We've already seen the fallout of Apple's recent anti-tracking changes, and Brave's system is definitely similar in effect.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by sieabahlpark on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:55AM (#28785067)
Mozilla is woke. It's a failing company and a failing browser.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by Griffinsauce on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:40AM (#28785465)
What exactly do you think this adds to the discussion?
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by Adrig on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:46AM (#28786175)
Running on chromium is one thing, since I believe having a monopoly on what's essentially the new global operating system would not be healthy.

But Brave have just proven to be an unethical, borderline scammy project. And I'm saying this as someone who owns crypto and can see the value of advertisement in some cases.

Here are a few cases documented on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers...

And I'd add that having a business model where you put your own adds on top of ad-blocked ones is the most hypocritical thing to do.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by hsbauauvhabzb on Thursday October 07, 2021 @04:45AM (#28783744)
Outsider here: whats wrong with brave? I haven’t touched it but have no reason to distrust it, happy for you to change that for me though
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by badrabbit on Thursday October 07, 2021 @04:54AM (#28783805)
Brave is based on Chromium, it lacks some of the privacy centric features that are found in Gecko browsers. 1st party isolation,tracker blocking, containers, anti fingerprinting measures and SNI encryption are some things I can think of right now (maybe chrome as caught up now?)

Plus, Google controls Chromium and Firefox is literally the only alternative now. They push changes that are against or in in ignorance of of web standards because they can. Downstream browsers like brave,edge and opera basically have to accept whatever Google says. This isn't good for the web at all. Frankly there should be an anti-trust suit against Google for this because it is very anti-competitive.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by my123 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:09AM (#28783925)
You also have Safari (and GNOME Web on Linux) using the WebKit engine, developed by Apple as an alternative...

But that's not available on Android or Windows (the WebKit port exists there, but no good UI frontend as far I know)... which are the two big platforms. (because Apple doesn't care enough about those I guess?)

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by jeroenhd on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:15AM (#28785234)
GNOME WebKit definitely isn't Safari. A lot of websites that work in Safari were broken in WebKit last time I tried it.

It does replicate a lot of buggy behaviour in Safari so from what I can tell you can be reasonably sure that your website works in Safari if it works in WebKit, but that's the only use I've found for it so far.

As for a good UI on Windows, I think you should be able to compile GNOME's WebKit browser for Windows. It'll look terribly out of place like any GNOME application in a different environment, but I think it should work well enough to use?

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by toastal on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:45AM (#28785494)
Recently I've found the opposite to be true. I've on more than one occassion chased bugs that weren't reproducible on Epiphany and I don't own an Apple device to test Safari. The end up back-burnered because the testing situation is bad.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by my123 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:36AM (#28785428)
> A lot of websites that work in Safari were broken in WebKit last time I tried it.

If you used it in the past from the Debian repos, they didn't use to do security or feature update servicing for WebKit in their repositories. That's no longer a thing nowadays.

You can use both the Technology Preview at https://webkit.org/downloads/ or check if the version is recent on your distribution however.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by jeroenhd on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:18PM (#28792816)
I've used the webkit browser on Manjaro, which seems to pull it from the AUR which in turn is quite close to upstream.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by deepstack on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:11AM (#28784741)
Wasn't Chrome originally a fork of WebKit when G and A are still buddy buddy?
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by my123 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:31AM (#28784901)
Yes it was. WebKit and Blink then diverged massively after the fork.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by soundnote on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:32AM (#28786004)
> Brave is based on Chromium, it lacks some of the privacy centric features that are found in Gecko browsers. 1st party isolation,tracker blocking, containers, anti fingerprinting measures and SNI encryption are some things I can think of right now (maybe chrome as caught up now?)

What? One of the main points of the project is to build a browser with a whole bunch of tinfoil like tracker blocking and anti fingerprinting measures. They wrote their own built-in adblocker with Rust so it won't get fucked by Manifest v3 since it's part of the browser. They're the only Chromium browser that does CNAME uncloaking, something that uBlock Origin can only do on Firefox.

Containers are unique to Firefox, Chromium browsers handle that via separate user profiles.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by badrabbit on Thursday October 07, 2021 @11:07AM (#28787294)
I use both brave and firefox daily. Nothing against brave, it has privacy protections as you mentioned, but ff also has privacy centric features that are not in brave. I have not made an empirical evaluation to measure which is better. That said there is a ton I normally configure in about:config that I just can't in Chromium. I only use brave because Firefox isn't good at handling memory intensive sites.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by soundnote on Thursday October 07, 2021 @01:24PM (#28789452)
That is fair, but your original post basically implied that brave doesn't have a bunch of privacy features it very much has and that go beyond basically every other Chromium fork.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by rejectfinite on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:39AM (#28784536)
Try just installing base Brave

- "Sponsored" backgrounds (often crypto ads or credit cards!)

- "Cards" with more weird Crypto ads!

- Brave "news"

- Brave "rewards"

Yes I can turn all that of, and I have, but hard to recommend to normal users that dont spend 10min turning all the shit off.

They also did some weird link shit a while back.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by Barrin92 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:16AM (#28784791)
also while we're on the topic of dark patterns, the cards, the sponsored backgrounds and the crypto crap seem to be curiously enough the only settings that don't sync. on every machine you have to turn it all off manually again.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by prawnsalad on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:50AM (#28785037)
Not to mention they got caught rewriting your URLs to add their own affiliate codes, which is even worse than traditional tracking imo.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/privacy-browser-brave-busted-f...

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by ash on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:53AM (#28785571)
Please note they said it was a mistake which was quickly fixed. Bugs happen.

https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1269313200127795201

https://brave.com/referral-codes-in-suggested-sites/

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by kunagi7 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @10:07AM (#28786429)
Not my favorite browser and since I only use it on iOS my response may be a bit biased:

- Sponsored Backgrounds: just random places of the world like tropical beaches, Buddhist temples or mountains.

- Cards? Nothing at all.

- Rewards and news are under the settings menu and seem to be off.

Maybe Apple's App Store conditions prevent Brave to do a lot of its crypto stuff.

On Android, Linux or Windows I'm a happy user of Vivaldi.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by weikju on Thursday October 07, 2021 @10:36AM (#28786822)
> - Sponsored Backgrounds: just random places of the world like tropical beaches, Buddhist temples or mountains.

No, these are just random backgrounds. At some point I started seeing backgrounds advertising Crocs and stuff like that, at which point I discovered the Sponsored backgrounds option and turned that off, leaving me back with random pics of scenery

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by kunagi7 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @02:49PM (#28790565)
I installed Brave 1 year ago and I mostly use the defaults (iOS).

So... I looked up its configuration and looks like Sponsored Backgrounds are activated... But, they don't work at all. I deactivated them in case they suddenly start working.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by progval on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:00AM (#28783855)
1. There are some documented here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers...

2. it's based on Chromium, contributing to the Blink monoculture

3. BATs are based on Ethereum, which has its own downsides (still PoW, speculation, ...)

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by Freskis on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:04AM (#28783880)
Brave's business model is based on crypto-speculation.

Think of the type of business involved with that, and there's your answer.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by soundnote on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:41AM (#28786108)
No? They sell ad space, people buy ad space. Brave shows you ads, gets paid and keeps a cut from that payment, they give their users a cut from that payment. Brave has a tipping service which lets users tip sites they like. End result is advertisers can advertise, and people making content get some of the ad money, the setup's just built to not track people.

They're very straightforwardly ad salesmen like every other browser out there, they've just tried to build an ad ecosystem that doesn't track users.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by CodeGlitch on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:59AM (#28784289)
And Firefox's business model is based on Ads - both models are just as scummy as each other.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by RNCTX on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:44AM (#28784572)
Not really. The ads are just annoying. The cryptocurrency implies fraud.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by creshal on Thursday October 07, 2021 @04:55AM (#28783818)
Brave's business model is that they bribe you with company scrip ("crypto" "currency") to undergo brainwashing (watch ads), what's not wrong with that?
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by pronik on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:11AM (#28784750)
Just imagine the meltdown if Google or Microsoft built that in. Somehow, Mozilla always get the slack and a couple of months down the road they are the saviour of the privacy world yet again.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by rndgermandude on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:32AM (#28785385)
Google and Microsoft did built that a long time ago. Google Chrome will happily open a Google Search results page for anything you type into the address bar or pick from the suggestions displayed within. And that Google Search results page is full of "sponsored" content. When it comes to Microsoft, it's just the same thing except they call it Bing.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by genrilz on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:52AM (#28785049)
Google and Microsoft do build that in. Google Chrome's default search engine is Google, so the search suggestions come from Google. I am not sure that Google includes sponsored results in those suggestions, but at the very least they do harvest your data to advertise to you better in the future. Microsoft does the same thing by making Bing their default search engine.

Like with Firefox, you have to change your preferences if you want privacy.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by kunagi7 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:47AM (#28786197)
Well, both of them already include something a bit similar.

Search suggestions are displayed and the items are conditioned to your location, cookies... Pages which know how to trick themselves to the top of this suggestions get visitors straight from the user's navbar.

The main difference between Google/Microsoft's approach and Mozilla's is that the pages themselves don't pay to be displayed directly onto your browser's navbar dropdown.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by IanSanders on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:31AM (#28785372)
Google and Microsoft did much worse and got away with it
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by pronik on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:33AM (#28785396)
Microsoft maybe, they seem to be the tech bubble darling right now. Google is officially "The Evil(tm)" right now.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by toastal on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:41AM (#28785471)
Says who? Seems like neo-EEE with their current porfolio of GitHub, Copilot, Codespaces, Sponsors, NPM, Azure, VS Code, and WSL.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by pronik on Thursday October 07, 2021 @10:46AM (#28786971)
I do agree and do not trust Microsoft one inch. But I've read a lot of "Windows 10 + WSL + VSCode is the ideal dev environment" sentiments on this very site. Along with "Microsoft has changed" vibes.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by skinkestek on Thursday October 07, 2021 @02:40PM (#28790470)
They appeared to have changed but have changed back it seems and is now ripe for another lawsuit or two for abuse of monopoly power.

Just take Google Chrome first.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by leodriesch on Thursday October 07, 2021 @04:54AM (#28783816)
This just makes me worry a little bit that Firefox will take a similar route to Brave and introduce multiple streams of revenue into the browser, disguised as features that the user would want. E.g. Brave Rewards, Brave VPN, Sponsored Wallpapers.

These just clog up the interface and make it feel sketchy. I just want a normal FOSS browser, but I also understand the whole financing issue.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by Hendrikto on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:06AM (#28783899)
Financing is only an issue because they make it one.

Mozilla has tons of money, but they just

1. spend too much of it, 2. on the wrong things, 3. and always want more.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by chappi42 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:16AM (#28784398)
Maybe if they would spend it on the right things, Google would stop paying?
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by skinkestek on Thursday October 07, 2021 @02:45PM (#28790523)
Sad to say but this thought has struck me too.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by account42 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:00AM (#28785107)
I that case, Google not paying would be good for Firefox.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by FractalHQ on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:38AM (#28784131)
I’ve used Brave as my daily driver for years, and not once have I ever been even mildly inconvenienced by the optional BAT token feature. If it helps fund the browser, I’m glad- that’s better for me. I understand why people dislike it, but the outrage seems superfluous.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by ev1 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:51AM (#28784239)
I largely lost my trust in Brave after the absolute shitshow where they were hard-redirecting domains globally that you hand entered through their affiliate link redirects - you'd enter example.com and the browser would be hardcoded to not load example.com
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by soundnote on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:47AM (#28786193)
And they do need to do that. Browser makers having alternative revenue streams and reasons outside the browser-as-a-window to exist is necessary. One reason Firefox was losing market share is that it was just a window. Google, Apple, MS all provide a competitively good window but have other footprint on the web and can provide integrated services as a result.

One of the best parts about Brave is that they are trying to build independent revenue streams from things like integrated Jitsi features, an independent search engine and the like. Vivaldi builds in things like mail clients, RSS readers and a rudimentary notetaking tool.

In that vein, Pocket is a really good thing, and also helps combat link rot. The vocal Firefox userbase is moronically hostile to add-on services though, even if they are the ultimate key to Firefox's health.

http://dpldocs.info/this-week-in-d/Blog.Posted_2021_09_06.ht...

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by krageon on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:06AM (#28784327)
> easily deactivable

Such a thing should not exist in the first place. It is predatory and wrong.

> Firefox still has no alternative in the privacy / user-centric space

It is no longer in that space, because it contains advertising tech now.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by kome on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:39AM (#28784541)
> Firefox still has no alternative in the privacy / user-centric space (don't mention Brave, I'm gonna get mad).

Vivaldi perhaps https://vivaldi.com/ ?

It is still a chrome derivative, but it feel less shady and less spyware than Brave. And it's pretty good and configurable.

Firefox remain my first and main browser tho. I never ever used "proper" chrome, not even one day.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by morganvachon on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:30AM (#28784895)
Vivaldi is not open source so that's an immediate "no" from me. I'm fine with using closed source tools from time to time, but a web browser is just too important and intertwined in my life to trust a closed source offering.

In a perfect world we'd have nothing but fully open source software funded by support contracts and commercial interest in offering superior software, but the world isn't perfect and so we have to compromise sometimes. But the browser is one place I draw the line.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by soundnote on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:50AM (#28786231)
Vivaldi does keep their source out in the open for inspection, it's just not licensed so that it'd be forkable.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by morganvachon on Thursday October 07, 2021 @10:35AM (#28786803)
Not all of it.

> Of the three layers, only the UI layer is closed-source. This means that roughly 92% of the browser’s code is open-source coming from Chromium, 3% is open-source coming from us and only 5% is our UI closed-source code.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-open-source/

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by ravenstine on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:01AM (#28784301)
How many things are we going to need to deactivate in 5 years from now? First Pocket, then this; what next?

Thanks a lot for mismanaging your budget like seemingly every other non-profit, Mozilla.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by jamienicol on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:19AM (#28785845)
What's wrong with pocket?
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by skinkestek on Thursday October 07, 2021 @02:46PM (#28790535)
Pocket is fine I think.

The problem is mostly the way they introduced it.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by jamienicol on Friday October 08, 2021 @02:38AM (#28796375)
What do you mean by that?
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by soundnote on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:49AM (#28786213)
http://dpldocs.info/this-week-in-d/Blog.Posted_2021_09_06.ht...

Pocket is a good thing. It provides a reason for Mozilla/Firefox to exist.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by ssss11 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:02AM (#28783865)
We all know regular users don’t change settings. At the least it needs to be opted out by default.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by jve on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:22AM (#28784004)
From the article ai understand you must opt in to make this available: These suggestions — which aim to enhance and speed up your searching experience — are only enabled when you provide access to new data types.

People complain when the default is opted-in. Now someone makes something that by default is opted-out and... people still complain.

They ask that when someone uses telemetry, that would be shown upfront. When someone does that, they ask it to be disabled by default. And when we get disabled by default, where do we go? Remove the feature, ofcourse :)

Ads, privacy and telemetry is a hot cake topic on HN.

That button is actually a cheap way to support mozilla, if anyone cares.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by greyhat on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:08PM (#28806675)
It was on by default for a lot of users.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by atoav on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:51AM (#28785550)
Like pocket which weirdly enough keeps reappearing in my browsers bar?
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by bpoyner on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:58AM (#28785085)
Is it easy to deactivate though? I checked the group policy template provided by Mozilla, I don't see how deactivate it across the organization.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by AndyMcConachie on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:56AM (#28784652)
defaults matter
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by jedisct1 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:26AM (#28784036)
> Firefox still has no alternative in the privacy / user-centric space

Safari.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by FractalHQ on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:34AM (#28784097)
Safari’s privacy is a joke considering you can’t install browser extensions like UBlock Origin to thoroughly block trackers and other spyware. Not to mention it’s the most buggy and poorly developed rendering engine, breaking more websites than any other major browser. And it’s not even cross platform. Hardly a competitor as far as I’m concerned.
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by Tepix on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:42AM (#28784165)
Safari was the only browser to ship with 3rd party cookies disabled by default. Without Safari there'd be tons of websites that required 3rd party cookies to work. These days there are very few.

3rd party cookies make pervasive tracking much, much easier.

Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by Adrig on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:35AM (#28784105)
Fair enough, but I wouldn't call a software locked to an ecosystem "user-centric". Firefox on Android is a lifesaver in a sea of opportunistic alternatives
Re:Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions by 3r8Oltr0ziouVDM on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:44AM (#28784571)
It's not even open source.