Outcome of this is whenever we see her someone else drives, so maybe it's just a long con to save her money on gas.
This seems like it needs to be fixed with legislation. Make it illegal to track others' location without their explicit consent (hopefully this is already the case, now that I think about it), and also make it illegal for anything whatsoever to be conditional on giving that consent (e.g., make it illegal to tell your kids "I'm only helping to pay for your college tuition, or letting you drive my car, if you install Life360").
You are a mini-tyrant in training. Thinking the world's problems can all be fixed by making something illegal. Encouraging the government to interfere in intra-family relations. Never actually thinking about how any of these policies would play out. Insanity.
He is tyranically fighting parental tyrany? How ironic.
For every happy hamily I know one that's fucked up. Once you are 18, you are free to escape abusive parents, and that often means you loose their financial support. Sometimes thats what you have to do
You are 100% correct that a person ought to be entirely independent upon reaching adulthood, if he/she so chooses. You know how you do it? "Mom, Dad, I'm not going to play by your rules any more, thanks but no thanks, I'm going to make my own way out there in the world." How successful are you going to be as an independent person if you don't have the balls to make a simple statement like that, if instead of declaring independence, your only means of resolving this conflict is by calling the cops and sending your parents to jail because they "abused" you by asking you to install some app?
Parenting is not all about money. Some parents have a very specific and tyrannical idea of how their kids 'should' turn out, and will not hesitate to spend money, beatings or literal blackmail to achieve it.
Think of a wealthy father that beats his daughter because her behaviour is 'improper', or forces daughter/son into marriage. Or of Eton College which is stupidly elite and expensive, yet famous for beatings. This stuff is common enough that I've witnessed some of it, and it's not pretty.
I am not claiming the proposal on offer here would be of any help, just trying to clarify the issue
With all due respect, you've gone way, way out on a tangent that has nothing to do with the original statement or my initial reply.
What else can we make illegal? How about a parent requiring their kid to eat broccoli. How about demanding the kid maintain a C-average before joining a sports team. Let's also make it illegal for a parent to ask the kid to do some basic chores before playing video games. Surely you have some more ideas while we're at it...
Plenty of countries going to college and moving out of home are different events that happen at different times.
Same with Asian (Singapore, Taiwan, Korea, China, Japan) universities as well. I believe Europe is similar.
The "move away for college" is very much a US piece of culture.
If we want college students to have the rights and freedoms of adults, then they need the means to support themselves.
It came out of kink. Communication and consent in that case is rather important since the difference between rape and battery and a fun night is rather thin. For some getting a toilet brushed vigorously stirred in their privates is a good time for most it isn't.
Trying to apply that to normal people is not only bizarre but actively harmful. A much better one is harm minimization, everything people do is bad for them, we just want to make it the least bad it can be.
When you start using that lens pretty much all our laws which deal with children are there to make adults feel better and nothing to do with actually protecting children. E.g. sexting is the safest way to have sex. It is also the only way to have sex that two 12 year olds will be arrested and put on the sex offender registry for.
We had Contracts for thousands of years, they are a form of concent in exchange for something.
Without concent, you have no rights.
The pinephone and similar are great for anyone under 12, and hopefully will get more usable soon.
You know what is also great for anyone under 12... not having a smartphone.
There are other ways of preventing suicide, homicide, overdoses, rape, etc, which don't violate privacy, security, etc.
If we’ve literally made tragedy impossible, there’s no way we haven’t traded away a disproportionate amount of freedom to get there.
This is really going to sound dumb, but this kind of creeping surveillance is the biggest reason I hope we can make self-sufficient off-planet colonies. I honestly believe that the trend toward complete surveillance and control in the name of complete safety is irreversible, and the only way to escape it is to literally move to where they cannot physically reach you.
I’m not sure there is gain in normalizing this.
One friend's dad had playboy magazines. Another had videos. And another had games where if you knew the password (we did) it would show some 8 bit graphics with nudity.
It wasn't about sexual arousal. It was just about curiosity. Hell, my 6 year old tries to see my butt all the time. Because it's my butt and it's usually covered.
We, as neighborshood kids, had a stash in the woods of pornos we stole from family.
Personally, I think it’s best to avoid porn completely.
Pre-puberty, probably not, no interest for obvious reasons. Pre-internet, absolutely. Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, etc were prevalent. BBS's existed too.
Anyway, what I was trying to say was, pre-internet it kinda required post-puberty hormones to be motivated enough to clear the hurdles to accessing porn.
Also, to another commenter’s point, the porn I was able to access was amazingly innocent by comparison to what is probably commonly available now.
BBS's entirely predate the Internet's general availability (although of course the Internet is older than most people realize).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system
They kinda melded a little at the end of the BBS era and the beginning of the public internet era with integrated email and whatnot and you can still get to some via telnet, but they were distinct entities / networks / protocols from the internet.
I do remember a Playboy when it came out in 1971. The Willy Rey issue (girl on the stock certificate). Nice looking.
Not only were Playboys pretty rare, but they were a different kettle of fish than any modern adult images/video.
Are times better or worse? I couldn't tell you. Lots of differences. Many women never have children. Divorce is common. People aren't raised on farms with all the attendant physical realities of life. Slavery was common in most societies. People got married at young ages. Sex has been secretive or not depending on the era.
Probably the worst thing about porn is a scarring of the mind, sex as non-participatory act, exotica as normal, staring at screens, addictive behavior, the internet as a net negative.
If schools and governments wanted to help prevent suicides, the answer isn't difficult. You try to improve social security, and otherwise make an effort to foster safe environments.
Stranger monitoring everything you do and might punish you for it... is exactly the opposite.
Me.
I mean, who didnt share or look at some porn when they were 10 years old? Would it be worth it for a whole army of teachers and consultants to descend on you and file an “incident report” and a “follow up” and “de brief” for this? What a colossal waste of resources and money. The $300k for the software could be better spent elsewhere.
And yes, one suicide was apparently prevented, but then here we are again at the same argument, its like the one in the current apple/child porn case.
Should we all get monitored just because of one positive but disproportionately small outcome?