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Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by josephcsible on Sunday September 19, 2021 @05:36PM (#28588157)
> Some have even demanded that their children continue using it in college.

This seems like it needs to be fixed with legislation. Make it illegal to track others' location without their explicit consent (hopefully this is already the case, now that I think about it), and also make it illegal for anything whatsoever to be conditional on giving that consent (e.g., make it illegal to tell your kids "I'm only helping to pay for your college tuition, or letting you drive my car, if you install Life360").

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by listenallyall on Sunday September 19, 2021 @06:57PM (#28588717)
Sure this app is kind of creepy but making it illegal for a parent to demand it? Hey great, instead of my wonderful parents paying for my college I'm going to report them to the cops, and send them to jail! That will show them! Of course now there's nobody to cover my college tuition but whatever.

You are a mini-tyrant in training. Thinking the world's problems can all be fixed by making something illegal. Encouraging the government to interfere in intra-family relations. Never actually thinking about how any of these policies would play out. Insanity.

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by ClumsyPilot on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:51AM (#28592763)
"You are a mini-tyrant in training"

He is tyranically fighting parental tyrany? How ironic.

For every happy hamily I know one that's fucked up. Once you are 18, you are free to escape abusive parents, and that often means you loose their financial support. Sometimes thats what you have to do

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by listenallyall on Monday September 20, 2021 @01:07PM (#28596066)
Parents who want to pay for your college are abusive? I think you use that word extremely liberally.

You are 100% correct that a person ought to be entirely independent upon reaching adulthood, if he/she so chooses. You know how you do it? "Mom, Dad, I'm not going to play by your rules any more, thanks but no thanks, I'm going to make my own way out there in the world." How successful are you going to be as an independent person if you don't have the balls to make a simple statement like that, if instead of declaring independence, your only means of resolving this conflict is by calling the cops and sending your parents to jail because they "abused" you by asking you to install some app?

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by ClumsyPilot on Monday September 20, 2021 @01:56PM (#28596657)
"Parents who want to pay for your college are abusive? I think you use that word extremely liberally."

Parenting is not all about money. Some parents have a very specific and tyrannical idea of how their kids 'should' turn out, and will not hesitate to spend money, beatings or literal blackmail to achieve it.

Think of a wealthy father that beats his daughter because her behaviour is 'improper', or forces daughter/son into marriage. Or of Eton College which is stupidly elite and expensive, yet famous for beatings. This stuff is common enough that I've witnessed some of it, and it's not pretty.

I am not claiming the proposal on offer here would be of any help, just trying to clarify the issue

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by listenallyall on Monday September 20, 2021 @02:04PM (#28596769)
Pretty sure that beatings (and blackmail too) are already covered in the criminal statutes of every state. Requesting that a child, especially an adult child, install an app, is not, and should not be.

With all due respect, you've gone way, way out on a tangent that has nothing to do with the original statement or my initial reply.

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by LocalH on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:48AM (#28593216)
Giving parents a blank check to "own" their kids is the better solution? Not really.
Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by listenallyall on Monday September 20, 2021 @01:09PM (#28596093)
Ummm, any kid heading off to college is allowed to say no. What the world doesn't need is cops and judges deciding mundane issues like what apps he/she has on their phone and sending parents to jail for disagreeing.

What else can we make illegal? How about a parent requiring their kid to eat broccoli. How about demanding the kid maintain a C-average before joining a sports team. Let's also make it illegal for a parent to ask the kid to do some basic chores before playing video games. Surely you have some more ideas while we're at it...

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by TedDoesntTalk on Monday September 20, 2021 @04:39AM (#28591510)
Legislating parenting is always a bad idea.
Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by closeparen on Sunday September 19, 2021 @11:17PM (#28590078)
The only way college students could be meaningfully freed from parental supervision is with tuition, room, and board affordable on a student’s earning power.
Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by onethought on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:50AM (#28590471)
Outside the US I'm not sure "living at the college" is as much of a thing.

Plenty of countries going to college and moving out of home are different events that happen at different times.

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by dougmwne on Monday September 20, 2021 @05:48AM (#28591930)
That seriously depends on where you live in relation to the school you want to go to. It's really the same in the US. One difference is that I'm only aware of the US having the land grant system where many large state schools were given chunks of land away from any city to start agricultural colleges. That leads to the situation where many large and prestigious universities are nowhere near where people live, so you really must live at the school.
Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by onethought on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:27AM (#28593061)
Sure, as with anything that is geographically constrained. In Australia all the most prestigious universities are in the major cities.

Same with Asian (Singapore, Taiwan, Korea, China, Japan) universities as well. I believe Europe is similar.

The "move away for college" is very much a US piece of culture.

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by closeparen on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:08AM (#28592889)
Which further reinforces that college is extended adolescence, subject to parental supervision and control.

If we want college students to have the rights and freedoms of adults, then they need the means to support themselves.

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by onethought on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:24AM (#28593038)
No, many move out during high school. Many move out after university. They are seperate events, not in any set order.
Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by maccolgan on Sunday September 19, 2021 @06:32PM (#28588552)
How can kids consent anyway?
Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by giantg2 on Sunday September 19, 2021 @06:50PM (#28588672)
That's a great, and deep, question.
Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by kongin on Sunday September 19, 2021 @11:15PM (#28590063)
The idea of consent is a rather dumb one.

It came out of kink. Communication and consent in that case is rather important since the difference between rape and battery and a fun night is rather thin. For some getting a toilet brushed vigorously stirred in their privates is a good time for most it isn't.

Trying to apply that to normal people is not only bizarre but actively harmful. A much better one is harm minimization, everything people do is bad for them, we just want to make it the least bad it can be.

When you start using that lens pretty much all our laws which deal with children are there to make adults feel better and nothing to do with actually protecting children. E.g. sexting is the safest way to have sex. It is also the only way to have sex that two 12 year olds will be arrested and put on the sex offender registry for.

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by dougmwne on Monday September 20, 2021 @05:57AM (#28591988)
I will also point out that we are happy to wave the consent banner when it is convenient and hide it away when it is not. Where is consent in the workplace? In our economic system? Eldercare? Marketing? Data collection? Drone attacks? And on and on. We basically run our society on meme morality.
Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by ClumsyPilot on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:58AM (#28592815)
"The idea of consent is a rather dumb one. It came out of kink."

We had Contracts for thousands of years, they are a form of concent in exchange for something.

Without concent, you have no rights.

Re:Spy tech that followed kids home for remote learning by tclancy on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:01PM (#28589103)
I would be really interested in hearing from people downvoting this. What is problematic here?