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Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by californical on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:13PM (#27386009)
Interesting that they also mention that you need to get your vehicle serviced at a Toyota dealership to extend your warranty up by a year each time (up to the 10yr).

I didn’t see it in the article, but I wonder if that includes getting all of the dealerships “suggested maintenance” if you want the warranty extension to apply. I’ve had lots of sketchy dealership overcharging experiences, and if you need 5 dealership service visits to get up to the full 10 years, I can see this “warranty” costing thousands of dollars in unnecessary/fake maintenance. I’m sure that there are good actors out there, at dealerships too, but it is easy to be abused.

This seems like a tactic to bring in more money, not one that Toyota is just doing for the sake of standing behind their products. Most cars can last beyond 10yr / 100k miles, so I don’t think this costs them much. But to get the dealerships to charge you $300 for a cabin air filter a few times will probably make them more than they lose.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by mtnGoat on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:23PM (#27386115)
as an owner of multiple toyota's and a member of the related forums... i can say that toyota dealers' service departments can be hit or miss, but toyota does listen to customer complaints and takes them very seriously(personal experience). additionally toyota has a lot of dealerships, so if the one closest to you is acting poorly you can go to another. they are aware of this and it tends to keep them mostly honest. plus with a large and vocal community around almost every model they make, its pretty easy to avoid the bad dealers.

my current 4runner warranty/service plan covers all scheduled maintenance, filters, lubricants, etc. for the first 100k miles. However, I do have to bring it in yearly, even if the next oil change isn't due based on milage alone.

its certainly a money play, but also keeping their vehicles in good working order helps with a lot of metrics like resell value, longevity, etc that car buyers look at. i think toyota is the largest buyer of used toyotas.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by sharkweek on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:40PM (#27386315)
I'm pretty dealer agnostic, but Toyota has been cemented in my mind as the car brand I can trust the most. Have been in Toyotas my whole life (first car was an 89 Camry Wagon, rip), now I drive a 4Runner old enough to drink, and my partner is in a Highlander.

No matter how many times we look elsewhere, we always end up back in Toyotas. Hoping their EV R&D shows promise soon.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by steve_adams_86 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:39PM (#27387003)
Likewise, Toyota has been a rock in my car experience.

We got a 2017 highlander and apart from the god awful infotainment system it has been amazing. Sort of like computers these days, I find myself wondering when I’d need or even want to upgrade.

It hasn’t really needed service yet after 80,000km. Everything is running well. My mechanic says I must be taking excellent care of it, but I’m not doing anything I haven’t before. This thing just seems to be better designed than any VW or Ford I’ve had.

Our previous Toyota was OLD but similarly rock solid. I’ve come to like their cars a lot. A friend has a 4 runner as well that has been going strong for around 15 years.

I think what’s remarkable isn’t necessarily having something incredible to say about their cars. It’s more so that I just have nothing to complain about.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by lightsighter on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:29PM (#27387592)
In my experience, the whole 10 year warranty seems a bit excessive for vehicles that are nigh close to indestructible [1,2,3]. My parents have had multiple Toyotas that made it to 300K-400K miles. My brother's Corolla was rear-ended by a semi doing 30mph and wasn't even close to being totaled. Eight years later and he's still driving it through swamps in south Florida. They are impeccable feats of engineering.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTPnIpjodA8 [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnVZXQD5_k

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by sharkweek on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:36PM (#27387662)
As a Toyota owner, one of my favorite Onion articles:

Toyota Recalls 1993 Camry Due To Fact That Owners Really Should Have Bought Something New By Now

https://www.theonion.com/toyota-recalls-1993-camry-due-to-fa...

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by datavirtue on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:05PM (#27387312)
The reliability stems from not touching the power train design (for 20+ years). It is also the cause of the dreadful effeciency one experiences with a Toyota.

I shopped Toyota for a trucks several times and was appalled by the MPG ratings. When a Tacoma is getting far worse MPG than a F-150 it's time for an update.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by throwaway0a5e on Thursday June 03, 2021 @07:59PM (#27388926)
>The reliability stems from not touching the power train design (for 20+ years)

Why isn't the Dodge and lineup regarded as reliable?

Ford E-series is how old?

Most of Nissan's sedans are pretty long in the tooth now that I think about it.

A large part of why Toyota stuff is so reliable is that they're expensive up front both new and "newish" used. They also won't finance just anyone with a pulse like the "unreliable" brands will. So the people who get their hands on them can afford to maintain them on schedule and can afford to treat them well. You'll never see a newish Sienna owner stacking one floor to ceiling with bags of concrete to avoid paying for the Home Depot truck rental. You'll never see a newish 4Runner bouncing down the road with an out of round tire. You'll never see a newish Camry dragging ass hauling a family of 5 and all their luggage (the person with that use case in the Toyota tax bracket can justify/afford a Highlander) Can't say that about a Pacifica, Patriot or Altima.

Refinement certainly helps but Toyotas are reliable because any car would be reliable in the hands of Toyota owners. Any car would routinely make it to high mileage if they got babied for their first 100k (or so)

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by cowanon22 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:57PM (#27390060)
>Refinement certainly helps but Toyotas are reliable because any car would be reliable in the hands of Toyota owners.

This has not been my experience. Toyotas are just better built coming out of the factory. In the past I've had newish Chevy, Ford, and Nissan cars, and after about 30-50k miles each of them started having various small noises/rattles that built over time until something failed. The Toyota is just smoother overall out of the factory, and parts wear out more slowly.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by failwhaleshark on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:38PM (#27387692)
Scotty [0] would tell you to buy his Toyota Celica or maybe a used Toyota Corolla, but "all the new ones today are plastic crap."

0. Scotty Kilmer - internet famous mechanic in Houston TX - https://www.youtube.com/user/scottykilmer

Well, they did come up with the Prius, so I think they might have a shot at EVs.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by throwaway0a5e on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:03PM (#27388944)
Scotty knows his stuff about cars but he is an entertainer first and an informer second.

If you don't hit all the tropes and get people to share your content and get all the resulting clicks the algo will bury you.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by failwhaleshark on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:17PM (#27389802)
Scotty has those ironic clickbait titles down.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by e40 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:35PM (#27387650)
Dealer service centers may be hit or miss, but I've had way more misses with non-dealer repair shops. A recent one I went to ended up being more than the quoted price from the dealer.

Having said that, I recently took my Acura (Honda) to a local service station because the timing belt was quoted at near $2k and I got it done for ~$900 at a local service station. New water pump and another belt were included (as they would have been at the dealer).

What really frustrated me was the messages I was getting from the dealer. When should the timing belt be replaced? First it was 90k miles, then it was 60k miles, and because I was below both it was after 7 years (it's been 10). The other thing, for my model, some sources said "if it breaks, your engine will be damaged" but the dealer wouldn't tell me either way. I even contact Acura USA and they wouldn't contradict the dealer. Whole thing left me wanting a Toyota/Lexis.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by rootsudo on Thursday June 03, 2021 @07:27PM (#27388733)
This information is required by law to be in the owners manual, and it is different for California/rest of the USA - but same Part number so even if you are in cali, if the owners manual calls for 100k, you are probably fine.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by meowster on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:59PM (#27386527)
Toyota ignored me when a dealership did a 10k service that I did not agree to (there was only 2k miles on the car at the time). Thus when I went to to a dealerahip for my 10k service (with an actual 10k miles on the car), they wouldn't do the free 10k service that came with the purchase of the vehicle.

Toyota has good vehicles as far as I can tell, but their ignoring of me has put me off of them.

For my next vehicle, I chose a different brand, and the vehicle had some issues, but that manufacturer made things right with no hassle.

I don't know which is better: a vehicle that will most likely be good with a company that doesn't care, or a vehicle that has some issues but with a company that does care and fixes it.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by failwhaleshark on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:42PM (#27387738)
Uh, if a shop or a dealer does service you didn't agree to, you don't sign for or pay for it.

https://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2016/02/5-times-you-c...

https://mechanics.stackexchange.com/questions/21528/what-rep...

If you have a specific problem that they refuse to fix, then there's Lemon law.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by meowster on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:53PM (#27387866)
It wasn't worth escalating for me, and I have no idea if it fell through the cracks on Toyota's end, or they bet that either I didn't know the law or wasn't going to take action. (I appreciate you mentioning that in case anyone else reading this in the U.S. doesn't know that aspect of the law, but I was aware of it.)
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by failwhaleshark on Thursday June 03, 2021 @06:05PM (#27388017)
Write a professional, respectful letter to corporate (office of the CEO) including as many details as you can. No, seriously. No one gets letters anymore. Someone will see it because snail mail is so rare.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by pc86 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:07PM (#27387335)
Your singular anecdote aside, "a company that doesn't care" is not a description that could be applied to Toyota in any aggregate. It's simply not true.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by seattle_spring on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:28AM (#27390550)
Tell that to literally all of the dealerships in western Oregon trying to upcharge the RAV4 Prime by $10k-$20k. Trying to buy that car last year was the scummiest car buying experience I could have imagined, and I'll never buy a Toyota in the future because of it.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by mtnGoat on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:48AM (#27390695)
Was this “regional market adjustment“? They do that with hard to get models. Try getting a TRD Pro in a limited edition color. Most dealers will mark them up a lot. They sell at these prices, so I guess the market is doing its thing.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by pc86 on Sunday June 06, 2021 @06:34PM (#27416978)
You know there's a difference between any random dealer and the manufacturer, right?

This is like saying you refuse to play any game in the Call of Duty franchise because GameStop charges $70 instead of $60 for it.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by radicaldreamer on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:31PM (#27386210)
This ^^ I've found Toyota Marin to be fantastic for the Bay Area but when we were in Albuquerque for a while last year, the local dealership's service dept was much worse, doing only the basics and with a low attention to detail.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by failwhaleshark on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:47PM (#27387792)
TBH, Albuquerque is a hole in the ground adjacent to Atlantic City, Detroit, and east LA. I think anywhere else would be better.

If you're going to the dealer for anything other than warranty or free repairs, then you have too much money and need to be relieved of it.

- My late grandfather who was a master mechanic retired from a dealership who once sold horses and buggies in the SF Bay Area.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by actualanswer on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:59PM (#27386525)
I should check out the Marin shop. Toyota SF was really good service but their prices/charges are outrageous. I ended up going to ToyShop which isn't too far from the dealership and they are solid (they work primarily on Toyotas hence ToyShop)
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by dharmab on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:46PM (#27387788)
Changing oil annually is recommended for pretty much every ICE driven vehicle. Oil reacts with the metals in an engine and becomes acidic over time.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by giarc on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:44PM (#27386355)
The trick to look out for is dealership recommended service vs manufacturers recommended service.

I owned a Chevy Equinox and took it to a dealership for work around 80,000km (my numbers might be off, this was 5 or so years ago). They told me the transmission fluid had met it's suggested replacement. I wanted to keep warranty valid so I approved the work. Somehow I then found out that the manufacturers recommended interval was like 200,000km. I was only required to follow the manufacturers schedule not the made up dealers recommended schedule. If you ask, they give you some BS about the "local climate and amount of construction dust so we recommend different intervals etc etc". Either way, you aren't required to follow those schedules.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by ok123456 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:02PM (#27386557)
Those transmissions are garbage. They shed a lot of clutch material. It will fail before it gets to 200,000km. By the time it gets up there, if it's still working, the dirty fluid is the only thing giving it enough friction to shift. If you tried changing it at that point, it would just start slipping. A drain and fill ever 50k is the thing to do with those.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by twobitshifter on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:27PM (#27387571)
I had the opposite experience, I bought my car 2nd-hand with low miles and I went to Volkswagen dealership for the transmission service on the Dual Clutch transmission as shown in the manual. I said I’m here for the 40,000 mile service - ignorantly thinking that they follow their own manufacturers recommended maintenance. Changing the fluid in the transmission is complicated on cars with a dual clutch transmission and must be carefully done. If the transmission is damaged it’s very expensive to replace. They charged me almost $2000 and then I looked at the receipt and they didn’t change the fluid at all - in fact they did almost nothing besides jiggle the wheels and change the oil as far as I could tell! I was angry about this so they sent a tech out who tried to tell me that since it’s an “automatic transmission” it should be good for 80,000, Volkswagen just tells you to change it early.

I never returned to that dealership or any other with the car because it was clear that although they sell the cars they know almost nothing about them.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by MrRiddle on Thursday June 03, 2021 @06:57PM (#27388508)
Fluid change in DSG? There’s only oil and that’s supposed to be changed at 40k, I paid it around 150 EUR.

But yeah, your story is unfortunately a usual ordeal at dealerships.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by thesmok on Friday June 04, 2021 @02:59AM (#27391320)
Oil is fluid, oil in transmission is called transmission fluid.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by nikau on Friday June 04, 2021 @07:31AM (#27392532)
They did you a favour - lifetime transmission oil is technically correct, it just leaves out the part that not changing the oil earlier reduced the transmission lifetime massively.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by rasz on Saturday June 05, 2021 @07:46AM (#27404120)
They actually did you a favor. Modern transmission fluid management is a joke, with some even claiming lifetime oil. They just mean the lifetime of the car transmission, which is exactly the warranty period.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by calvinmorrison on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:28PM (#27386871)
Yeah, then again dealers have service bullitens regularly and lots of experience with common failures across a model. Hard to know hence why some dealers can rip people off. Happens in any scenario where trust is high and information low
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by giarc on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:52AM (#27394867)
I generally agree with your point, but no one has more information then the manufacturer. The local dealership (franchisee) only has their own information. So what's more likely, the manufacturer grossly over estimating the lifespan of their product, or the local dealership squeezing out more money from their customers? Unfortunately I feel like it's the latter.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by ilamont on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:19PM (#27386082)
Dealers must love this. Also:

as long as they are under 10 years old and have covered fewer than 100,000 miles

In North America it's very common for cars to have this many miles long before the 10 year mark.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by bydo on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:31PM (#27386215)
This "Toyota Relax" warranty appears to only apply in the UK, where average mileage is significantly lower than in the US.

Somewhere between ~8k and ~9k, according to a random BBC article I found:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-28546589

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by astura on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:51PM (#27387132)
Probably for a large percentage of the population.

FHA says the average is 14,300 miles a year, but 12,524 miles per year in our most populous state (California)

I guess that means the average American will hit 100,000 miles in 7 years.

https://www.thezebra.com/resources/driving/average-miles-dri...

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by ghaff on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:28PM (#27386170)
It's a bit under the average (13,500) but not outrageously so.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by deeblering4 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:56PM (#27387196)
Ugh yeah after having a dealer try to diagnose my failed struts as “these old Toyotas just drive like that”, bill me a $150 diagnostic fee and then try to sell me a new car...

An independent mechanic found and fixed the issue with no hassle.

Never again will I waste my time with dealerships, or any mechanic with a diagnostic fee. Far too easy for them to say “sorry couldn’t reproduce the problem, that’ll be $150”

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by mulmen on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:52PM (#27386428)
I was in the waiting room of a Toyota dealer and heard a service writer tell a woman that she would have to pay for a new oil pan because the drain plug was stripped out and service related damage was not covered under warranty.

She said the car was always serviced at that dealer and the service writer said there is no way to prove that.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by gambiting on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:54PM (#27386452)
I mean.....surely she would have been given an invoice every time so she can prove the vehicle was serviced there?
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by bitshiftfaced on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:57PM (#27386491)
How would that prove no one else ever worked on it?
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by BoorishBears on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:17PM (#27386740)
The only reason a dealer would push back against the argument is if they felt they had a pushover

I mean by that logic no work can ever be warrantied, who knows if someone went and opened up your oil drain plug if 10 miles out of the shop your car dies and it looks like someone forgot to fill it back up with oil?

Literally the only benefit I can think of for dealer visits outside of exotics is that they're usually high volume enough that in cases like this they can come up to bat for a regular. That's it.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by gambiting on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:01PM (#27386541)
You're right, it doesn't prove no one else hasn't worked on it- however there is absolutely 0 chance the dealership would win this in court, and I speak from experience of having to gone to court for similar issues. If she testified in front of the court that she only had the car serviced there AND had the documents documenting those services, the onus would be on the dealership to prove they haven't done the damage. They could defend themselves maybe by saying they use a special wrench that is physically incapable of stripping the screw(and having an expert's testimony to prove that), or any other physical or electronic signs of someone else having worked on the car - but if they can't demonstrate that then there's no way they would win such a case. Zero.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by throwaway0a5e on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:08PM (#27388977)
Think about who buys new Toyotas these days. It's a pretty well off crowd. Imagine this was a german luxury car dealership and it makes a lot more sense.

The dealer is making a calculated (at scale, not in any particular case) business decision that these people have enough money that they'll just bend over and take it rather than create a hassle for themselves by fighting.

If the dealer hadn't made business decision the service writer would be apologetic and offered a steep discount or whatever. But they did so the service writer is playing hardball.

Not the business decision I'd make but I completely understand the incentive.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by mulmen on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:20PM (#27389051)
I took my (recently out of warranty) BMW in to the local BMW dealer for a regular service. New coils, plugs and intake cleaning.

When I got it back the check engine light was on and the car was idling rough where previously it was just notifying of scheduled service and running fine. The dealer took another look and determined that I had a bent intake valve. They quoted me $15,000.00 to fix it.

They claimed this must be my fault, probably downshifting on the highway. I noted that the car ran fine when I dropped it off and a missed shift would bend more than one valve. Also, they were just doing service in the intake near the valves (with a media blaster) and that the car had 30 more miles than when I dropped it off. It seemed obvious to me that any engine damage was done by them. They insisted it was "impossible" that the damage was done by them.

I said not to do anything and that I would tow it to another shop for another opinion. Strangely they suggested I could drive the car to another shop (with a bent valve?). I had it towed and the other shop determined that one of the new spark plugs had the electrode pinched shut so it was shorting out. They also noted that the coils did not look new. They installed a new plug (~$12.00) and the car ran fine. To be sure they also did a compression test and found no evidence of a bent valve.

I went back to the BMW shop and got all my money back for the service. The service writer still had the balls to tell me that I "should be prepared for expensive service bills on these cars". I wonder how much of that reputation comes from shady dealerships ripping people off. I suspect quite a bit.

I have no proof but I think the dealership sabotaged the car on purpose. There's no way any inspection would have missed the shorted plug. The car was immediately warning of the condition after startup and was misfiring badly.

Dealerships absolutely will rip you off if they think they can get away with it.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by throwaway0a5e on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:28PM (#27389097)
Yeah that kind of crap is pretty standard.

Tech probably just screwed it up because flat rate techs are always racing the clock.

If you were just dealing with the service writer the tech probably never even knew you had issues with it until the situation was too far gone to salvage.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by mulmen on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:44PM (#27389206)
Yeah, it's a cliche at this point. BMW USA's response was so unsympathetic that I think they are ok with it as well. I certainly wont ever do business with them again.

Even if the plug was improperly gapped from the factory (or dropped on the floor) the tech would have to miss that and the fact that the car ran worse when he finished than when it arrived. And that the computer said things are worse.

It's either malicious or so incompetent that there's no practical difference.

I talked to the tech on the phone before finding out about the plug. The tech definitely knew I was having trouble. Interestingly the tech did admit it would be possible to bend a vale doing the media blasting. I guess that's why service writers exist to "manage the customer".

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by avgDev on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:05PM (#27387305)
Well in the case presented, since when she got to the dealership oil was still in the engine, there is no way the oil pan was stripped before the service, as oil would immediately leave the engine without the drain bolt.

It doesn't really matter if someone else worked on it or not. It would be highly unlikely the engine would still be running without oil, and the dealer would immediately tell her she came with no oil in the engine, not that her oil pan is stripped.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by alkonaut on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:29PM (#27386180)
I only service my car at the brand dealership and I’m sure it’s both overpriced and often unnecessary. It means several hundred dollars per year (25% sales tax etc). I wouldn’t want to buy a new-ish car with third party service stamps though, so the expensive service does retain some value.

So long as this doesn’t make service even more expensive, at least I’d get something for it that I don’t today. At the moment I tend to instead trade for a newer car once the 2-5 year warranty runs out. This would be cheaper than that at least.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by gnicholas on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:53PM (#27386442)
Yeah, my family member was told that she needed to bring her Camry in for a 5-month service at the dealer during the lockdowns, lest she void her warranty.

Ultimately when she pressed them on it, they agreed that the warranty would only be voided as to issues that would have been caught during such service call, but which were not caught and then got worse.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by ska on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:14PM (#27387416)
I seem to remember somewhere Toyota offering (shorter than 10 yr) warrantees optionally priced with basic services included - e.g. pay $X, you are covered for 5 year with 7 standard services in that time. If $X is reasonable, that's not a bad way to manage it.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by Narkov on Thursday June 03, 2021 @07:12PM (#27388629)
> This seems like a tactic to bring in more money

This is every business decision!

It's great that Toyota has measured the improvement in customer trust or loyalty being more valuable to them in the long run than shirking on quality.

I only wish more companies would do this!

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by throwaway0a5e on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:04PM (#27388954)
>It's great that Toyota has measured the improvement in customer trust or loyalty being more valuable to them in the long run than shirking on quality.

That's a funny way of framing "feeling the heat from the Koreans and Mitsubishi and offering their own comparable warranty"

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by NoPicklez on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:20PM (#27389046)
It's tough because I don't think you can excuse the fact that some dealer's try to overcharge. However on the same token I can see that in order to provide a 10 year warranty, you need to expect that your drivers are regularly servicing their cars at the appropriate intervals by the right people.

At the end of the day, you don't actually need to abide by the warranty and you can still have your standard warranty period if you don't follow the rules.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by wodenokoto on Friday June 04, 2021 @02:37AM (#27391198)
I bought a bicycle like that. It had 10 year full warranty given that I would get a service check each year at the bike shop.

It came with a service card where the price of each service check was listed. And while the price didn’t exactly double each year, they grew exponentially and would have ended up more than doubling the price of the bicycle.

I ended up forgoing the warranty and decide that a new bike was a better option.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by iab on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:35PM (#27386949)
Your post resonates with me so deeply. The Toyota dealership near me wanted close to 1k for a 90k service, and the add-ons and labor charges. Almost fainted.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by jnwatson on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:53PM (#27387147)
That is entirely normal for a 90k service depending on what the service is.

A Honda service can easily be double that due to replacing the timing belt.

Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by iab on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:04PM (#27387286)
This was between 2x-3x the price of other Toyota dealerships, not in the area.
Re:Toyota launches groundbreaking 10-year warranty (in UK) by fomine3 on Friday June 04, 2021 @03:35AM (#27391508)
I see much "car dealer is BS" arguments here but most of them are seems to from US. I'm curious what's happened in US.