( do some more search, adding “micro” )
Ok, so it IS a British Broadcasting Corporation spawn.
Ha. Excellent. I had no idea.
Thanks for spelling it out, I was about to reject the idea as funny but unlikely.
I have a hard time following the connection with M1 processors?
You get those from core dumps.
- https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/2gt7x5/just_sysad...
Though not sure how that would fit into the metaphor.
I say "sound" because I don't feel like an early adopter much; don't have one yet.
You’re completely focusing on fan noise here, but of course it also enables tiny devices with great battery life and - this isn’t completely irrelevant when you run your computer for a significant part of the day - lowered electricity cost.
Oh, and I believe these processors have quite some head room before they will reach the physical thermal limits others have already run into, so expect some more raw performance on better cooled systems.
You're optimistic there. Where's my iPhone with a 7 day battery? Last time i had a phone that lasted 7 days it was a Nokia 6210 with a b&w screen.
> and - this isn’t completely irrelevant when you run your computer for a significant part of the day - lowered electricity cost.
I care about that too, but prolly not worth mentioning on an US centric site.
Always funny to see a European head to a "US-Centric" site just to constantly take jabs at the US, which your posting history confirms.
But HN is more California (and Bay Area)-centric, if you're being technical; which is generally considered energy and eco-conscious:
https://www.bobvila.com/slideshow/america-s-10-most-energy-e...
For future reference, and to realign your stereotypes.
Oh well, good job Trump. But we're getting political so let's shut up.
Got an M1 Pro and normal daily use just doesn't trigger the fans. I can do it by, e.g., charging whilst playing Minecraft or running something that uses all 8 cores at full speed for more than two minutes-ish (`wireguard-vanity-address`, Blender render, etc.) but it's an oddity to hear them these days.
I think Intel has a huge challenge ahead but one thing that's helped them is that Skylake was competitive enough to get them through the process node mistakes (at least to this point). Maybe what we've learned is that fewer chip buyers care about performance and power tradeoffs than imagined (or at least, than I thought).
[1] - https://www.statista.com/statistics/263559/intels-net-revenu...
Commodore reported 7-year record revenue with good profit 4 years before going bankrupt. https://dfarq.homeip.net/commodore-financial-history-1978-19...
Intel's a little different though. It's not like consumer sentiment has changed like in the case of the C64->PC or BB->iPhone. AMD and ARM are strong competitors but Intel is in this position because they made a major technical misstep. Maybe more like Microsoft and the Longhorn/Vista debacle. I don't think we can conclusively say Intel or even x86 can't be competitive when they get their process figured out.
Intel has been selling same 4 core CPUs for almost 10 years now, only last year finally releasing something able to compete with Ryzens on $/core count.
This is such a weird fucking statement.
Apple literally think they own your hardware after you buy it, and Intel are the evil ones?
I don't really do fanboyism, currently own Mac, windows, Linux, Intel, amd, android, iPhone, switch and PlayStation.
I just use what I use but I don't get so attached, apple has been lacking for years. M1 is ok but honestly it feels like they've only just caught up to everyone else.
Not if you've been in the industry for long enough. And it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Apple, the "everyone just loves watching Intel suffer" (or more charitably, "watching Intel get a bit of comeuppance and much needed kick in the arse") bit stands on its own no matter who is dishing out the suffering because Intel has been a big PITA for everybody since the late 90s/early 00s. Intel is pretty much single-handedly responsible for lack of widespread ECC memory for example. They've nickle and dimed everyone and feature gated important functionality for pricing power and basically just exploited the ever living shit out of their dominant CPU position. And the last time they were getting threatened in terms of that position, they bought themselves what they needed with illegal tactics denying AMD a chance to get the ball rolling, dooming us to another 10-12 years before they could go for it again. And Intel has been this way for ages and ages. People still remember everything that went down around Itanium and how it choked off promising alternatives.
So yeah. Intel have indeed been the evil ones, and in a way that's been a lot harder to avoid than Apple which you might stop and recall has in fact always had only a tiny minority of the PC market. I mean, if you want to talk about Apple specifically:
>Apple literally think they own your hardware after you buy it, and Intel are the evil ones?
That's kind of amusing given the access Intel has given themselves at a deep level on every CPU.
>M1 is ok but honestly it feels like they've only just caught up to everyone else
This is just you being silly. "Only just caught up"? They were using Intel before so they were by definition the same as everyone else. What they've done in mobile CPU design has been genuinely remarkable. And that in turn is a genuinely good thing in general whether you use them or not, same as with AMD. We're already seeing Intel sluggishly but seriously start to respond and shift.
> ...given the access Intel has given themselves at a deep level on every CPU.
And they use that to stop end users from doing what?
Meanwhile Apple will have you paying them yearly to sign apps as they continue to build a dystopian new world order where only they control everything you can do with your own hardware. I honestly hope that their marketshare keeps growing in all categories though. The more successful they are the better chance people will rebel against them. You can't run an app business in the United States without dealing with Apple. Whatever Intel has done is hardly comparable.
Well, the new M1 computers have a built-in ability to run third-party OSes. It is not an oversight but rather something Apple intended to do and spend effort implementing in a way that fits their security model. That they did not provide any hardware documentation to go with it, is another thing.
And most of the time I forgot I did it in a matter of weeks.
I’m not sure what it’s in my current machines. It work really well.
On the other side, for some reasons all my work computers have been macs for a solid 10 years now. Basically after the intel shift.
And boy oh boy I had moment of annoyance toward Apple.
When you see “M1 beats XXXXX at XXXXX task” I don’t think anyone really cares that much about that task, but it usually makes you think, “crap, imagine what their proper MacBook Pro pro / Mac Pro chip is going to be able to do. Or what it will do in 3 years...?
Also, everyone just loves watching Intel suffer.