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Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by stevecalifornia on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:25PM (#27241214)
There are many, many videos like this: https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44

Warning, there is nothing NSFW, but it's just sickening to watch.

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by tablespoon on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:39PM (#27241948)
> here are many, many videos like this: https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44

That's brazen. Some of the shoplifters were even wearing masks, but pulled them down to their chins.

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by kukx on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:58PM (#27241539)
It makes me wonder, what the owner could do in that environment to prevent such theft, ie in the circumstances where the police cannot be bothered. I wonder if making extremely loud, directed noise to cause a discomfort for thieves is legal or effective.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by mountainb on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:05PM (#27241613)
They close down. Obviously you can't operate a retail store if that type of conduct is permitted.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by astura on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:16PM (#27241738)
Either that or they lock up all the merchandise and don't unlock it until the customer pays.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by toomuchtodo on Friday May 21, 2021 @09:13PM (#27242198)
Amazon lockers?
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by postsantum on Friday May 21, 2021 @10:14PM (#27242652)
Yes, but for people
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by pyuser583 on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:06PM (#27241621)
I was in downtown SF, in the Financial District. There’s a Walgreens there, run by a group of older Asian ladies.

A guy came in and started grabbing things from the shelf, and putting them in his bag.

The ladies started shouting “Thief! Shame! Shame! Shame!”

The guy left quickly.

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by bluefirebrand on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:51PM (#27242042)
Did he leave with the stuff? Because if he took the stuff in his bag with him when he left, that doesn't really seem like a win.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by pyuser583 on Saturday May 22, 2021 @12:12AM (#27243373)
He stopped filling his bag and walked out.

I don’t know if he was “done.” A lot of people were looking at him, and he was being screamed at.

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by calvinmorrison on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:04PM (#27241593)
In fact they sell these noise makers, they're called BoomSticks and they also launch lethal projectiles.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by dmoy on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:08PM (#27241646)
In most (all?) US localities, you can't legally shoot someone for stealing stuff from your store.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by tzs on Saturday May 22, 2021 @10:28AM (#27246847)
You generally can't shot them right off the bat, but in most places you can use non-deadly force to defend property, and if the thief responds by threatening you with death or great bodily harm, you can then use deadly force.

In some states, if you reasonably fear that using non-deadly force to stop someone from committing arson, burglary, robbery, or felonious property destruction would put you in danger of serious bodily harm, you can skip straight to deadly force.

Here's a summary from Eugene Volokh [1].

[1] https://reason.com/volokh/2020/06/02/are-people-allowed-to-u...

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by voldacar on Saturday May 22, 2021 @04:33PM (#27250020)
Thanks for posting something actually written by a lawyer.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by tinyhouse on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:12PM (#27241690)
That's good! Deadly force should only be used to prevent serious physical harm. It should be pretty easy to trace those people and put them in jail. But I'm sure the SF police didn't even bother.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by dmoy on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:16PM (#27241733)
Does SF prosecute petty theft? In Seattle we mostly don't, and haven't for years. As a result, there's usually not much point for police to put petty thieves in jail.

I'm not even sure they investigate/prosecute class C felony theft here much anymore. Above $5,000 stolen (class B felony theft), and then maybe there's a case.

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by staticassertion on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:20PM (#27241773)
I think it's a misdemeanor here.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by ultimoo on Friday May 21, 2021 @11:53PM (#27243273)
Unfortunately it's less about the police not bothering and more about the DA not bothering.

See https://stanfordreview.org/chesa-boudin-san-francisco-crime/

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by calvinmorrison on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:20PM (#27241780)
Yes this is called anarcho-tyranny.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by baby on Saturday May 22, 2021 @04:14AM (#27244581)
It’s a CVS, they can decide to close that store if they want and it would be fine for them. The real issue is for small shops or for the employees who have to deal with this kind of bs. I live in SF and I avoid downtown and convenient stores for this exact reason. And Don’t tell me about public transport.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by ryandrake on Saturday May 22, 2021 @12:28PM (#27248045)
I'm wondering why the employees (especially the one in red) are putting themselves into physical danger over a $100B corporation's cosmetic supplies. Why even get involved? Just get physically away from them and start writing the paperwork. Isn't this what insurance is for?
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by astura on Saturday May 22, 2021 @03:48PM (#27249716)
Years and years ago I worked at a store where the official policy was don't confront shoplifters or try to stop them - they'd rather lose to merchandise than risk someone getting hurt plus it's a liability issue.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by bumbledraven on Saturday May 22, 2021 @11:20AM (#27247366)
The real issue is for the people who need to or would like to live near a pharmacy/convenience store.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by throway98752343 on Saturday May 22, 2021 @01:03AM (#27243665)
How about a snare or a net trap? They're non-lethal and restrain people until the authorities arrive. (Obviously I'm joking.)
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by 01100011 on Saturday May 22, 2021 @12:43AM (#27243566)
You pay other criminals for enforcement, thus entrenching a crime culture.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by archsurface on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:28PM (#27241860)
Crikey. I see audacious shoplifting in London, but not like that.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by waynesonfire on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:27PM (#27241235)
wow, savage.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by ergocoder on Saturday May 22, 2021 @03:38AM (#27244412)
Wow, it is this blatant these days. This is just crazy.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by redis_mlc on Friday May 21, 2021 @10:21PM (#27242711)
If you watch the video to the end, you see how it escalates from shoplifting to violence when the thief doesn't get his way - essentially he doesn't know the word "respect" beyond "I demand you respect me", even in the midst of a robbery.

Having seen similar shoplifting incidents around SF, I feel bad for the security guards. They're not allowed to physically stop thieves at larger chains, but they're expected to follow and hinder them. It's a very tough job, ad prone to injury.

It's fascinating to watch the change in behavior when the "security guard" flashes his SF Police badge and says, "Actually, I'm a real cop." Then the thief drops everything, stops mouthing off, and heads for the door..

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Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by dang on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:54PM (#27241492)
Please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to Hacker News. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by redis_mlc on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:56PM (#27241512)
1) No, the video is factual, not racist.

2) Having seen similar shoplifting incidents around SF, I feel bad for the security guards. They're not allowed to physically stop thieves at larger chains, but they're expected to follow and hinder them. It's a very tough job, ad prone to injury.

It's fascinating to watch the change in behavior when the "security guard" flashes his SF Police badge and says, "Actually, I'm a real cop." Then the thief drops everything, stops mouthing off, and heads for the door..

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by guepe on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:48PM (#27241420)
Most people commit crimes because they are desperate. This is likely the root-cause here, especially given the type of crime here.
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by berniemadoff69 on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:13PM (#27241700)
there's all sorts of criminal activity that has nothing to do with acts of desperation. perhaps you meant most people shoplift because they are desperate. but that doesn't even seem to be the case either:

> These clusters comprise a typology of shoplifting, including Loss-Reactive (28% of the sample), Impulsive (20%), Depressed (18%), Hobbyist (18%), Addictive–Compulsive (9%), and Economically Disadvantaged (7%) types.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0306624X19845979

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by Vaslo on Friday May 21, 2021 @09:32PM (#27242340)
They aren’t stealing food or clothes. They are stealing gobs and gobs of makeup - you could argue maybe one or two sets, but it’s like 100. That’s not desperate, that’s just a “&@@$ you I do what I want.”
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by knubie on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:52PM (#27241465)
Desperate for makeup?
Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by tablespoon on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:41PM (#27241965)
> Desperate for makeup?

If they're desperate, they're probably desperate for cash. Makeup is small, high value, and can be resold.

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by zorpner on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:57PM (#27241530)
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3300/3300-h/3300-h.htm

"By necessaries I understand, not only the commodities which are indispensibly necessary for the support of life, but whatever the custom of the country renders it indecent for creditable people, even of the lowest order, to be without. A linen shirt, for example, is, strictly speaking, not a necessary of life. The Greeks and Romans lived, I suppose, very comfortably, though they had no linen. But in the present times, through the greater part of Europe, a creditable day-labourer would be ashamed to appear in public without a linen shirt, the want of which would be supposed to denote that disgraceful degree of poverty, which, it is presumed, nobody can well fall into without extreme bad conduct. Custom, in the same manner, has rendered leather shoes a necessary of life in England. The poorest creditable person, of either sex, would be ashamed to appear in public without them."

Re:San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge by baggy_trough on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:49PM (#27241438)
If you don't actually prosecute the crimes, that changes the equation.