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Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by t-0 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:24AM (#27119215)
A lot of these are still used, although some in slightly different contexts. A few of them could still be seen on death certificates. I have to wonder how the author decided on the list. Just looking at the first few letters:

We still describe widespread oedema as anasarca. Apoplexy is still used, but only really in the context of pituitary apoplexy. Atrophy is of course still in use. Cerebritis is still used. Cholera, obviously. Chorea is still a description of abnormal movements (Huntington's Chorea, Sydenham's Chorea etc.) Colic still used to describe a certain kind of abdominal pain. Congestion is still a term. Coryza is still used to describe the collection of symptoms you get from an URTI. Cyanosis is still the correct term. Cystitis is still the term for bladder inflammation.

Goes on and on...

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by onychomys on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:58PM (#27120462)
> I have to wonder how the author decided on the list.

The same list is found here [0], and I assume it started at the university and then was borrowed by the genealogy site. I assume it's things the OSU history department has found in Civil War letters.

[0] https://ehistory.osu.edu/exhibitions/cwsurgeon/cwsurgeon/med...

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by shadowofneptune on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:47PM (#27126370)
This list certainly makes more sense as an explanation for the layman than a list of outdated disease names. Feels like about third are still in common use.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by Fomite on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @05:46PM (#27123957)
We often also use "Breakbone Fever" to try to communicate just how painful a case of Dengue can be to those who haven't had it.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by Steve44 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:04PM (#27119797)
On a related note there are documents called "Bills of Mortality" showing weekly deaths during the plague in London during 1665 ( the year before the Great Fire ) which list the causes. There some descriptions we'd recognise and other would be a surprise to die from these days, such as "Teeth" - 113 in the week of the linked image.

Having had a quick search the best seems to be from the Wellcome Collection.

https://wellcomecollection.org/images?query=Bills+of+Mortali...

and specifically the "Diseases and casualties 15-22 Aug. 1665 from London's dreadful visitation" page

https://wellcomecollection.org/works/r4cx4qgx/items

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by darrenf on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:11PM (#27119900)
I find Bills of Mortality fascinating, and am somewhat disappointed that my favourite inscrutable-sounding cause "Rising of the Lights"[0] didn't make it into the list posted.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_of_the_lights

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by dylan604 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:37PM (#27120998)
After reading the wikipedia article, I still have no idea what this is. Lung cancer, pneumonia, some other lung disease, COVID-1619?
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by flobosg on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:35PM (#27122483)
According to one of the references[1]:

> Many doctors believed that only vulgar people used the term to ­describe a tightening sensation in the chest, difficulty breathing and a cough.

[1]: https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/wellbeing/polio-soon-off...

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by Steve44 on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @05:45AM (#27128473)
The 1926 BMJ letters page [1] has correspondence discussing what they thought it was. Nothing specifically medical, but something coming up into the throat and quite possibly croup[2]. For a butcher Lights are generally animal lungs, but the 'cure' was taking a small amount of lead shot or mercury to stop the lights rising.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2523749/pdf/brm...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croup which is now tackled with vaccines and modern medicine.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by not2b on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @05:14PM (#27123610)
"Teeth" might be some kind of infected abscess. In pre-antibiotic days you could easily die from that.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by xdennis on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:21PM (#27120026)
I can see why some old names are preferred:

> Cholera - Acute severe contagious diarrhea with intestinal lining sloughing

Also:

> French pox - Syphilis

Fun fact about Syphilis, each nation called it after the nation they thought they got it from. The French call it the Italian disease, Italians call it French, Turks call it Christian, Russians call it Polish, Dutch call it Spanish, ...

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by Armisael16 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:21PM (#27120759)
Cholera is still the preferred name for infection by Vibrio cholerae.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by Fomite on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @05:47PM (#27123979)
This is one on the list that genuinely confuses me - Cholera is still very much in use as a medical and epidemiological term.

There are several others. "Dengue" is something we're currently developing vaccines for, not some Olde Tyme Plague.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by vmception on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:18PM (#27122295)
I’ve travelled enough to hear urban legends slightly distorted

Basically anywhere you go in the world there is a group of people that “has genes that dont metabolise alcohol” and this is presented as scientific fact with no study existing whatsoever, and masquaraded as the tolerant way of acknowledging problems integrating with that group of people

“But I heard from” doesnt matter who you heard it from, show the study and show why it is a good study, or drop the idea completely (or fund the study)

It can be the US, the UK, Central Europe, Asia, people repeat the same thing about another group of people in that area. Maybe its true in one of those places about one of those people. Or not.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by wahern on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @04:02PM (#27122803)
It's a real thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction

Ask anyone who possess two copies of the acetaldehyde dehydrogenase-deficient allele.[1] Or if you want objective data, look at incidence of esophageal cancer relative to alcohol consumption.

It's just not as universal in various communities as sometimes assumed. And rather than make one more prone to alcoholism (i.e. as might be believed wrt Native Americans), the current scientific conjecture is that it makes one less susceptible because of the discomfort. Though, needless to say, indulging in such conjectures doesn't have a great track record, with or without the imprimatur of science. There are few if any facts that can't be twisted to serve some cultural prejudice.

[1] 23andMe.com test for these polymorphisms. I presume similar genetic tests do, too, as the function is so well established.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by vmception on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @04:37PM (#27123195)
Yes great overview and that allele frequency graph is the best! I didnt know how to articulate it and assumed someone would just deflect toward east asian.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by retrac on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:18AM (#27114478)
Not all so old. Many of those are diseases still very much with us and referred to by the same names. Tetanus and delerium tremens are still on some death certificates today. At least to me, lockjaw and the shakes are still colloquial terms for them, even. I wouldn't find it odd if someone used them. Though calling TB consumption would be a bit pretentious.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by dijit on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @07:53AM (#27116946)
It was only 150 years ago that consumption was the preferred medical term.

To put it into a little perspective: the Brooklyn bridge was built while this was still in general accepted use.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by echelon on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:11PM (#27120637)
I think I heard my grandfather mention the term once or twice. "Died of consumption." I never knew what it was.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by ggm on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:47AM (#27114316)
Patrick OBrien made up a disease "Marthambles" which other authors have sometimes used (probably, taking him as a reliable source because he mines the letters and journals of real napoleonic era naval people and associated families)
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by Gene_Parmesan on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:05PM (#27120547)
Love those books. Not often I encounter someone else who's read them. Which is maybe a little unusual as it's not like they're unknown or rare. I guess Napoleon-era naval warfare is maybe a bit of a niche nowadays.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by syncsynchalt on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @04:46PM (#27123293)
The movie (Master & Commander: The Far Side Of The World) made from the plots of several of the books was pretty good too.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by ggm on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @01:03AM (#27126773)
the fan-list pretty much went 50/50 on it. mashing several books together made sense filmic-wise but ruined the chance of significant followups on the real plot inherent in the books. It was beautifully shot. Rusty is a bit of a dog, but was a reasonably well cast Aubrey. I'm less sure Paul Bettany caught the Maturin role, but we're down in the weeds.

Peter Weir: Picnic at hanging rock, Gallipoli. Dead Poets. Trueman show. Amazing backlist of films.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by ilamont on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:24AM (#27119212)
On one 1800s death certificate, the cause of death was listed as "drank Paris Green accidentally."

"What's Paris Green?" I asked an older family member.

"Insecticide" was was the reply. It's also a pigment once used in fireworks. Extremely toxic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_green

What a terrible way to die.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by gumby on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:32PM (#27120188)
Note also that that could be a euphemism (or simply a cause of) suicide. As suicide was considered a sin (and also often considered scandalous by the surviving family) it was rarely mentioned on death certificates.

Sort of like the precipitous decline of alcohol-related deaths during prohibition: clearly prohibition must have prevented (or delayed!) some alcohol-related death, but out of respect for the family another cause of death was commonly used instead during that period.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by nitrogen on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:23PM (#27120790)
Note also that that could be a euphemism (or simply a cause of) suicide. As suicide was considered a sin (and also often considered scandalous by the surviving family) it was rarely mentioned on death certificates.

Interestingly in modern times, at least in conservative areas, sometimes police/coroners will label an accidental self-hanging as suicide, as that's less embarrassing to the family than the reality.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by antihero on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:53PM (#27121232)
That is extremely fucked up. If a family member accidently killed themselves trying to jerk it there'd at least be some sort of closure, if they supposedly killed themselves people would be running around in circles trying to figure out how they'd missed the signs, what impact they could have had on the person, etc.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by retrac on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @03:37AM (#27127712)
In such circumstances, the family often would know the truth. And that is put to save them the social and other repercussions.

A friend of mine took his own life. The obituary said sudden accident. It's what his family will say in most situations. But they know.

It would be very twisted to keep relatives in the dark, though I'm sure someone has done so and thought it a kindness.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by fridif on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:32PM (#27120920)
Why not just list the cause of death as "accident", instead of "accidental self hanging" (embarrassing and needlessly specific), and also instead of "suicide" (since it wasnt their intent to kill themselves)
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by autoexec on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @02:33PM (#27121731)
"accident" doesn't tell you anything about what caused their death. They could have been hit by a car, stepped on by an elephant, electrocuted in the bathtub etc. They'd be better off ignoring if it were intentional or accidental and just listing what killed them like asphyxiation, heart failure, etc although that can have problems too since life insurance may or may not pay out without knowing if it was suicide
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by thechao on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:43PM (#27122576)
Misadventure is my favorite euphemism.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by DanBC on Thursday May 13, 2021 @07:32AM (#27140929)
Depending where you are, misadventure isn't really a euphemism. In England:

Suicide means the deceased did something to end their life, and had the intention of ending their life when they did it.

Misadventure means the deceased did a risky thing and died, but did not have the intention of dying when they did it.

Accident means the deceased was doing a normal activity and died.

Definitions of the manner of death can be nice and clear on paper, but are much harder to apply to the situations of a person's death, so there's lots of overlap between suicide and misadventure. It's often difficult to show intent, and so those deaths sometimes get called misadventure, or they have a narrative conclusion.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by vmception on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:14PM (#27122251)
I would just assume it was a euphemism for suicide
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by petertodd on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @07:57PM (#27125100)
> Interestingly in modern times, at least in conservative areas, sometimes police/coroners will label an accidental self-hanging as suicide, as that's less embarrassing to the family than the reality.

I've actually read an interview with a parent who lost a child that way who said it gave them comfort knowing that their child's death was simply an accident, rather than a mental illness problem that they could have missed.

Wish I could remember how to google it and get an actual cite. IIRC it was in the New Yorker or something.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by hinkley on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:49PM (#27121163)
It was also used as a pigment. They made it for paint.

I believe when I learned about Paris Green, in some documentary, it was mentioned that it was also briefly used for consumer goods. My association of Paris Green is a picture of a rich green notebook cover and the narrator saying that scholars have to wear gloves to read its contents. Name of the Rose vibe going on there, but the theory is that it was used to keep rodents from chewing on the books.

Also if you're collecting old books, be careful of the green ones. It seems they started with Paris Green in the 1600's but continued using arsenic for green colors all the way into the 20th century: https://daily.jstor.org/some-books-can-kill/

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by saalweachter on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @04:08PM (#27122872)
It was also a really, really, bad idea to use your mouth to put a fine point on your paintbrushes throughout history.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by hinkley on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:01PM (#27126116)
I have some recollection of a paint that used uranium, but the current front runner for me is Naples Yellow, which is three lead, one antimony, and four oxygen atoms. Definitely don’t lick that brush.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by mns on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:04PM (#27122117)
My aunt and uncle both died of this, together with around 5 or 6 more people in the early 90s when one of their neighbors, an old lady, baked a cake for a birthday and mistakenly used Paris Green. She managed to poison all these people and, none survived, while she didn’t manage to have any of the cake and lived. Wanted to see if I can find anything online about this, but there’s not much saved from newspapers in Bucharest, Romania from that time.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by permo-w on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:58PM (#27122767)
How do you mistakenly put insecticide in a cake?
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by ljf on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @05:44PM (#27123936)
Also used as a dye so maybe for food colouring?
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by permo-w on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @07:13PM (#27124794)
Ah that makes sense
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by permo-w on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:57PM (#27122748)
If I’d been forced to guess what Paris Green was, I would have gone with Absinthe
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by IncRnd on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:16PM (#27120694)
Until I read the part about "insecticide" I thought that might have referred to drinking too much of the Green Fairy. After all, absinthe was banned there.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by permo-w on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:58PM (#27122764)
that would have been my guess too
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:47AM (#27119553)
>What a terrible way to die.

This is the 1800s we're talking about, a time when people routinely died from infections and sepsis. Organ failure over a couple days is a walk in the park by comparison.

Yeah they both look like crap from a comfy 21st century office chair in an air conditioned building but so does practically every other reality of 19th century life.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by meepmorp on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:15PM (#27119956)
> Organ failure over a couple days is a walk in the park by comparison

The symptoms of acute arsenic poisoning are vomiting and severe diarrhea, severe stomach pain, convulsions and muscle cramps. Your hair falls out, you vomit and piss blood, then after a few days, you fall into a coma and die.

Doesn't sound markedly better than sepsis.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by amelius on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:50PM (#27122660)
Is anything with arsenic in it ever not toxic?
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by carlmr on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @04:05PM (#27122831)
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by js2 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:21AM (#27119161)
I was watching a TV show set during the depression and a doctor referred to a child who had grippe (pronounced "grip"). DDG took me to this list.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by roelschroeven on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:51AM (#27119613)
"Griep" is still the Dutch word for influenza.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by cyphar on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @09:12PM (#27125562)
Same in Serbian (грип/grip) and probably most other Slavic languages.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by oblio on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:42PM (#27122566)
Same in Romanian (gripă). I imagine English is the outlier.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by figomore on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:06PM (#27119823)
Gripe em Portuguese.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by spacechild1 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:10PM (#27119891)
And Grippe in German.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by Mordisquitos on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:37PM (#27120242)
Y “gripe” en español.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by hungryforcodes on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:49PM (#27120389)
Also “grip” in French, no?
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by fra on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:31PM (#27120901)
Gripe
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by publicola1990 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:00PM (#27119731)
"Gripe" is used to describe gastrointestinal illnesses affecting infants and small children.

There is tonic/patent medicine called "gripe water" still used widely in the Commonwealth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gripe_water

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by mxmilkiib on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:25AM (#27119227)
https://youtu.be/Uo0SfynGFig

Diseases of Yore by MC Frontalot

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by Normille on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @04:08AM (#27115481)
Interesting list. When doing genealogy, I have sometimes wondered what terms on ancestors' death certificates equated to in modern parlance.

One or two odd ones in that list though. Especially considering they've supposedly appeared as causes on a death certificate.

For example: Scrivener's palsy - Writer's cramp

The mind boggles!

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by tomgp on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:17AM (#27119113)
Clearly you’ve never played “Trauma Centre” on the Nintendo DS for the entire duration of a LHR to LAX flight
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by WarOnPrivacy on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @02:07PM (#27121401)
A lot of occupations from early 1900's census are fairly weird and awesome.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by tpoacher on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:47PM (#27122622)
Half of those names aren't 'old'. They're just 'medical'.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by gfaure on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:05PM (#27120548)
"Eel thing" for erisypelas sounded odd to me as the name for a skin condition. The only references I could find online are to copies of this list, so perhaps it was a transcription error.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by dred_prte_rbrts on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @02:57PM (#27122036)
I never knew Writer's cramp could cause death? Seems rather extreme for something that prevents you from writing to cause death?
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by eurasiantiger on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @07:25AM (#27116692)
We’ll need another one of these in a few decades.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by WarOnPrivacy on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @02:01PM (#27121333)
I just ran into a series of 1904 NYC deaths attributed to "Slocom Disaster". Most of them were kids.

I've entered hundreds of NYC deaths from that period but never ran into that one before.

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by canucker2016 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @02:37PM (#27121785)
from https://www.nypl.org/blog/2011/06/13/great-slocum-disaster-j... :

    The PS Slocum, built in 1891, was a paddle boat or sidewheel passenger ship. On June 15, 1904, the ship carried 1,358 passengers, plus crew.

    Chartered by the St. Mark's Evangelical Lutheran Church for $350.00, the passengers came mostly from the German-American community of the Lower East Side. 

    Most of the passengers were women and children. As the ship made its way up the East River, good times turned bad very quickly. There have been varying accounts of how the fire started, but it spread rapidly within a half hour of leaving dock around 9 a.m. The panic was horrific among the passengers as they faced death by drowning or being burned alive on the ship. 

    ... Only 321 passengers survived from a total of 1,358 passengers. The final death count totaled 1,021. The next largest death toll in the United States would come decades later with 2,974 dead from 9/11.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by tomgp on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:20AM (#27119140)
> Rubeola - German measles

In the UK at least this would now be

German measles - Rubella

(edited for line breaks)

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by bregma on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @02:50PM (#27121952)
Rubeola (measles) and Rubella (German measles) are two separate diseases caused by different pathogens.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by Cerebrum1234 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @03:13AM (#27115161)
Here are some disease names that are still frequently found on death certificates such as malaria fever, yellow fever, dengue fever, bloody stools and many more
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by thih9 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @05:00PM (#27123458)
How old? I'd love to have a reference point. Does anyone know whether these are from 1900s, 1800s, perhaps a different period, or mixed?
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by duxup on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:29AM (#27119273)
Are these wrong to use? It seems like the page shows a 1:1 relationship with other terms that you could easily find.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by Out_of_Characte on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:43AM (#27119489)
Congestive chills might have been meaningful at one point but now I doubt anyone would recognise that that's the name for Malaria.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by kuroguro on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @01:21PM (#27120755)
Some of the disease names look so mysterious they'd fit great as lore in an RPG.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by dev_tty01 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @06:35PM (#27124461)
I don't see physician incompetence in the list. Seems like a big oversight...
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by emmelaich on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @10:13PM (#27125895)
I thought "bloody flux" was dysentery, not just bloody stools.
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by daveslash on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @05:07PM (#27123542)
"Bone shave - Sciatica"

People die of Sciatica!?!? :-|

Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by Pfhreak on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:38AM (#27119411)
Surprised terms like "excited delerium" and hysteria don't make an appearance here. (But heat stroke does, which is a term I still hear regularly.)
Re:Old disease names frequently found on death certificates by bregma on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @02:52PM (#27121979)
"excited delerium" is not a medical term and has only been invented fairly recently by law enforcement authorities so don't expect it to appear on historical medical documents.