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Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by freeqaz on Monday September 14, 2020 @08:29AM (#24469289)
I just swapped from Android to an iPhone for privacy concerns. The other side of the fence is pretty user hostile as well. Google makes you disable a lot of functionality on the phone if you try to get out of their invasive tracking. And they are constantly nuking apps that I use like Google Play Music and Google Inbox.

Maybe check out PinePhone if you're interested in hacking something together!

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by Abishek_Muthian on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:40AM (#24469978)
>I just swapped from Android to an iPhone for privacy concerns.

Understandable, if Apple's claim on Privacy is to be trusted, then it does seem to be a better alternative to android when it comes to privacy; But for a power user android ecosystem offers more without rooting, is not dependent upon 'trust on a company alone' and there's no separate power-user level ecosystem for iOS without jailbreaking.

e.g.

• AOSP, so there's LineageOS as aftermarket alternative, /e/ with e foundation phone or Fairphone, dozens of other alternatives.

• Firewall VPN for android are more refined e.g. Netguard (open-source) even allows selective blocking of connections per address/ per app; this is the closest thing to Little Snitch on macOS.

• Tasker allows automation to such an extent that, several things which required writing apps can now be performed by creating tasks. Tasker is Siri shortcuts on steroids without Siri.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by selfhoster11 on Monday September 14, 2020 @08:59AM (#24469554)
You can deactivate pretty much all the Google apps you're not using. I use VLC, Firefox and K-9 Mail instead of the default Google apps and have been doing it for ages. Pretty much doesn't break anything, other than some banking apps that immediately assume you must have Gmail installed, so they direct you to that instead of your default email client. That's not a big deal, you can just open your email client by hand. A small price to pay for giving less space to Google on your phone.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by oneplane on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:03AM (#24469605)
But you can't disable play store and framework(s) without losing a ton of integrated facilities. Probably also why the integrate most ad and tracking stuff in there.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by Wowfunhappy on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:08AM (#24469660)
> But you can't disable play store and framework(s) without losing a ton of integrated facilities.

But can’t those basically be considered part of the operating system at this point? I can’t disable Apple frameworks on my iPhone either. Mind, iOS of course does less user tracking.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by freeqaz on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:54PM (#24474374)
> But can’t those basically be considered part of the operating system at this point?

That's exactly why I switched because the idea that I can't disable Play Services is bonkers. It does look like MicroG (open-source replacement) is maturing a lot recently though!

> I can’t disable Apple frameworks on my iPhone either. Mind, iOS of course does less user tracking.

Apple makes their money up front by me purchasing the device. That's why they're expensive. They are a hardware company.

Whenever you use an iOS feature for the first time, you are prompted with a privacy policy statement that is presented in both a summary and a long form to be read before you click agree. And they have an icon that they show you whenever data will leave your device.

With them being the forward about it, I trust it way more.

If you don't believe me, go and read this[0] privacy policy on (arguably) the creepiest feature that Apple provides you (Siri).

Some quotes from it:

> Siri Data is associated with a random, device generated identifier. This random identifier is not linked to your Apple ID, email address, or other data Apple may have from your use of other Apple services.

> Siri Data and your requests are not used to build a marketing profile, and are never sold to anyone.

That immediately hits me differently from Google's policy (I read it a long while ago now), and it makes me view Apple with enough of a positive light to make the ecosystem jump.

0: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210657

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by gowld on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:15PM (#24475774)
> Apple makes their money up front by me purchasing the device. That's why they're expensive.

Apple also charges 30% of much of your software and content purchases, and the hardest isn't particularly expensive relative to similar competitor hardware.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by freeqaz on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:18PM (#24476224)
> Apple also charges 30% of much of your software and content purchases

Ah, yeah. That's a good point!

> the hardest(hardware) isn't particularly expensive relative to similar competitor hardware.

Their margins are higher though because they are more vertically integrated. Especially on the higher end phones, they make serious $

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by RealStickman_ on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:23AM (#24469811)
You could try out LineageOSformicroG. (Basically LineageOS + microG + signature spoofing patch) It's not 100% of the user experience, but most things work well enough that it's worth it imo. (Running this daily on my OnePlus 3 since last year or so)
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by em-bee on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:13AM (#24469707)
/e/ ( https://e.foundation ) provides a google free android experience. i am quite happy with it.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by freeqaz on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:55PM (#24474388)
Thank you for sharing. This is awesome! It looks like they replace Google Play Services with MicroG and so this is (fairly truly) a full de-Google'd phone. I might try to flash this on my old phone sometime soon. :)
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by dylan604 on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:30AM (#24470578)
How is anything Android Google free? Is Android its own separate entity not under the Google/Alphabet lineage? This has kept me from seriously considering Android as something I could ever use.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by colejohnson66 on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:00PM (#24471714)
They don’t mean it’s Android with no relation to Google; they mean that it’s Android with the Google parts removed.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by dylan604 on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:29PM (#24472732)
I guess I'm asking what part of Android is not Google? I get trying to detach apps like GMail, Maps, PlayStore, etc. But if Google created Android, why is it assumed to be okay of doing Googly things?
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by em-bee on Monday September 14, 2020 @02:19PM (#24473327)
the concern is not code written by google, but code that depends on googles infrastructure, requires a google account, phones home, gives google control over my phone, is not released under a FOSS license (so i can't change it), anything that violates the users privacy...

so what /e/ is doing is essentially an audit of android, and an attempt to remove everything that is of concern.

it's a major project, and it's not complete. work in progress.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by gowld on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:17PM (#24475789)
Android core (AOSP) is Apache-licensed free open source.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by benologist on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:15AM (#24470391)
You can block a lot of apps individually from accessing the internet with NetGuard -

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.faircode.netguard/

https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by dontcarethrow2 on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:49AM (#24470792)
This and disabling google apps. Surprisingly not much of a difference in functionality, my data usage is low, downloaded local maps on OSM. Motorola something
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by iknowstuff on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:25PM (#24472010)
Fun fact, Google allows end to end encrypted backups, but Apple - due to pressure from the FBI - decided to keep access to your iCloud backups.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

So if you use their cloud services, both Apple and Google have access to your photos, but Apple has access to all of your whatsapp and signal conversations, while Google does not (if you decide to password protect your backups).

And you have to use iCloud if you want to keep your 3rd party chat history safe, unless you jailbreak to extract it from the file system.

iMessage is of course purposefully flawed to allow for MITM.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by mafredri on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:05PM (#24474491)
This is not true for Signal, the conversations are safe as they are stored on device only, not in iCloud.

https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059752-Ba...

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by pseudalopex on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:00PM (#24474441)
Signal on iOS blocks even local backups, FYI.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by tandr on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:20PM (#24472635)
Yeah, death of Google Play Music will be remembered, and mentioned in the same saga as Google Reader's demise.

I would love to know how many subscribers of Google Music have they lost during this transition to YouTube music. Not that I think Google actually cares, and seeing how big companies BS themselves from inside, they probably sooth themselves with "it is temporary", "we will catch up on features", "they will come back".

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by vidanay on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:56PM (#24473072)
They lost me (I switched to Spotify), the problem is that now that I have cancelled my YouTube premium, YT is INCREDIBLY PAINFUL with ads.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by LegitShady on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:34PM (#24472786)
Everyone who paid for Google music for moved over to YouTube music. I don't think they've lost much yet. I hate the YouTube music app but the music and playlists are still there.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by tandr on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @03:39PM (#24496689)
Yes, I moved it too. Then cancelled the subscription altogether. I just cannot stand how badly everything sounds on it (everything is so "flat").

With Apple One now being announced, I am investigating if I can move everything there, but keep my Android phone for now.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by kop316 on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:04AM (#24469618)
Right now my android phone is GrapheneOS with no Google Play Services/Apps. I download everything via F-Droid. However like you said, there is a lot of functionality disabled.

I have a Pinephone and hope that sooner then later that I can use it full time.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by pc86 on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:37AM (#24469944)
I used Play Music and Inbox as well, and also just switched (3-ish months ago?) to an iPhone.

The YouTube Music app is not that bad, but definitely missing a feature or three that I used a lot on Play. It also seems to need to be manually started every time my phone connects to Bluetooth whereas Play would start automatically if it was the last thing that was playing on that BT connection.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by keanebean86 on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:29AM (#24470555)
Youtube music's biggest drawback is being required to subscribe to listen with the screen off. I was willing to change interfaces since I thought google play music was reasonable. Then my free trial ended.

I switched to Spotify and I'm glad I did.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by freeqaz on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:57PM (#24474407)
I use Spotify for 95% of my listening. Their ability to sync songs that aren't on Spotify though is pretty bad, and that's why I used Play Music. There are just some albums/bands that I want to listen to that aren't easily available without having the raw MP3 somewhere.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by danmg on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:45AM (#24470038)
I'm considering HarmonyOS for my next phone.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by sudosysgen on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:23AM (#24470484)
What makes you consider HarmonyOS? Just curious.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by dvfjsdhgfv on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:00AM (#24469570)
For these rasons I use two phones. Apple for banking and communications involving personal data and Android for Gmail, music and ebooks.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by pc86 on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:38AM (#24469961)
Which one do you use the calls/texts?
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by dvfjsdhgfv on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @03:02AM (#24478588)
Iphone for my family, Android for everyone else.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by extremeMath on Monday September 14, 2020 @08:49AM (#24469458)
Wait until you download all the same apps and get 0 privacy benefits.

The problem is barely Google. The problem are the Apps you download and giving full permissions.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by RealStickman_ on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:25AM (#24469825)
In terms of privacy you should be mostly fine if you stick to F-Droid and use microG instead of Gapps.