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Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by selfhoster11 on Monday September 14, 2020 @08:59AM (#24469554)
You can deactivate pretty much all the Google apps you're not using. I use VLC, Firefox and K-9 Mail instead of the default Google apps and have been doing it for ages. Pretty much doesn't break anything, other than some banking apps that immediately assume you must have Gmail installed, so they direct you to that instead of your default email client. That's not a big deal, you can just open your email client by hand. A small price to pay for giving less space to Google on your phone.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by oneplane on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:03AM (#24469605)
But you can't disable play store and framework(s) without losing a ton of integrated facilities. Probably also why the integrate most ad and tracking stuff in there.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by Wowfunhappy on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:08AM (#24469660)
> But you can't disable play store and framework(s) without losing a ton of integrated facilities.

But can’t those basically be considered part of the operating system at this point? I can’t disable Apple frameworks on my iPhone either. Mind, iOS of course does less user tracking.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by freeqaz on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:54PM (#24474374)
> But can’t those basically be considered part of the operating system at this point?

That's exactly why I switched because the idea that I can't disable Play Services is bonkers. It does look like MicroG (open-source replacement) is maturing a lot recently though!

> I can’t disable Apple frameworks on my iPhone either. Mind, iOS of course does less user tracking.

Apple makes their money up front by me purchasing the device. That's why they're expensive. They are a hardware company.

Whenever you use an iOS feature for the first time, you are prompted with a privacy policy statement that is presented in both a summary and a long form to be read before you click agree. And they have an icon that they show you whenever data will leave your device.

With them being the forward about it, I trust it way more.

If you don't believe me, go and read this[0] privacy policy on (arguably) the creepiest feature that Apple provides you (Siri).

Some quotes from it:

> Siri Data is associated with a random, device generated identifier. This random identifier is not linked to your Apple ID, email address, or other data Apple may have from your use of other Apple services.

> Siri Data and your requests are not used to build a marketing profile, and are never sold to anyone.

That immediately hits me differently from Google's policy (I read it a long while ago now), and it makes me view Apple with enough of a positive light to make the ecosystem jump.

0: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210657

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by gowld on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:15PM (#24475774)
> Apple makes their money up front by me purchasing the device. That's why they're expensive.

Apple also charges 30% of much of your software and content purchases, and the hardest isn't particularly expensive relative to similar competitor hardware.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by freeqaz on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:18PM (#24476224)
> Apple also charges 30% of much of your software and content purchases

Ah, yeah. That's a good point!

> the hardest(hardware) isn't particularly expensive relative to similar competitor hardware.

Their margins are higher though because they are more vertically integrated. Especially on the higher end phones, they make serious $

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by RealStickman_ on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:23AM (#24469811)
You could try out LineageOSformicroG. (Basically LineageOS + microG + signature spoofing patch) It's not 100% of the user experience, but most things work well enough that it's worth it imo. (Running this daily on my OnePlus 3 since last year or so)
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by em-bee on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:13AM (#24469707)
/e/ ( https://e.foundation ) provides a google free android experience. i am quite happy with it.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by freeqaz on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:55PM (#24474388)
Thank you for sharing. This is awesome! It looks like they replace Google Play Services with MicroG and so this is (fairly truly) a full de-Google'd phone. I might try to flash this on my old phone sometime soon. :)
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by dylan604 on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:30AM (#24470578)
How is anything Android Google free? Is Android its own separate entity not under the Google/Alphabet lineage? This has kept me from seriously considering Android as something I could ever use.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by colejohnson66 on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:00PM (#24471714)
They don’t mean it’s Android with no relation to Google; they mean that it’s Android with the Google parts removed.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by dylan604 on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:29PM (#24472732)
I guess I'm asking what part of Android is not Google? I get trying to detach apps like GMail, Maps, PlayStore, etc. But if Google created Android, why is it assumed to be okay of doing Googly things?
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by em-bee on Monday September 14, 2020 @02:19PM (#24473327)
the concern is not code written by google, but code that depends on googles infrastructure, requires a google account, phones home, gives google control over my phone, is not released under a FOSS license (so i can't change it), anything that violates the users privacy...

so what /e/ is doing is essentially an audit of android, and an attempt to remove everything that is of concern.

it's a major project, and it's not complete. work in progress.

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by gowld on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:17PM (#24475789)
Android core (AOSP) is Apache-licensed free open source.
Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by benologist on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:15AM (#24470391)
You can block a lot of apps individually from accessing the internet with NetGuard -

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.faircode.netguard/

https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard

Re:Apple Tried Charging the Price of a New MacBook Pro for a... by dontcarethrow2 on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:49AM (#24470792)
This and disabling google apps. Surprisingly not much of a difference in functionality, my data usage is low, downloaded local maps on OSM. Motorola something