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Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by mattlondon on Saturday August 29, 2020 @04:02PM (#24319001)
Just out of curiosity, am I the only one that seems to be happy to just sit on a dining chair when at my desk?

When the WFH wave hit, people seemed to be going mad buying webcams and office chairs. Loads of people I work with spent a lot of energy researching and discussing chairs etc.

I have a sit-stand desk and I stand for perhaps 2 to 3 hours any working day. But the rest of the time I just sit on a normal old wooden dining chair. No pain. No aches. No RSI. No CTS.

I've been doing this for decades and nothing seems to have gone wrong yet. I do run 2 to 4 times a week so I do wonder if that helps avoid problems?

Are all the uber-expensive office chairs just snake oil? Or have I just been lucky?

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by m463 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @08:52PM (#24320477)
I found youth will overcome a lot of bad ergonomic habits.

You are doing well by standing. Keeping your core strong will help.

The thing you have to ask yourself is - are you using willpower to overcome bad seating? If you have good ergonomics you will maintain good posture even when you're tired. The idea is to balance your body so it stays in place. Keep your head balanced, your arms relaxed without hunching your shoulders, your wrists at a good angle. If you're looking to the side or up or down, you're going to use muscles instead of balance to maintain your position. (Laptops are not ergonomic and are responsible for long term damage to your body - there are no osha approved laptops)

If you have your wrists at a bad angle, on the hard desk or across the sharp edge of a keyboard, the little ropes and pulleys that get your forearms to move your fingers will wear out. (I use a wrist rest to maintain position, and keep everything warm and comfy)

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by raindropm on Sunday August 30, 2020 @12:22AM (#24321346)
>I found youth will overcome a lot of bad ergonomic habits.

So true. You can sit on anything with any awkward position you want, sleep 3 hours a day, and don't feel a thing.

Then you turn 30...

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by mihaaly on Sunday August 30, 2020 @04:35AM (#24322174)
At 47 I like dining table chairs almost more than office chairs. Office chairs only help with positioning myself to the desk as those roll and twist, otherwise a simple dining table chair provides the same comfort while sitting. I also have a standing desk and use it often, it is good for my legs and posture. But I also do work laying down on sofa or bed from time to time when the activity and mental state asks for it.

As for ergonomic gadgets those never helped, simply trying to keep myself strain free - like instead of having split keyboards holding my hands in angle over the keyboard without bending my wrist -, relaxed, but trying also holding myself not flowing down of furniture. In some kind of balance.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by necovek on Sunday August 30, 2020 @12:47PM (#24323992)
Let me make a guess, you are around 5'11" (180cm) and 175 lbs (80kg), or around average for a male? Because a "dining table chair", a universal product if there is one, is made for average sized humans.

It is funny though that Aeron is brought up as an example of a "universal" design: they are admittedly not universal since they offer 3 sizes (A, B and C). When looking at chairs, I've only went with their Embody because of the fluid back mobility it allows when sitting, though I still wonder if I should have gotten Aeron C (I always found it sad they did not continue with the practice of differently sized chairs with Embody which I love). I've also have a sit/stand desk that I switch between every day for the last ~10 years, but I've still developed back problems.

Why do I say all that — at 6'5" (195cm) I believe to have pretty strong core and legs, but I developed back problems when I got a kid (herniated discs, with a nerve getting pinched in the lumbar area recently). I live in a world where everything is too low for me, and I have to take an unergonomic position to achieve many things. Especially with kids (baby cots, strollers, they are really short, but everything, really).

A dining table chair has a seat length that generally allows me to only rest most of my bottom on it, but basically nothing of the thighs (which are also longer than average even for people my own height), which means that majority of my 90-100kg weight is concentrated on a small area. That hurts, so I have to move around and change the area under pressure.

I had to stop playing jumping sports (I jump around 30 inches/75cm high when not in regular exercise, so that's how far down I "fall" when going down) because impact on landing was too strong and it started hurting in my back. Yet after being in bed rest for 5 days for a pinched nerve, I went for physical therapy and could immediately hold plank position for >1 minute. "Your core is strong, so it is probably genetics", my physiotherapist would say. It's not only genetics, it is the fact that I am outside the design range for all the products that people use every day (I am probably among the 3% of largest humans and even the widest covering "universal" products cover from 5-95%: I can imagine very short people to have similar issues). I can barely find a car I can comfortably drive (if I push the seat back enough so my thighs rest on the seat instead of being in a squat, steering column will frequently not come out long enough, and my shoulders will hurt). I might fit in a Mercedes S-Class, but sorry, I can't afford it (though even that is designed for comfortable sitting in the back).

And I thought that's what the OP is about. Are you averagely sized, or do you maybe have some parts extra long or extra short? Or are your shoulders narrow or maybe extra wide (eg. I can imagine someone with very wide shoulders having more trouble with laptop keyboards)? Even the way our elbows and tendons connect is very different, so relative position of every limb could be taken into account to develop non-universal products.

I guess you have to find where you are "unusual" in your body constitution to really emphatise with the OP and how "universal" design is not the way to go when designing products for the physical world.

The same holds for the virtual world, but for some marginalized groups (at least in the past, like people with disabilities), legislation is required to make sure the basics are available to them. But generally, the market is ripe for less universal products.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by taeric on Sunday August 30, 2020 @12:50AM (#24321448)
I want to agree. But I turned forty a few years ago, and I'm in the same boat as the top post. Either using a dining chair or a workout bench as my sitting option.

That is, I can't lean on youth. But I also don't have near the pains mentioned on so many message boards.

Now, do I have trouble staying focused? Oh yeah. Staying motivated? You bet. Haven't exactly been a pleasant year. But my seating seems to be the least impactful thing going on right now. :(

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @05:19PM (#24319523)
>I do run 2 to 4 times a week so I do wonder if that helps avoid problems?

I think there are a lot of stressed and unconditioned office workers who want some magical device to solve everything. Vertical mice, split vertical keyboards, expensive chairs. None of it replaces exercise.

Might be a controversial opinion.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by renewiltord on Saturday August 29, 2020 @05:51PM (#24319674)
This is literally the opposite of a controversial opinion. It's just the magic solution in a different shape.

Most things in life aren't some sort of instant solution. If you run you won't live to be a hundred. If you smoke you won't get lung cancer. What these actions do is shift your probability distribution in certain ways. Running frequently improves your overall life-expectancy, smoking increases your risk of lung cancer¹. You can do everything right and still have trouble. You can avoid every intervention and still have things work out.

So, if you're outcomes-oriented you modify your environment and behaviour to match the outcomes you want based on what you know to be capable. Getting vertical mice, split keyboards, expensive chairs are all interventions that shift your distribution to better outcomes. Lifting well and frequently, having better posture, taking breaks to move are also interventions that shift your distribution to better outcomes. Each intervention moves you to a better state of being.

Some interventions require you to apply techniques of willpower and motivation. Others require you to place yourself in an environment where those things aren't tested. Yet others are just tools. I think I would go out on a limb to say that most people younger than their early 30s who aim to spend themselves into good health are making moves that are rational.

Credentials here at bottom to prove I'm not some fat guy trying to justify not working out. My lift PRs indicate I'm not a novice (though not particularly exceptional). My weight at PRs (unless otherwise stated) was 165 lbs (75 kg). My height is 6' (184 cm).

Deadlift: 375 lbs at 180 lbs body weight, 3x315 lbs at 165 lbs

Squat: 275 lbs

Front Squat: 225 lbs

Clean and Jerk: 135 lbs

5k time: 23:53 (within 3 mos of the PRs)

¹ A quick test for your intuition for these events is to imagine in your head what you think the incidence of lung cancer in heavy lifetime smokers is and then look it up. 95%? 75%? 50%? 25%? 12%? 5%?

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by yodsanklai on Saturday August 29, 2020 @06:52PM (#24319981)
I know lifting weight is a big thing in the US, but not so much in my part of the world. Sometimes my impression is that many guys primarily want big muscles and conveniently convince themselves it is the way to go to be in good health. Not saying it's not but because it looks unnatural and isn't functional (I mean, have homo sapiens ever needed that kind of muscles?), I'm just wondering if it's really that healthy.

Are there any proven benefits to lifting heavy weight (compared to let say having a regular physical activity such as swimming, hiking, cycling, bodyweight exercises?)

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by renewiltord on Saturday August 29, 2020 @07:44PM (#24320202)
The problem with asking a question like that is that you're going to get links to individual papers, but that's not a reasonable way to study science. You need the aggregate.

So, if you're wondering about whether lifting is good for your health, you should first identify what outcomes you're aiming for and then look for yourself what interventions increase the likelihood of those outcomes. I cannot provide specifically the information you desire in an economical way¹.

But it's unfair to just leave you with nothing, so here's a starting point in your research (apart from the Wikipedia article on Weight Training²): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2453303/

¹ For instance, maybe you don't care to be able to run some arbitrary distance. Maybe it isn't important to you to be able to cliff dive. Maybe it isn't important to you to live to 80. Maybe you consider being muscular to be of negative utility on its own. The state space is too large for me to capture here.

² https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_training#Health_benefit...

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by Baeocystin on Saturday August 29, 2020 @07:33PM (#24320156)
If you want to keep your bones strong, there's no better exercise.

https://time.com/4803697/bodybuilding-strength-training/

It also increases your baseline strength, which is in turn one of the strongest correlates to maintaining health at any age.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by _se on Saturday August 29, 2020 @09:58PM (#24320738)
Yes, there are many. It's quite easy to find the answer to that question.

We're not talking about crazy hypertrophy type lifting - bench 135, squat 185, deadlift 225 and you will not have rsi problems.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by paulryanrogers on Saturday August 29, 2020 @11:59PM (#24321254)
I do wonder if all these easily found studies have accounted for survivorship bias. I.e. those who can achieve those goals are those most likely to not develop RSI.

Ironically my RSI began within a few months of starting weight training.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by meroes on Saturday August 29, 2020 @07:20PM (#24320110)
I need to lift weight so I don't hurt myself carrying 65lb ladders down trails and in high wind for my job.

Is that ok with you?

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday August 31, 2020 @10:55AM (#24332065)
By magic solution I mean the solution where if you just buy a thing all your problems will be solved!

If exercise and hard work were that easy everyone would just do it and we would have far fewer problems.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by nostromo on Saturday August 29, 2020 @05:25PM (#24319551)
This is my experience.

I had lower back pain while sitting at a desk when I was younger.

Once I started lifting weights, and specifically doing heavy deadlifts, I've never had back pain again.

Interestingly, a lot of people are afraid deadlifts will cause back pain, but in my case at least, it cured back pain.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by stouset on Saturday August 29, 2020 @11:54PM (#24321234)
General fitness and strength training is just about the closest thing we have to a miracle cure for a wide array of common issues.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday August 31, 2020 @10:56AM (#24332084)
Yup. Too bad it doesn't come in pill form.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @05:30PM (#24319570)
Not sure where that spine fragility myth came from.

I used to have back and wrist pain. Now I do mild exercise like a brisk daily walk and 100 burpees. Basically the bare minimum to check off my exercise box. I read Sarnos book and took to heart the idea that a lot of aches and pains are not injuries but are in your head.

Now I have no aches and pains ever.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by wojciii on Sunday August 30, 2020 @01:23AM (#24321547)
Deadlifting incorrectly will most likely fuck your back. :)

I have been most happy (backwise) while running and doing a light version of cross fit (where correct lifting was a part of) couple of times every day.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by necovek on Sunday August 30, 2020 @12:59PM (#24324091)
But there are also us who are simply outside the size range any chair is designed for (I've generally been at 90-95kg at 195cm before hurting my back and limiting sports). Unfortunately, but expensive chairs are then usually the only way to go if you want to get a comparable experience to what "average size" humans get with "any chair". I can easily imagine short people having similar problems on the other end of the scale (hurting thighs because their feet can't reach the ground), or simply disproportionate people too.

There is no amount of exercise that will let any human hold a squat position for 8 hours day-in, day-out.

As OP indicates, "universal" design is the problem.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by gcpwnd on Saturday August 29, 2020 @08:58PM (#24320497)
Vice versa no exercise can compensate a horrible chair.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by WalterBright on Saturday August 29, 2020 @09:16PM (#24320568)
> I do run 2 to 4 times a week so I do wonder if that helps avoid problems?

I've done that for decades. I'd periodically suffer from debilitating back pain, where I couldn't even tie my shoes. I finally went to the doc, who said my problem was "weak back muscles". I pointed out the running, and the doc said "running does nothing for your back."

He gave me an illustrated guide to back exercises, aka core strength exercises. I do them 3x per week, and added some more I derived from yootoob back excercise.

Does it work? Hell yes. I wouldn't say my back never bothers me, but the pain has faded enough that it doesn't bother me anymore, and no more debilitating episodes.

It's been well over 10 years now. I don't enjoy the exercises, but I enjoy being free of the pain.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by AtlasBarfed on Saturday August 29, 2020 @10:22PM (#24320848)
Sitting does two things: it causes your hip flexors to do work all day, and it prevents your gluteus maximus from doing anything at all.

Doing this for hours on end trains the body tries to use its hip flexors for everything. Standing, lifting things, walking, even slow running. The hip flexors aren't meant to do this, and they are connected of course to your back muscles.

But the back muscles activated in concert with the hip flexors are not the "right" ones. They contort your back and cause imbalances and eventually back pain.

Running CAN help undo this.

But at certain paces of running (very slow ones that aren't much more than walking), the butt still is not used well, and you're not working to undo the 8+ hours of training you've given your hip flexors.

The more vigorous the running, the more your "prime path" evolutionary pathways of hamstrings, gluteus maximi, and lower back will be activated and trained.

Of course the older you are, the harder it is to do these paces, either sustained or speedwork.

Straight leg deadlifts can also help, but still isn't as good training for undoing the sitting position.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by Green_man on Saturday August 29, 2020 @09:30PM (#24320623)
I'm not a doctor, but running can definitely work out your back. Long trail runs with lots of elevation gain leave me with a sore lower back, mostly because "leaning into" the hill keeps my lower back muscles working to maintain posture. I've only experienced this when pushing lots of mileage on big hills, though differences in posture may result in different sorts of runs triggering this. My running buddy has complained about this on much shorter runs.

It's entirely possible this is useless for preventing back pain, or may even be bad for my back, but I wanted to share.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by danielheath on Sunday August 30, 2020 @04:05AM (#24322054)
There might well be a benefit in the lower back, but the scapula and trapezoids are particularly sensitive to desk work , and running is not going to help them.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by kraftomatic on Sunday August 30, 2020 @04:18AM (#24322107)
Can you share your "illustrated guide to back exercises, aka core strength exercises" ?
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by WalterBright on Sunday August 30, 2020 @04:53AM (#24322235)
No, it's long gone :-) But you can find a lot on youtube. Many of them are in the P-90X "Ab Ripper X" video. It's mainly lying prone on the floor and lifting both ends of your body 25 times, then leaving the ends on the floor and lifting the center. Repeat on left side, right side, top side, bottom side.

The hardest one for me is lying face down, arms extended forward. Lift your chest and legs off the ground. Oww! These are called "Supermans" because you look like Superman flying through the air.

It'll give you a vast new appreciation for when a dancer lifts his partner overhead by the waist and she gracefully lies prone only supported by his hands on her waist.

I double-dare you to even get your hands an inch off the ground!

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by radley on Saturday August 29, 2020 @08:40PM (#24320433)
I love the mesh HM Aeron Chair because my clothes won't get sweaty during the summer.

One of the best things about the Bay Area is that HM chairs are always easy to find used on Craigslist for ~$250 and they'll last 10+ years. That's not expensive at all.

Tip: replace the wheels with "roller blade" chair wheels. They're quiet!

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by analog31 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @09:31PM (#24320626)
Yes, and the softer wheels also do less damage to wood floors.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by ghaff on Saturday August 29, 2020 @04:54PM (#24319362)
The uber-expensive office chairs are really comfortable--if you pick one that works for you and properly adjust it. If you have an office and can afford it, it's IMO worth it to equip it with a good chair.

That said, I probably only work in my office half the day and work in other spots around the house (including the dining room table) the rest of the time. (And get up and walk around quite frequently.)

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by kqr on Saturday August 29, 2020 @04:39PM (#24319266)
I haven't even turned 30 yet, so I imagine my body might well slowly be building up resentment towards me which will materialise in 20 years and I'll regret saying all of this, but...

So far, my body has been happy spending extended amounts of time in any chair I set under it. Including the staple dining chair, or uncushioned outdoor wooden chair.

However, I rarely sit still for long periods of time. I'm constantly shifting my position and doing all sorts of seated acrobatics to relieve tension and get variation. (I do this also in fancy ergonomic chairs.) Maybe this is what makes it work? I have no idea.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by amatecha on Sunday August 30, 2020 @04:36PM (#24325729)
It's good to move around a lot, yeah. But in a few years you will find that the position you sit does indeed matter. It's actually super easy to sit "correctly" in a chair though, to avoid the typical problems. I wish I learned it way earlier, because my posture is terrible as a result of my years and years of slouching in chairs at a computer for hours on end. I sat on a stupid wooden chair for most of my teenage years, for literally hours and hours -- and I never sat "correctly" in that chair.

Check out how these guys suggest to adjust their chair -- you can follow this with any adjustable chair and you will be 100% good to go IMO: https://www.hermanmiller.com/content/dam/hermanmiller/docume... (PDF)

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by Dumblydorr on Saturday August 29, 2020 @06:45PM (#24319944)
You're a bit lucky because the back is very likely to have pain in sedentary office workers. I think the standing and running are both key, yes, movement and change are key to keeping our fluidic bodies healthy.

Then again, you are lucky because all manner of injuries, genetic weakness, and former life conditions have not all occurred, thus gotten you to this healthy spot. For instance, car or sporting accidents or falls, these could all lead to chronic weakness in the body, and luck determines their occurence.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by superseeplus on Saturday August 29, 2020 @11:18PM (#24321096)
It is important that you maintain a good and ergonomically correct posture. A chair is simply a tool to help you do that. If you are average sized or close to average size, it is possible that you can find a cheaper chair which works for you. The advantage of ergonomic office chairs is that they tend to have enough adjustments for a wide range of body sizes. On the flip side, an expensive office chair is not going to solve anything unless you take the time to adjust it properly.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by kshacker on Saturday August 29, 2020 @04:27PM (#24319185)
I used the dining chair for a couple of years when I was not working. But we changed the dining arrangement and it is not the same any more. I also use a sit-stand (stand mode) for 2-3 hours, on a shop stool sitting mode ($60 odd from costco) for a bit, in my recliner for a bit, and recently tried sitting on the floor with a floor chair. It all works to varying degrees. My sit/stand is in my garage, so it does not work 3 months a year and then there is heavy reliance on inside, but for 9 months a year, it is quite habitable.

No RSI/other issues to me also (knock on wood) and I am over 50 but I am starting to sense more and more that recliner (even if 4 hours) is not good and consciously try to reduce an hour or 2, but was quite hard to do that with the recent bay area heat and fires.

Chairs? I am trying to move my office chair home, but that is so that I can cut down the recliner usage, but if I had a better dining arrangement (or my old dining arrangement) I probably would not bother.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by krick on Saturday August 29, 2020 @05:38PM (#24319604)
Yeah, in fact I'm feeling that the simpler it is the better. All these expensive complex designs seem comfortable at first, but after a month it turns out that "ergonomic" features a chair has don't exactly fit your body anyway and it ends up with pain in the neck or something. With simple rigid chairs it's never really a problem, either you sit up straight or it just gets uncomfortable and you are forced to get up and stretch a little.

I don't use a wooden chair, though, because I like the wheels and ability to rotate. But I much prefer very-very basic office chairs to all these gaming super-ergonomic overpriced whatever. I mean, they felt cool when I sat on them for the first time, but then it turns out to be fucked up in ways I admit I'll never be able to predict when buying one.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by WalterBright on Saturday August 29, 2020 @09:21PM (#24320584)
My problem with an office chair that rotates is I inevitably spend much time spinning in place. It's not good for my image, but I can't help myself.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by wodenokoto on Sunday August 30, 2020 @04:38AM (#24322186)
Half way through Covid I switched from a high quality office chair to a high quality dining chair (because the office chair was borrowed)

I feel a major change in comfort and that I need to “offset” the discomfort prolonged hours in the dining chair gives through standing and exercising.

Basically, if I am more conscious about standing and exercising I too have no problems with the dining chair - but it does require more exercise than the office chair for the same level of comfort I feel by the end of the working day.

It sounds like your routine is already good enough to offset it.

Regardless of what I just said, I still have a nagging feeling about long term consequences.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by im3w1l on Saturday August 29, 2020 @05:35PM (#24319591)
I prefer a wooden chair to an office chair, because it's so rigid. I had a one of those fancy $2000 office chairs and I would always lock it so you couldn't lean back. But even locked it would have a little bit of give to it.

Here's where it gets weirder though. I used to have padding on my chair. And it was the the kind of shitty strap on padding that would slide around, and after it did, my leg would reliably fall asleep. One day I got tired of it sliding around and just removed it. My leg never falls asleep anymore.

Only complaint is that leg reinforcement has an II shape instead of H, so there is a little bit of sideways instability.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by wozzeck on Saturday August 29, 2020 @04:31PM (#24319216)
Ι also use a wooden dining chair. I find the simplicity and hardness of the wood quite pleasant. I do use an adjustable height standing desk, so the main potential issue of a height mismatch between chair and table isn't a problem. One small issue with the chair is that the seat has a slight upward angle, as opposed to the downward angle recommended in the article. I add a buckwheat crescent pillow, which solves this and gives me the option of sitting in a wider variety of positions.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by pottertheotter on Saturday August 29, 2020 @05:55PM (#24319697)
I used a dining chair for a while and it was ok. It got the job done. But then I got a "proper" office chair and I would never go back. My only regret is that I did not make the purchase earlier.

Before purchasing a chair, I went to an office furniture and tested several chairs and had the employee point out why people preferred different chairs. In the end, I got an Aeron. Also, it comes in 3 sizes and I made sure to get the correct size for me.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by kranner on Saturday August 29, 2020 @10:30PM (#24320883)
I alternate between a Herman Miller Embody and a wooden dining chair. The wooden chair is good for meditation (when I need to keep my back straight and unsupported) and for when I want to be more mindful of my posture for a few hours. The Embody is great for both zoning out and just focusing on work while forgetting all about my posture. I spend more time in the Embody but both chairs get used everyday.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by elindbe2 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @04:17PM (#24319114)
I've been fine using a dining chair at home too. I don't feel much difference between my office chair at work and my wooden dining chair at home. I'm a runner too, for reference.

Maybe sitting in less comfortable chair is better than a comfortable one over long periods because you adjust your posture more. I personally haven't noticed this but maybe I do it unconsciously.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by kleer001 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @04:25PM (#24319174)
You are very lucky. Ergonomics is complex, bodies are complex. You just happened upon a setup that works for you.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by analog31 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @11:35PM (#24321165)
I use a wooden dining chair at one computer, and one of those old wooden swivel "banker" chairs from the 1930s. I replaced its inferior wheels with large felt pads that are gentle on my floors. It creaks and has to be oiled once in a while.

Like you, I exercise.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by rtkaratekid on Saturday August 29, 2020 @06:29PM (#24319873)
I used a fancy chair for a bit and got neck pain. Switched to a normal wooden chair, sometimes with a pillow to sit on, and I’m doing great now. Weird but works for me I guess. I do stand quite a bit too.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by mixmastamyk on Saturday August 29, 2020 @06:31PM (#24319879)
Do you have good posture?
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by prox on Saturday August 29, 2020 @06:40PM (#24319924)
I’d like to chime in here. Posture is terribly important. No chair can help fully if there is dis or misalignment (maybe even from previous chairs that gave you bad posture)

It is mentioned in the article briefly, and I feel it is a missed opportunity to discuss it.

I currently use a series of exercises that I designed specifically for combatting the ails of sitting, and it has been a big improvement. The chair i use matters less now.

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by pbalau on Saturday August 29, 2020 @04:51PM (#24319334)
At the beginning of the lockdown, as I didn't have a dedicated computer desk and chair, I was working at my dinner table, sitting on a regular dinning chair. It lasted for about 1 month or so until I broke both the chair and my back (I could not move one morning and had to spend a few days in bed).

It could be you have better sitting discipline (I tend to slouch when I sit), might be that you are more active (I didn't notice any issues last summer, when I was sailing every weekend, but then, I was not sitting at my dinner table for that long either), might be your regular chair is not that regular :)

Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by agumonkey on Saturday August 29, 2020 @05:30PM (#24319569)
I have a really bad cheap ikea desk chair and even a stool is better than that .. thing. Sitting is killing me and this chair is a catalyst.
Re:The tyranny of chairs: why we need better design by tonymet on Saturday August 29, 2020 @05:23PM (#24319536)
I prefer a bench. It helps you load weight on your pelvis and keeps your spine straight . All the soft stuff is protected