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Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by oldstrangers on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:27PM (#23733650)
So it competes favorably with the Google Pixel 3, released in 2018.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by reaperducer on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:34PM (#23733693)
According to this†, the Pixel 3 stops receiving updates next year. We know that Apple supports its phones for at least five years, so this iPhone should last until 2025. Seems like a pretty good investment for $399.

† https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by cobookman on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:36PM (#23733704)
I just picked up a SE with the T-Mobile free additional line & 50% off promotion. Cost was only $200 + Taxes. Amazing deal when you consider the support & hardware quality.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by dylan604 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:26PM (#23734007)
Until you remember you're on the T-Mobile network, and realize you'd now be willing to pay double to be on a different network
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by reaperducer on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:32PM (#23734042)
It depends on where you are. There are certain places where T-Mobile is the best network to be on.

People like to think that Network X is terrible in my neighborhood, so it's terrible everywhere. That's simply not the case. The big three networks got to be the big three by buying smaller regional networks. Some of those networks were very good.

T-Mobile, for example, is excellent in the upper Midwest because it came into the market by buying Voicestream, which had huge and dense coverage.

There are places I have to visit in Nevada where T-Mobile is the only provider. Heck, there are portions of the city of Las Vegas where T-Mobile/Sprint was the only signal at all until AT&T service came in last year, and there's still no Verizon to be found as recently as February (I carry all three when I'm working).

Bring your Verizon phone to southern Ohio, and get a fraction of the coverage you would get on a Cincinnati Bell (or AT&T roaming) phone.

Cell phone networks, like politicians, vary in quality by region.

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by californical on Saturday July 04, 2020 @04:09PM (#23734604)
This doesn't add any value to the discussion.

Also, I've had TMo without any sort of contract or lease for 5 years now, lived in 3 different states, and travel all over the US (and a little bit of Europe). I've never once said "Wow, if only I had Verizon". It's been really great, and the only time I don't get phone service is deep in the mountains or desert

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by toomuchtodo on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:57PM (#23733824)
Link? Promo still on? I’m a glutton for a deal.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by cobookman on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:08PM (#23733890)
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by toomuchtodo on Sunday July 05, 2020 @12:18AM (#23736561)
Thank you for the extra free line! Worked a treat.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by Eridrus on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:01PM (#23733855)
Obviously 5 > 3, and hopefully Android/Pixel keeps making progress, but I don't know that these numbers are directly comparable since Android does less through OS updates, and iOS updates tend to not perform great on old phones, so I wouldn't take these numbers uncritically.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by lotsofpulp on Saturday July 04, 2020 @03:19PM (#23734307)
I’ve never had a problem with iOS updates on old phones even going back to iPhone 4. We still have an updated iPhone 6 being used with no problem. I was using an iPhone 6S Plus until the new SE came out with no issues either.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by baxtr on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:33PM (#23733685)
I don’t believe that’s a relevant comparison. AFAIK Pixel always has been the Android flagship. iPhone SE clearly isn’t its iOS equivalent. It speaks to a completely different audience / sub-market.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by derethanhausen on Saturday July 04, 2020 @03:24PM (#23734331)
Parent comment might have meant Pixel 3a, which also aims for the market segment of $400, nice camera, no frills.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by foepys on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:06PM (#23733881)
I don't know who would consider Pixels to be flagships. Other than the relatively pure Android and timely updates, and the relatively good hardware, there are better phones available.

Google is also very strict with their update policy, which means that after 3 years after release, the phone is EOL. I'm repeating myself on here but Nokia (HMD Global) is actually still providing my Nokia 6 from January 2017 with updates every 3 months. I recently went on a research mission for a new Android phone but noticed how bad the situation on Android still is.

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by samwhiteUK on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:19PM (#23733964)
The Pixel is Google's flagship android phone, there's no argument to be had here
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by foepys on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:58PM (#23734181)
Might be Google's but they certainly aren't Android flagship phones. Samsung, Huawei, and previously Xiaomi are packing better hardware with innovative technology like under-screen fingerprint scanners and multi-lense cameras.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by jeffbee on Saturday July 04, 2020 @06:30PM (#23735369)
You don't seem to understand the word "flagship". It doesn't mean the most bodacious ship in the fleet. It means the one from which the admiral flies their flag. This is clearly Google and the Pixel, in the Android analogy.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by foepys on Sunday July 05, 2020 @08:12AM (#23738099)
GP clearly said "Android flagship". Google is only selling Pixels, that's like saying iPhones are Apple's flagships which clearly says nothing.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by scarface74 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:33PM (#23733686)
Well let’s see in four years which one is still likely to be getting operating system and security updates.

The original iPhone SE released in 2016 will be supported at least through September 2021.

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by hesarenu on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:53PM (#23733804)
It will keep on going slow. My ipad is very slow compared to what it was 4 years ago.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by BuckRogers on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:20PM (#23733969)
Another 4 year original SE user here, which is what I’m swiping this message from. Still going strong, no lag. Decided I’m upgrading before I need to with the 5.4” iPhone 12 this year.

Only issue I had was the battery going to 1% quickly and then lasting half a day, but that seemed to clear itself too with a few full run downs.

Apple absolutely dominates mobile devices from a longevity and usability standpoint. I left Android long ago and never looked back. I’m not all in though, never was convinced by macOS, Windows is just too customizable and useful.

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by hesarenu on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:26PM (#23734006)
Longevity yes. Usability nope. For me Android is far better usability and ui then iOS. iOS was good once but not now. People are still considering it good for what was before. Plus I feel most guys here are in apple ecosystem and have not experienced anything outside. Mac is still better than windows I would have gone to ubuntu if not for iOS development.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by molszanski on Sunday July 05, 2020 @03:56PM (#23741427)
I think we should encourage more people to replace batteries every 2-3 years. Their phones are not slow. It is just the battery.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by molszanski on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:00PM (#23733849)
Writing this from my 4 year old SE. IMO it got much snappier with the last 2 OS upgrades.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by hesarenu on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:08PM (#23733891)
Ha. When I type I need to see what I have written. The tap response is slow feels like early Android mobiles.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by molszanski on Sunday July 05, 2020 @03:52PM (#23741384)
I assume it is the battery. It must be replaced.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by ebg13 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:00PM (#23733850)
When was the last time you replaced the battery?
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by hesarenu on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:12PM (#23733923)
Replacing anything on Apple hardware after warranty is very costly in India. Hopefully it would last. Some have lasted but becomes very slow. I use a air for personal work which now runs slow. Have to endure for iOS work. Otherwise I foot bill to company.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by ebg13 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @03:04PM (#23734214)
All rechargeable batteries wear out over time as they are used and recharged. And when batteries wear out, they can't provide the same voltage as before. And when they can't provide the same voltage, the electronics must either slow down or stop working entirely. Replacing batteries isn't necessarily hard to do either (you do have to be careful). You can find highly detailed descriptions of how to do it yourself if there isn't anyone in your area who can provide the service cheaply.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by hesarenu on Saturday July 04, 2020 @11:59PM (#23736499)
Battery is still good though, I don't use it much but after days it still has enough power. In terms of battery iOS is very good.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by speedgoose on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:37PM (#23733709)
Will it also run slower and slower until you know that you can pay Apple to replace its battery, or buy a new one?
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by cillian64 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:51PM (#23733794)
You can disable the performance reduction and deal with the random shutdowns, if you'd prefer.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by molszanski on Sunday July 05, 2020 @04:00PM (#23741451)
It doesn’t really help. Dead battery will discharge and heat up quickly thermal throttling the cpu. Overall, batteries simply must be replaced in all phones.

Friends don’t let friends throw away phones. Replace the battery.

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by speedgoose on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:55PM (#23734167)
It doesn't sound better.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by scarface74 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @03:45PM (#23734447)
I never said that Apple had access to magical battery technology that didn’t lose it ability to charge
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by jeffbee on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:46PM (#23733760)
You can just stick with Android which will randomly shut off instead. I'm sure Apple isn't worried about losing the business of irrational cranks.

Another fun feature of Android is you can just wait for Google to ship that one last major release that makes the phone an unusable slideshow, the way they did to the Nexus 5X.

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by dylan604 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:28PM (#23734019)
If your battery is degrading and you choose not to have it replaced, probably.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by ibero on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:42PM (#23733740)
nope!
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by myopenid2 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:45PM (#23733756)
Realistically nobody still uses the original iPhone SE now.

You can run Windows 10 on a Centrino laptop from 2010 but you're not gonna have a good time.

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by jeffbee on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:52PM (#23733797)
According to various iOS app stats, the 1st generation iPhone SE is about 3-5% of the fleet, making it roughly as popular as the iPhone 11.

https://david-smith.org/iosversionstats/

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by reaperducer on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:50PM (#23733783)
Realistically nobody still uses the original iPhone SE now.

Why not? My old boss was rocking an iPhone 6 as recently as January, and that came out two years earlier — in 2014.

While it's not my daily driver, I have a launch day iPhone 5 that I use at least once a week. It's from 2012.

You can run Windows 10 on a Centrino laptop from 2010 but you're not gonna have a good time.

The iPhone SE was launched in 2016, not 2010.

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by wincy on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:59PM (#23733842)
I’m still using my iPhone 6 Plus, replaced the battery earlier this year and the only annoying thing is I can’t copy any paste from one website to another, instead I need to copy to notes because the pages will reload (due to 1GB of RAM I’m guessing)
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by rock_artist on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:20PM (#23733974)
Another 2016 SE user. Only reason I’ve got SE2020 which haven’t arrived yet is storage and me seeing worse. (My SE is 16GB)
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by hddherman on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:51PM (#23733791)
Anecdata: I do. Bought it second hand, it's about to receive iOS 14, and I don't have any performance issues, it still works very well.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by scarface74 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:56PM (#23733813)
Well actually Windows 10 runs quite well on my circa 2010 Dell Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz laptop with 8GB of RAM

https://www.cnet.com/reviews/dell-latitude-e6500-review/

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by myopenid2 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:34PM (#23734050)
That's a 3000$+ laptop at the time, makes me miss the portability of laptops.

But can you do anything productive on that thing now? How is the battery life?

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by scarface74 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @06:47PM (#23735428)
Of course the battery sucks. But it’s easy to find a new battery if I cared. Also it’s extremely heavy. Before I retired it early this year. It was a computer that sat next to my work computer to do personal things on - Office 365, Chrome, etc.

It was the company laptop until 2012. The company folded and they sold everything really cheaply.

It could transcode one or two 720p streams simultaneously Witt Plex.

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by gtufano on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:50PM (#23733784)
Why? I used it until a month ago, and my son still uses it. Battery changed (29€) and it's still a good phone (camera is a bit dated, but for the rest it can definitely be used). I know many people still using it (for the format).
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by jeromenerf on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:10PM (#23733905)
I use the smallest iPhone and the biggest iPad, just because I feel they are the best form factors for my needs. A friend of mine would love to be able to use only an iPad mini, if only he could send and receive phone calls.

I don’t upgrade because there is nothing wrong with these devices. And they have a jack :)

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by TomVDB on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:45PM (#23734108)
In reality, you’d be very wrong.

My wife is not the only one who’s holding on to hers “until Apple releases another one with the same form factor”.

(Not that this will happen anytime soon, if ever...)

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by kawsper on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:52PM (#23733800)
I use mine every day.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by wlesieutre on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:40PM (#23734075)
Original SE user checking in
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by oehtXRwMkIs on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:58PM (#23733830)
I think the Pixel 3a is a more relevant comparison. Very similar score to the SE and also a budget phone.
Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by CoolGuySteve on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:02PM (#23733862)
The Pixel 3a has been discontinued and the 4a is either not released yet or cancelled.

But I had a Pixel 3a, it was the worst phone I ever owned. The screen coating had a defect that Google refused to fix. The body is plastic and the screen is more brittle than Gorilla glass, so it shattered after hitting the ground on its corner. In 13 years of carrying these things around, it's the only phone I ever broke.

This iPhone can't possibly be any worse.

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by oehtXRwMkIs on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:51PM (#23734144)
Funny thing is that my first smartphone was an iPhone but after replacing it 3 times because of dead pixels, I switched to a Samsung Galaxy S3 or 4, can't remember. You're right that the Pixels are lacking in build quality but I think your experience is a bit unlucky like my own experience with iPhones.

I'm a bit behind on the times, but it seems to me that for build quality Samsung is still the best. They've always been ahead with stuff like Super AMOLED, thin bevels (even curved edges), microSD slot, etc. But software matters more to me these days which is why I like the Pixel 3a. It was dirt cheap and has decent microG support. In my own very personal, biased, subjective experience, iPhones have had mediocre build quality and the worst software.

Re:Apple iPhone SE 2020 Camera review by Eridrus on Saturday July 04, 2020 @01:56PM (#23733816)
The score itself is identical to the Pixel 3A, which is from last year.

But these scores are very subjective, so....