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Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by jonluca on Monday May 18, 2020 @11:31AM (#23223627)
Dara's email was really well written, and felt as compassionate as one can for a letter from a CEO announcing job cuts.

The full email:

Team Uber:

These have been unprecedented and challenging times for everyone—our societies, our governments, our families, our economies, all around the world. They’ve also been challenging for Uber, and many of you, as you’ve waited for us to define the road ahead. I’ve said clearly that we had to take tough action to resize our company to the new reality of our business, and that I would come back to you this week with the specifics.

Today I have the specifics: we have made the incredibly difficult decision to reduce our workforce by around 3,000 people, and to reduce investments in several non-core projects. As a leadership team we had to take the time to make the right decisions, to ensure that we are treating our people well, and to make certain that we could walk you through our decision making in the sort of detailed and transparent manner you deserve.

Where we started and hard choices

We began 2020 on an accelerated path to total company profitability. Then the coronavirus hit us with a once-in-a-generation public health and economic crisis. People are rightfully staying home, and our Rides business, our main profit generator, is down around 80%. We’re seeing some signs of a recovery, but it comes off of a deep hole, with limited visibility as to its speed and shape.

You’ve heard me say it before: hope is not a strategy. While that’s easy to say, the truth is that this is a decision I struggled with. Our balance sheet is strong, Eats is doing great, Rides looks a little better, maybe we can wait this damn virus out...I wanted there to be a different answer. Let me talk to a few more CEOs...maybe one of them will tell me some good news, but there simply was no good news to hear. Ultimately, I realized that hoping the world would return to normal within any predictable timeframe, so we could pick up where we left off on our path to profitability, was not a viable option.

I knew that I had to make a hard decision, not because we are a public company, or to protect our stock price, or to please our Board or investors. I had to make this decision because our very future as an essential service for the cities of the world—our being there for millions of people and businesses who rely on us—demands it. We must establish ourselves as a self-sustaining enterprise that no longer relies on new capital or investors to keep growing, expanding, and innovating.

We have to take these hard actions to stand strong on our own two feet, to secure our future, and to continue on our mission.

I know that none of this will make it any easier for our friends and colleagues affected by the actions we are taking today. To those of you personally impacted, I am truly sorry. I know this will cause pain for you and your families, especially now. Many of you will be affected not because of the quality of your work, but because of strategic decisions we made to discontinue certain areas of activity, or projects that are no longer necessary, or simply because of the stark reality we face. You have been a huge part of this company and every day forward we will build on the foundations that you established, brick by brick.

Our decisions and the road forward

We have decided to re-focus our efforts on our core. If there is one silver lining regarding this crisis, it’s that Eats has become an even more important resource for people at home and for restaurants; and delivery, whether of groceries or other local goods, is not only an increasing part of everyday life, it is here to stay. We no longer need to look far for the next enormous growth opportunity: we are sitting right on top of one. I will caution that while Eats growth is accelerating, the business today doesn’t come close to covering our expenses. I have every belief that the moves we are making will get Eats to profitability, just as we did with Rides, but it’s not going to happen overnight.

So we need to fundamentally change the way we operate. We need to make some really hard decisions about what we will and won’t do going forward, based on a few principles:

We are organizing around our core: helping people move, and delivering things.

We are building a cost-efficient structure that avoids layers and duplication and can scale, at speed.

We are being intentional with our location strategy focused on key markets/hubs.

Mac will now lead a unified Mobility team, which will include Rides and, as of today, Transit. Mac will continue to manage our cross-cutting functions like Safety & Insurance, CommOps, U4B, and Business Development, the latter of which will be centralized across Rides, Eats, and Freight under Jen. Pierre will lead what we will call “Delivery” internally, encompassing Eats, Grocery and Direct.

Given the necessary cost cuts and the increased focus on core, we have decided to wind down the Incubator and AI Labs and pursue strategic alternatives for Uber Works. Due to these decisions, Zhenya has decided it makes sense to move on from Uber. Zhenya is customer-centric to her core, and I am deeply grateful for all of her hard work.

We are also looking at our geographic footprint. While it served us well for many years to cast a wide physical net, it’s time to be more intentional about where we have employees on the ground. We are closing or consolidating around 45 office locations globally, including winding down Pier 70 in San Francisco and moving some of those colleagues to our new HQ in SF. And over the next 12 months we will begin the process of winding down our Singapore office and moving to a new APAC hub in a market where we operate our services.

Having learned my own personal lesson about the unpredictability of the world from the punch-in-the-gut called COVID-19, I will not make any claims with absolute certainty regarding our future. I will tell you, however, that we are making really, really hard choices now, so that we can say our goodbyes, have as much clarity as we can, move forward, and start to build again with confidence.

How we are helping departing employees

As we previewed last week, we have taken a lot of feedback and worked to provide strong severance benefits and other support for those leaving Uber, like healthcare coverage and an alumni talent directory. We’re also taking care to support people in special situations a bit differently, like those on US visas or parental leaves. While the details will differ slightly by country, you can see a summary here. Every departing employee will have a 1:1 to receive the details of their individual package.

Given the global nature of these changes, and the local rules and regulations involved, the individual experience today will vary by country:

All other countries (those not listed to the right)

Argentina, China, France, Germany, India, Ireland (COE only), Italy, Kenya, Netherlands, Norway, Pakistan (Karachi only), Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, South Africa, Spain, Turkey, UK (ULL only)

In these countries, we can communicate about individual impacts today.

Everyone in these countries who is affected has already received an email, and will soon have a calendar invitation to a private meeting with a manager and HR.

If you are in one of these countries and you did not receive a separate email this morning, you are not affected.

In these countries, local laws mean that we cannot be as specific about individual impacts today.

In some countries, we will start a consultation process. In others, there are restrictions on making changes during the COVID lockdown.

If you are in one of these countries, you will get an email from Nikki describing next steps for your location.

If you are one of the many affected Uber teammates, I’ll acknowledge right here that any package we offer, regardless of how thoughtful or generous, will never replace the opportunity to belong, to make a difference, to establish the kinds of bonds you establish with any important company or cause. We wouldn’t be here without you. We will finish what you started, and we will be excited to see the great things that you will build next.

I am incredibly thankful to everyone reading this email, because the resilience and grit you’ve shown has made Uber the company it is and will continue to be. I’ve never had a harder day professionally than today, but Uber has consistently surprised me with the challenges it has thrown my way. But it’s the toughest challenges that are worthwhile, and I know even more strongly in my heart than I ever have that Uber is worth it, and more.

Dara

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by fermienrico on Monday May 18, 2020 @11:41AM (#23223802)
Yep, I agree - it sounds genuine and from the heart. 80% reduction in business is no small thing and especially due to something out of the CEO's control. We can't blame companies from laying off people - it sucks for all of us.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday May 18, 2020 @12:21PM (#23224464)
I totally agree with this. I've seen Dara speak before and I've always found him extremely genuine, intelligent, and insightful.

That said, I've seen a number of layoff announcements from CEOs recently where there have been a number of "Wow, really great job announcing those layoffs" comments. And, while I agree with that, part of me thinks that we've become so conditioned to especially shitty layoff announcements and corporate double speak that when someone does something that really shouldn't be that difficult (speak with empathy, genuineness, but clarity on what must be done, and treat employees who are leaving well) that we're all particularly impressed.

I'm in no way saying layoffs are easy, and I know many good CEOs who agonize over those decisions. At the same time, I think we should try to raise our expectations of how employees should be humanely treated.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by andyjohnson0 on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:38PM (#23225633)
"I had to make this decision because our very future as an essential service for the cities of the world — our being there for millions of people and businesses who rely on us — demands it."

This is only one sentence in an otherwise fairly measured email, but it nevertheless annoyed me given the context. Uber is not an "essential service". They made this decision so that they can stay in business to make money for their shareholders. Portraying it as something noble is more than a little tone-deaf.

I feel for the people affected and I hope they find new roles soon.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by 1024core on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:52PM (#23228813)
I travel to India, a lot, as I have family there.

Pre-Uber days, here's what it took to get an auto-rickshaw (also called "auto"): you walk up to the "auto stand" where you see some auto drivers lounging. As they see you walk up, they size you up; and immediately jack up the prices they're going to quote you as they see you don't seem a local. If you turn one of them down, the others will simply refuse to talk to you or even look at you. Then your best bet is to keep walking, looking for an idling auto driver.

Post-Uber world: pull up the app, enter the destination address, and watch as the car approaches your location. Hop in, driver is incentivized to get you there as quickly as possible. Hop off at the destination, give him 5 stars, and you're on your way. Simple as that.

For me, Uber was always an essential service in India.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by xenospn on Monday May 18, 2020 @11:20PM (#23230997)
I moved to LA in the pre-Uber days. Trips from LAX back home were miserable. When my ex-wife had the car and I needed to go somewhere - forget about it. Taxis were impossible to find, even in the middle of West Hollywood. I really don't like Uber, but they did change many peoples' lives.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by tinyhouse on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:48PM (#23230138)
I can relate as someone who was scammed at Heathrow pre-Uber.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by matwood on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:31PM (#23226486)
I dunno. I find services like Uber and Lyft pretty essential. In my smallish city, getting a cab pre-Uber was near impossible. My friends and I had the personal number of 2 cab drivers, and if neither of them picked up, good luck.

Even with the highly publicized Uber failures, no Uber I've ever taken has been worse than many of the cabs I was in prior. Something as simple as knowing the price up front has been key when traveling.

So sure, of course they want to stay an ongoing concern. But, services like Uber and Lyft have become essential to many people.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by wobbly_bush on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:09PM (#23227735)
You are thinking of only US and similar countries where everyone already owns cars. In country like India, there were not much taxis before Uber came. An alternative was autorickshaw which took twice as long to go the same distance, had much worse safety features, exposed one to all the pollution all the time, not to mention the cheating of fares.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by IG_Semmelweiss on Monday May 18, 2020 @10:37PM (#23230787)
I know of a very senior family friend living in one of the flyover states.

She doesnt drive following a car wreck. She had walk half a mile to wait out in the bitter rocky mountain cold at a bus stop to go to the Dr. Shes on social security. She told me she didnt have the money to take a cab, that is if she could even get a hold of one.

Then uber came along.

She learn to use uber on her own before even whatsapp.

Yea, I'd call it downright essential.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by fernandopj on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:11PM (#23227750)
> Uber is not an "essential service".

I agree given no other contexts, but let me refute anecdotally: Brazil for instance has become socially and economic dependable over Uber continuous success. Current situation goes like this:

- Brazil has about 1 million rental cars. Uber drivers have already returned 80% of their vehicles [1][2]. Rentals are down 90%. As cities are beginning to announce harder lockdowns, these will only go further down. [3]

- Rental companies stopped buying new cars for at least a year [4]. At least that matches the fact that almost no new cars are being made since March.[5]

- Rental companies buy directly from manufactures, they're almost half of their sales [6]. And app drivers are a big chunk of their customers.

- Car manufacturers are a big slice of every State's taxes they're in. Less car sales, thousand more layoffs. (lacking links here, sorry)

IMHO, to sum up: at least here, to any politician or car-related executive, Uber success is critical.

[1] https://www.jornalcruzeiro.com.br/sorocaba/locadoras-de-carr... (pt-br) [2] https://www.bol.uol.com.br/noticias/2020/03/23/coronavirus-s... (pt-br) [3] https://www.infomoney.com.br/mercados/sem-servico-160-mil-mo... (pt-br) [4] https://www.uol.com.br/carros/colunas/autodata/2020/05/15/lo... (pt-br) [5] https://revistaautoesporte.globo.com/Noticias/noticia/2020/0... [6] https://www.blogdaslocadoras.com.br/locadoras-de-carros/reco...

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by dreamcompiler on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:01PM (#23226931)
Uber all but destroyed the existing taxi infrastructure in several major cities. So yeah, in many places they're now pretty essential.

That said, the barrier to entry for an Uber-like service is quite low, so if Uber vanished from the face of the Earth it wouldn't take more than about a month to re-create it.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by runawaybottle on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:58AM (#23231692)
The barrier for entry is dealing with municipal taxi commissions so you can actually operate the app. That alone probably require connections that a standard startup won’t be able to overcome.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by himinlomax on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:56PM (#23228269)
You can't fault the guy for believing / wanting to believe that what he's doing is useful.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by kikokikokiko on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:19PM (#23226304)
Tell that "Uber is not an essential service" to the millions of otherwise unemployable people that were able to feed their families using it. In countries like Brazil, where I'm from, the fall of Uber will have a gigantic impact. Gig economy apps BECAME ESSENTIAL parts of our lives, there's no denying it. But it was never sustainable. When everybody benefits from a product/service, other than the company that offers it, something is wrong. Uber only exists still, because of the FED's massive amount of money being printed and injected in the markets since 2008. Boomer's 401ks subsidized my Uber rides. The american taxpayers money created an amazing amount of wealth all over the world, lifted a lot of people from poverty. But now the party is over. Every unsustainable business eventually will die, just like the Dodos. I needed to write this, sorry. This ideia of Uber not being essential is such a miopic stance, it can only come from a person that can't see the impact, for the good, that gig economy apps had for the poor of the world.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by hobofan on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:14PM (#23227097)
The classification as an "essential service" has only to do with the service being essential to the _users_ of the service, and nothing to do with the workers.

You are completely twisting the label of an essential service in a way that makes it effectively meaningless. For every worker that depends on their salary for their livelihood, their job is essential, but that has nothing to do with an "essential service".

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by phatfish on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:21PM (#23229081)
All the gig economy apps do is ensure the poor stay poor.

When you are working 10-12 hours a day to make ends meet and shoulder the all costs of the depreciating fix assets there is very little opportunity dig yourself out of that hole.

Uber and similar companies are destroying the very small businesses (or squashing their margins into nothing) which traditionally are the environment that the poor can become entrepreneurs and build their own local business.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by kikokikokiko on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:24PM (#23229969)
You have no idea what you're talking about. I presume you live in the US. You definitely have no sense at how much an average brazilian/argentinian/russian/indian guy can improve their financial life by driving for a ride sharing app. I know of engineers and lawyers down here that are making 2, 3 times more money than they used to make working a 9to5 job. I'm tired of seeing privileged people talking about how the poor, or how the uneducated people are SOOOO sumb that they can't see that "after all the expenses and depreciation" they are literally paying to work for Uber etc. Please, be a little bit more humble and stop trying to prohibit the people that NEED, or even the people that would RATHER work as an Uber driver than to slave on a regular job. It's their needs, it's their CHOICE, not yours.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by minusf on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:10AM (#23232142)
uber helps some drivers, not so much others: Benjamen Walker's Theory of Everything: Going Karura http://feeds.prx.org/~r/TOE/~3/EWA9DPM9OaQ/294581
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by thoraway1010 on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:03PM (#23226053)
Ahh - the comment from the person with the multi-car garage, the tesla and the range rover.

Walk me through what folks without good car / transit access should be using? If cab companies are "essential" then uber is essential and preferred to cab companies in many markets.

A lot of folks on HN seems to be approaching this whole situation from the I have a ton of money, can work from home, have a car mental model.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by dang on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:30PM (#23227972)
Please don't cross into personal attack. Your comment would be fine without the first sentence.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by economicslol on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:09PM (#23226149)
>have a car mental model.

I suspect buying a reasonable used compact car is much more financially prudent than using Uber as you means of transportation. Maybe the calculus flips in a dense city like NYC but there's no way people who commute every day with Uber are doing so for cheaper than actually owning a car.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by freeqaz on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:26PM (#23226418)
When I lived in SF parking was $400 per month, plus as a young male my insurance was $200+ per month.

Most of the time I could take a bus or public transit, but when I couldn’t (like buying groceries) then I’d use an Uber. It was significantly cheaper versus owning a car, and it was absolutely an “essential” service at that point in my life.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by aeyes on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:20PM (#23226325)
> there's no way people who commute every day are doing so for cheaper than actually owning a car.

Yes there is: Public transportation (bus, metro, train). Millions of people get to work using it every day. Just having a car sit on the street would cost me at least 100$ per month in taxes, insurance, parking and other misc costs. I spend much less on public transportation.

Most people live in dense cities so these services exist. I almost only use Uber/taxis when I need to go to places that are hard to reach or at night.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by economicslol on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:44PM (#23226694)
I should have specified, my point was that Uber is not the same as public transportation and is essentially a luxury good.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by x0x0 on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:08PM (#23227016)
I bet Uber/Lyft enable single car ownership for lots of couples, and is nothing like a luxury good. Things like people who carpool, but need a backup when that falls through. Or the ability to get to a doctor (or any location) poorly served by public transit.

I mean, it's not a luxury good in the sense that you can buy a car, but I suspect many folks have made difficult or expensive to unwind decisions that make car ownership expensive. Classifying transportation where an alternative may well cost more than $1k/mo as a "luxury good" is a real stretch of the word luxury.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by economicslol on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:20PM (#23227158)
So a luxury that you can normally get by without? You seem to be strengthening my argument that it's not essential.

I think my point is being missed though and that is that using Uber as your daily commute is certainly not cheaper than owning a car. I think that's perfectly reasonable to say.

Also I don't mean to imply that Uber is a luxury in the same way Lois Vuitton is a luxury.

In my examples in other comments using Uber as a daily commute option almost certainly costs nearly 1000 or more per month.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by dj_brown_sugar on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:52PM (#23227538)
Using Uber alone for all transportation may be a luxury, but if you're in a situation where you rely heavily public transportation, Uber is a nearly essential addition to it.

Transporting large items, or groceries for an entire family are extremely difficult if not impossible over public transportation. Transporting a group of people (3+) can be approximately the same price on public transportation and Uber without potentially sacrificing comfort, safety, time and effort, many of which can be essential depending on your circumstances.

The cost of using Uber and Public transportation also requires a lot less upfront cost which is necessary for people living paycheck to paycheck and can't afford to spend around $2k on a car, as well as deal with it's maintenance time and cost.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by KptMarchewa on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:14PM (#23227106)
Then car is essentially a luxury good, since it's the same - just someone else is driving it.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by economicslol on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:23PM (#23227200)
Yes. That's my point. Uber is not essential, it is a luxury.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by thoraway1010 on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:20PM (#23227857)
That's not your call to make.

Literally folks with cars are telling folks without cars (but who use uber when needed) that uber is not necessary (ie, partial access to a car is not needed) while they have 24/7 access.

Anyone who has NOT owned a car will tell you - uber is essential - full stop.

30% of the population has HOUSEHOLD income from all sources of $30K or less. The cost of parking alone can be a major issue (many cheaper apts do not have dedicated parking).

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by arkadiytehgraet on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:50PM (#23228193)
Perhaps you should speak only for yourself and not others?

I don't have a car and hopefully never will. I never used an Uber or any similar service. I used taxi maybe 2 or 3 times in the past few years.

It is extremely easy to live without a car if the city / country accommodates for it.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by tjr225 on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:19PM (#23226313)
Buying a reasonable used compact car probably costs around 2000$ minimum. And a 2000$ car, no matter how nice, has the potential to require much more $$$ in maintenance when things start breaking.

Believe it or not, there are people out there who don't have $2000 and these people are also the same ones who can't get anyone to lend them money.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by himinlomax on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:00PM (#23228309)
I live in Paris, and I could easily afford a new car (or two) with my income as an SRE.

But then I'd have to park it, and just that would double the monthly cost. And then I'd probably use it once a month on average.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by dbancajas on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:54PM (#23228834)
So use the taxi for once a month? Uber doesn't have to exist for you to address your problem.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by freeone3000 on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:57PM (#23230195)
Okay, yes, Uber can be replaced by a taxi service with a good app because Uber's a taxi service with a good app. Gold star.

A taxi service is an essential complement to mass transit, and Uber provides that service in areas with poor taxi service (essentially everywhere).

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by himinlomax on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:33PM (#23229164)
I use my bicycle every day, but some people don't have that option. Also I normally use Uber more than once a month. The thing is, a car is way too much of hassle to use most of the time in the city. You need to park it, there's traffic, and then you can't drive drunk or so I've been told.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by economicslol on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:42PM (#23226670)
This is not some let them eat cake thing, frankly I think people with your pov are actually the ones saying that.

How much would it actually cost to commute 20-30 minutes to and from work in an Uber? $40 a day? More? Let's just say its 40 and you strictly commute during the week so that's $200 a week or 800 a month. Even with bad credit or no credit you would be able to save for a car rapidly. The $2000 car would only take 10 weeks to pay for fully in cash and the savings of 800$ per month could easily cover maintenance.

My point is if you can afford to use Uber as your sole means of transportation you can surely afford your own car and the people who can't are using subways or Buses. It's pretty simple, people who are struggling aren't using Uber very often.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by KptMarchewa on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:17PM (#23227131)
Why are you so focused on the "sole means of transportation"? Before COVID I've used Uber and the likes around twice a month - when using public transportation was unfeasible, like going to the airport with heavy luggage. Using public transportation and supplementing it with Uber was definitely most reasonable solution.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by economicslol on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:21PM (#23227177)
Because the Grandfather comment was about classifying Uber as an essential service when it's clearly not as demonstrated by yours and other comments. Using Uber a few times a month for extenuating circumstances is really not Essential.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by KptMarchewa on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:00PM (#23227632)
The "essentialness" of an service it a pretty bad concept. Uber is definitely non essential as sole means, but it starts to be pretty essential when you feel sick and want to go to hospital (not on ambulance level tho).
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by jvanderbot on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:28PM (#23226446)
This discounts the difficulties in buying a car when credit is bad or nonexistent. I was in this situation, the only people who will give you a vehicle are loan sharks and scammers. Partially this was my own ignorance (see: awful credit). Partially it was my own bad credit itself.

It also discounts the horrible stress that adding a known monthly bill can cause, when Uber is more flexible, pay-what-you-need. And I was never as bad as many others, so I can see how the least-prepared and least-financially-secure could see Uber as a viable use, either once-in-a-while (e.g., missed the bus), or for regular use (paying $12 for a two-way, 1 mile trip through a crappy part of town can pay for itself if you avoid an hour of walking and get an hour of working).

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by economicslol on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:45PM (#23226719)
So you're saying Uber is a luxury. So it's not essential.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by Reubend on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:52PM (#23226825)
If you can use public transportation, then relying on it with supplementary transportation from Uber is cheaper in most cities.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by aguyfromnb on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:13PM (#23226216)
>A lot of folks on HN seems to be approaching this whole situation from the I have a ton of money, can work from home, have a car mental model.

You think poor people are using Uber to get around?

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by kikokikokiko on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:21PM (#23226343)
No, they are the ones driving it. And now they will be out of their job.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by andyjohnson0 on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:46PM (#23228752)
> Ahh - the comment from the person with the multi-car garage, the tesla and the range rover.

I think you have me mistaken for someone else. I don't have any of those things. Not even close.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by dbancajas on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:07PM (#23226129)
> ation from the I have a ton of money, can work fr

is uber cheaper than cabs/public transpo w/o the VC subsidy? 15 years ago there was no uber and people were able to get by using public transpo.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by nerfhammer on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:21PM (#23226341)
the idea that uber loses money on rides because of "VC" needs to die. uber is not VC funded anymore and hasn't been for a long time now.

uber loses money on every ride because uber loses money overall because it spends a lot of money on other projects, not because the marginal cost/benefit of each ride is negative.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by dbancajas on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:55PM (#23227582)
If they spin off the ride sharing part of the company how much are they earning? do you know?
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by mqnfred on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:00PM (#23228892)
The ridesharing line of business has been profitable for at least a year from what I can tell. The plan was for it to cover all the other costs by EoY 2020, incl. HQ expenses and other bets like Eats.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by Reubend on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:51PM (#23226808)
Centuries ago, people got by with horses. Does that mean that cars aren't essential?

Ridesharing services allow for an unprecedented level of mobility for those who don't already own cars.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by dbancajas on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:54PM (#23227567)
You could say the same for taxis. If uber cost 100$/ride you wouldn't be claiming it is unprecedented. It will die because no one wants to pay for it with the real cost: livable wage + proper car insurance.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by giglamesh on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:45PM (#23225749)
There is a very simple way to determine if a service is essential or not. If it existed 15 years ago it might be essential, but if it did not, then it is definitely not essential. Human civilization arose and thrived for thousands of years without ride-share. We'll be fine (better off actually) without it.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by ollerac on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:09PM (#23226158)
This is a terrible measure.

The World Wide Web was invented only 30 years ago, yet it's arguably the single most essential service during this time. Without it, social distancing while keeping large parts of the economy alive wouldn't have even been an option.

At the rate technology is becoming embedded into our daily lives, I think an arbitrary number of years is definitely not the way to decide whether something is essential. Context matters. What if instead of a pandemic that affects the lungs, the next one affects older people's ability to walk? Not very hard to imagine Uber being considered a 100% essential service at that point.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by drstewart on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:22PM (#23226349)
Well, you're right about one thing: that sure is a simple method.

Useful? No. Effective? No. Meaningful? No. But definitely simple.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by tomjen3 on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:05PM (#23226101)
Why 15 years? Why not 50? Or 150?

By those measures BTW, antibiotics, modern sewers and (for the most part) vacinations aren't essential.

And indeed they aren't, for the survival of the human race. They are, however, very important for the survival of individual humans.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by pm90 on Monday May 18, 2020 @11:53AM (#23224019)
I wonder how Dara’s approach will pan out if things get much worse (most economists predict that there will be a greater recession than 08 unless urgent fiscal and monetary actions are taken immediately). Friends in the oil industry have described the environment as cutthroat and unpredictable, swaying wildly from euphoric good times to brutal cost cutting when oil prices fall... I was shocked at how they were treated but in a cyclical market that’s the only kind of company that will survive the lows.

Hopefully it doesn’t come to that but who knows.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by abbadadda on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:24PM (#23227207)
Really well written email... This seems like a smart thing to do: `We must establish ourselves as a self-sustaining enterprise that no longer relies on new capital or investors to keep growing, expanding, and innovating.`
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by mv4 on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:07PM (#23227717)
I expect this to get downvoted, but: I would say that was a smart thing to say when laying off thousands of employees. That's not necessarily what the top executives believe, or want, as it is much much harder.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by noisy_boy on Monday May 18, 2020 @11:52AM (#23224002)
> And over the next 12 months we will begin the process of winding down our Singapore office and moving to a new APAC hub in a market where we operate our services.

Wonder where the new APAC hub is? Could it be Hong Kong? They have had the unrest issues but haven't been impacted much by covid, relatively speaking.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by vishnugupta on Monday May 18, 2020 @11:59AM (#23224098)
My educated guess is India. They have a reasonably big development center in Bangalore and Hyderabad, besides operating rides business there.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by babesh on Monday May 18, 2020 @12:04PM (#23224180)
The Information had a good article on the engineering layoffs (at least the previous round). The CEO decided to cut people to shift development to lower cost countries even when some managers were willing to cut their own salaries to save some jobs.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by pthomas551 on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:23PM (#23225405)
India is a regulatory nightmare. It's more likely to be Tokyo or Seoul. Maybe Sydney but from a geographic perspective Australia isn't exactly ideal.
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Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by ra7 on Monday May 18, 2020 @12:08PM (#23224236)
Where did you get those numbers? And how did you conclude engineers worldwide are being "replaced by" Indians from a statement which says they're moving APAC hub from Singapore?
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Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by vishnugupta on Monday May 18, 2020 @12:49PM (#23224874)
The speculation was in response to question about “moving Singapore to APAC”. Sorry if that wasn’t clear from the context.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by kaitai on Monday May 18, 2020 @09:46PM (#23230498)
Thanks for posting this. It's been interesting to see Uber's engagement with its other businesses (like freight): they've been running trucks at a loss for several years now, it seems, and folks have wondered how long this can continue. That's a funny thing about Uber and more generally VC cash -- it can really cause 'artificial distortions' in industries. Will these layoffs reduce some of these distortions and return some of these industries to for-profit vs for-profit, instead of loss-leader vs normal business?
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by diebeforei485 on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:39PM (#23227388)
Anyone know how they are handling folks on TN and H-1B visas?
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by wow222 on Monday May 18, 2020 @11:41AM (#23223804)
Personally, I would prefer "Sorry, we're letting you go, reasons are obvious - it's covid19 not you. Thanks for everything, your last month salary will be paid on X and we're giving you Y months of cash to help you transition."... Why make a movie out of it?
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by AndrewUnmuted on Monday May 18, 2020 @12:37PM (#23224699)
> I am incredibly thankful to everyone reading this email, because

I'm just curious, did you take the time to add the emphasis here, or did the original email have the word "everyone" surrounded by asterisk characters?

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by jonluca on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:15PM (#23225279)
I copy and pasted it from the CNBC article - not sure if that's their emphasis or not.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by wdb on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:53PM (#23225885)
I don't consider Uber taxis an essential service, though. More a luxury. Internet is a essential utility service but Uber?
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by sjf on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:07PM (#23226121)
Many, many people live out of the range of public transport. Not everyone can drive, private taxis _are_ an essential service.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by wdb on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:17PM (#23226273)
Yes, I can't drive and still only take public transport. It's more convenient than getting a Uber in London. Even taking a black cab can actually be cheaper. So yeah, I fully aware that transportation is important. I wish that would be better covered.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by chrisseaton on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:28PM (#23226439)
> Yes, I can't drive and still only take public transport.

Lucky for you that this is an option. For many people less fortunate than yourself it is not an option and they rely on taxis such as Uber.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by wdb on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:01PM (#23228331)
Lucky for them they can afford these taxis to get everywhere. I can't and I am happy to walk a while to get to the closest bus stop so I can get to the tube. But I prefer the bus as I can take multiple buses within a hour for the same fee :)
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by chrisseaton on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:30PM (#23229144)
> Lucky for them they can afford these taxis to get everywhere.

They can't afford not to!

> I am happy to walk a while to get to the closest bus stop so I can get to the tube.

You're lucky that you have access to walkable pavements, busses, and a tube. That's a lot of privilege! I'd sure they'd be happy to use those as well! But many people don't have access to those things, and if they want to get anywhere they need to pay taxis.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by wdb on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:42PM (#23229233)
Sorry, out of curiosity but where are you from? Where you can't walk or cycle 10-20 minutes to a bus stop?
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by chrisseaton on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:45PM (#23229262)
I live in semi-rural Cheshire - we do have pavements and busses (but the busses take hours to get anywhere). We don't have anything as amazing as the tube!

If I want to get somewhere outside my village in less than a couple of hours I'd have to use a taxi or drive.

But if you go to for example some parts of the US, they literally don't even have pavements let alone busses, let alone tubes.

They can't even walk to their local shops in some cases. They're trapped without a car or taxi.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by wdb on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:40PM (#23229685)
Yes, I also living in rural Holland where the bus only ran once a hour. Took hours to get to the closest train station to take the train so I understand the pain :)

Yes, one of the reasons you mention is why I never accepted a job in the US as I would be stuck!

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by elliekelly on Monday May 18, 2020 @12:52PM (#23224919)
> I had to make this decision because our very future as an essential service for the cities of the world

Any company that facilitates or provides an in-person service that has seen a sharp decline from Covid-19 is pretty clearly not an essential service in the minds of their customers.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by dashwav on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:00PM (#23225053)
As a counterpoint, buses/railways are imo 100% an essential service for cities and yet they were running empty during the COVID-19 lockdown where I live. I would hate to see them recategorized as non-essential because of a situation that is clearly completely abnormal.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by dustinmoris on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:32PM (#23225540)
Counterpoint to your counterpoint. I agree that public transport is essential, but the level at which it was running previously was 100% non essential, because the majority of the workforce in places like London (where we have excellent public transport) can & should work from home. There's no need for accountants to sit in an open plan office all clustered on the same spot in the City of London and therefore putting a huge strain on public transport which forces London to run a train every 60 seconds.

And precisely because public transport IS essential we still had all of it running, just at a reduced capacity to facilitate the essential public demand. So comparing public transport with Uber only highlights even more how Uber is non essential, because we can live pretty much without it, but we evidently can't without public transport (as seen in London).

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by rockinghigh on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:16PM (#23225309)
Are you saying transportation and restaurants are not essential?
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by bbv-if on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:10PM (#23226162)
Judging from my experience - restaurants are not. We have started cooking more since the beginning of the lockdown being able to cook during the time that would have otherwise been spent on commute. And we have saved a surprisingly large amount of money in the process.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by mcculley on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:26PM (#23227235)
How could restaurants be considered essential? People can eat without having food cooked for them.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by dustinmoris on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:37PM (#23225627)
Well... transportation hasn't disappeared. People still drive, cycle and take busses and trains, so clearly these means of transport are essential. However, it is true that air travel has collapsed and restaurants as well, both which seem to be non essential. People don't have to fly to other places (for the most part at least, air freight is still happening plentyfull) and people can cook at home or get delivery, so it seems that not all transportation is essential and that restaurants aren't either.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by soulofmischief on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:27PM (#23225453)
The numbers are skewed because of the nature of this pandemic. People are scared of being in close proximity with each other.

I would argue some portion of the accommodations industry is essential (avg. occupancy rates of around ~%60 in normal times, so let's say ~%60 of hotels/motels are essential) and yet I know multiple hoteliers who have had to close shop for the next few months due to zero volume. This doesn't mean that day-to-day, hotels aren't an essential service.

Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by treis on Monday May 18, 2020 @12:00PM (#23224106)
Seems like a lot of cuts that needed to happen even without Covid. Common refrain for these companies is why does Company X need Y thousands of employees for a single app/website. For Uber I guess we are going to find out how much they were really needed.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by jeffbee on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:04PM (#23225110)
Yes, pandemic is going to force companies to take action that was necessary anyway. Uber's businesses, all of them, everywhere, are garbage. There is no sense, no matter how narrow or convoluted, in which Uber has been profitable. Spare me the discussion of how their empanada delivery business in Jakarta is very healthy. Just spare me. When I was a professional investor, whenever management told me that they had a really profitable business in Uruguay or Crete or wherever I would run, RUN back to my desk and short their stock. "Big in Japan" is not. Anyway the point is Uber is the most-fucked company that ever was. They will never expand into their new Mission Bay HQ. At best, they will retreat into it, abandoning their other real estate in a continuation of the process that began when they bailed out of Oakland. This has been a long time coming for Uber and Covid-19 merely gives them the cover to do what's needed.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by johnwangdoe on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:14AM (#23232522)
That makes sense. The earlier employee definitely made off like bandits.
Re:Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices by degurechaff on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:52PM (#23225877)
uber is not available in jakarta, only grab & gojek