Comcast in the US (idk ++millions of users) by default enables a 2nd WiFi network that is open to all of their subscribers. Is convenient, amusing, and annoying, depending on perspective.

To be fair - it is rate-limited and QoS-managed and traffic doesn’t count towards your usage limit (if you have one).

Back when I was a Comcast customer I did find it useful when I was in an area with no - or too slow - mobile-data connections.

Also, I believe using other people's xfinitywifi doesn't count towards your bandwidth.

BT in the UK does a similar thing - called "Fon"

I assume that traffic on that network is always qossed to lowest priority, but I've never used it (I don't use a BT router)

I glad to hear that Fon is still around. Back when they were giving out free AP's I snagged a couple and they were my first foray into hardware hacking. Neat little devices, I always felt a bit guilty about not using them to actually deploy fon hotspots.

A year or two ago they sent an email to all of us with 1st gen FON hardware and said they were retiring it and that we'd have to buy a new one. I didn't.

They never disabled my account - I not get worldwide FON roaming for free forever - yay!

Virgin Media do this too, your box is by default something like VM123456-[2|5]G and an (optional) 'community' hotspot (like FON) of VirginMedia

Not just that. The reality is, unfortunately, that Tor is used for a whole bunch of illegal activities too. Most notably child pornagrahpy.

I wouldn't want that kind of traffic flowing through my IP address, even if it was only for legal reasons.

This is really only a concern if you are an exit node, which is not something that people are encouraged to do without experience and measures in place to knowingly protect themselves.

If you are just a relay, the content is encrypted and your chances of liability are low. Same goes if you are promoted to a guard node.

> If you are just a relay, the content is encrypted and your chances of liability are low.

It's not just liability, for me it's also ethics. It gives me piece of mind that I am not contributing towards these practices.

But being an ordinary relay means you are still being used as a hop for people to connect to hidden services. Do you think hidden services are less ethically dubious than clearnet services?

I think you're misunderstanding their argument. They don't want to be an exit node because they don't want to share their public IP (liability), nor do they want to be a relay because they don't want to help route to hidden services (ethics).

You pay your taxes used to pay for bombs to kill people.

Sometimes you have to look at the big picture when making ethical decisions.

> You pay your taxes used to pay for bombs to kill people.

Paying tax is mandatory, unlike installing a tor node on your modem.

Based on that argument we shouldn't have the internet because some users will do unethical things with it.

You really shouldn't do anything for that matter.

How's your piece of mind being complacent in the surveillance and persecution of innocent victims?

i used to run a tor node but then my bank blocked me because i was a tor node, even though i wasn't an exit node. that alone was too much of a hassle so i stopped doing it. i also work from home now and vpn to work at a really big company that it wouldn't surprise me if they would notice i ran a tor node with whatever edge security they have. so there are very valid reasons to not even run a tor node from home.

> i used to run a tor node but then my bank blocked me because i was a tor node, even though i wasn't an exit node. that alone was too much of a hassle so i stopped doing it. i also work from home now and vpn to work at a really big company that it wouldn't surprise me if they would notice i ran a tor node with whatever edge security they have. so there are very valid reasons to not even run a tor node from home.

How did the bank block you? By blocking your ip or your user account?

If you run an exit node on you home internet connection _EVERYTTHING_ that sits behind cloudflare will recaptcha you on every page load. It's easy for service providers to get a list of all tor exit nodes and then blacklist them. If your home IP is an exit node, even non tor traffic coming from regular browsing on your machine is indistinguishable from actual tor traffic. 3

Cox is also very prone to turning off your internet at random times due to botnet traffic looking like it's originating from inside your network.

I'm with you but parent specifically said they were not running an exit node.

my ip. when i would visit their website it would say they don't allow tor. a week or two after i disabled my node they unblocked my ip.

Not just that. The reality is, unfortunately, that money is used for a whole bunch of illegal activities too. Most notably child pornagrahpy. I wouldn't want that kind of currency flowing through my house, even if it was only for legal reasons.