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Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by SkyPuncher on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:15PM (#21815781)
I'm now actively looking and buying from other places unless I desperately need something in 2-days or less and know exactly what I need.

* Searching has simply becoming wading through pages and pages of Chinese junk with incorrect, misleading, or straight-up lies in the description.

* Similarly, the average quality of generic items is so poor, I'm trending back to brick-and-mortar stores. Walmart may have cheap stuff, but at least they put some effort into maintaining their brand.

* Who knows what product a review was actually written for. Lots of basic products are being sold to pump up reviews then being switched to a much more expensive item.

* I've also noticed I'll pay for many name brand items on Amazon that getting them directly from seller or another retailer.

* At least 10% of my orders from Amazon now have something wrong with them. What good is 2 day shipping if I need to return and re-order an item - taking nearly a week total.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by mitchty on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:39PM (#21816131)
> I'm now actively looking and buying from other places unless I desperately need something in 2-days or less and know exactly what I need.

Even then, its getting harder to find somewhere I can "trust". Example, I buy 8TiB Seagate drives, used to be I could depend on Newegg to get them, but now they have a market thing like amazon.

My last box from them was empty, literally. I'm down to B&H photo for buying drives which is fine they're great but I'm getting pissed off at all the things that used to work fine to buy on amazon but now its total sketch.

An Amazon example, I bought a NUC from some random store, but totes shipped by Amazon we promise so I was like well eh, its like the only place on the internet to buy this model.

Didn't even get sent, fortunately I got a refund but I'm DONE buying electronics on Amazon or Newegg. I can't trust that I'll get what I want from either anymore. This ignores the crap like getting a power brick and finding out the stupid thing is a counterfeit and not the name brand it was supposed to be.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by rbritton on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:08PM (#21816525)
I've actually gone back to eBay for many types of products, including computer components. The platform itself is only the transaction layer, and you're able to select the specific company/individual on there to purchase from. Because the reputation is tied to the account, they're more incentivized to match the product description to the actual product delivered.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by imtringued on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @07:07AM (#21824039)
Ebay is based on the idea that you do not trust the sellers. On the Amazon market they can just hide behind the Amazon brand.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by sixothree on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:34PM (#21816907)
I am convinced the Gillette razors I buy from Amazon are counterfeit or simply rejects. I buy the same item from Target and they last twice as long and shave better.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by caseyohara on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:00PM (#21817290)
I've had the same experience. The Gillette blades I've gotten from Amazon are noticeably lower quality.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by yellow_lead on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:01PM (#21816450)
I would order from BestBuy. I just did this for an M2 and I knew that if there's any issues, I can just take it to the nearest store. They also price match, but you need to go in store or call a customer service line to do it. I just went in store. Less convenient, but less risky for larger purchases.

edit - best buy may not have everything you need but typically you can find a decent drive.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by djsumdog on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:18PM (#21816704)
BestBuy or MicroCenter. NewEgg is good too, but it's pretty much like Amazon in the sense it's a marketplace for other stores.

The big issue is that there aren't a bunch of independent e-retailers to choose from. If you want to make it, you gotta make stores on Amazon, eBay, NewEgg, Etsy and Reverb (not all of course; depends on your products). I wrote an article about this recently:

https://battlepenguin.com/tech/the-death-of-the-mom-and-pop-...

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by vinniejames on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:22PM (#21816741)
Tiger Direct is a good option as well http://tigerdirect.com/
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by blackearl on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:31PM (#21816862)
How's it been since their buyout? I stayed away for a few years since.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by ectospheno on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:07PM (#21816518)
I recently started going to BestBuy again. I'd stopped for a few years. I found that I enjoyed the experience of shopping there again.

The realization that the experience that changed was Amazon, not BestBuy was startling to me.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by dragontamer on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:06PM (#21816511)
I find that Best Buy is good for prepackaged stuff: like a full laptop or a full desktop. In fact, Best Buy prices are competitive if you're buying those kinds of items.

Best Buy sometimes has GPUs or SSDs at good prices, but its less common. I still price-compare at Best Buy because of that small chance that they win in the price wars, but my #1 goto is still Microcenter (or Newegg if from online).

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by setr on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:23PM (#21816743)
Cables however is outright offensive; they operate like an airport - everything is $25 to $40
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by dragontamer on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:30PM (#21816851)
I dunno. I'd rather spend $25 on an unnecessarily expensive cable than get a $10 cable that blows up my $1000 laptop: https://www.amazon.com/review/R2XDBFUD9CTN2R/ref=cm_cr_rdp_p...

The fact of the matter is: Amazon's cables have such low-quality assurance on them, that they're untrustworthy now.

I think for cables specifically, Monoprice has created a good reputation and a good price. Unlike Amazon, who hides behind "marketplace sellers" and "comingling", Monoprice puts their own reputation on the line when they sell cables.

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=5458

Ultimately, if Amazon wants to be a "marketplace seller", they can. But Amazon needs to do a much better job combating fake-sellers, low-quality products. I'm not even anti-Chinese or whatever, I'm fine buying cheap Chinese stuff as long as there's some long-standing brand name that is willing to take the reputation hit if things go wrong. (Ex: why I'm fine buying cheap Chinese goods from Walmart, but not fine with buying cheap Chinese goods from Amazon. Walmart does step in and take responsibility)

Otherwise, its just Alibaba Russian roulette with your stuff. Maybe things work, maybe things don't, maybe things will blow up your laptop. Maybe the 18650 cell will blow up in your vaping device and give 3rd degree burns on your face. Or the 18650 cells will create a garage fire burning down your new scooter. Etc. etc.

The problem is the distinct lack of brands and accountability on Amazon. If a Monoprice or Best Buy cable destroyed laptops or caused fires, we'd all blame Monoprice or Best Buy. But if an Amazon item does the same, we somehow don't blame Amazon, but some indistinct unnamed entity.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by DrScump on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @07:17PM (#21820520)
I bought a Samsung Galaxy tablet from Best Buy's secondary (opened packaging or complete returns) inventory that has been absolutely flawless. I was never a tablet person ("if it doesn't fit in my pocket, I want a damn keyboard") but I've ended up using it every damn day.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by ticmasta on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:43PM (#21817043)
Two things prevent me from using best buy (in Canada)

1. they too have a giant marketplace of who knows who

2. they require you to stay logged in to paypal if you want to use it for "convenience". The entire reason I use PP is to prevent sharing my payment data with yet another retailer and provide some isolation.

If I need something from them I just order to the store and pay then.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by rietta on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:18PM (#21816698)
MicroCenter has a good website. For mass market things, I've switched to the Best Buy that is only 2 miles from my house. Fry's or MicroCenter if I need anything else. My wife bought a iPhone to HDMI adapter from Amazon (against my advice) and got a cheap knockoff that cannot even show Netflix on TV - her actual use case is to show movie clips to patients in a group session. I ended up buying her one in person from the Apple Store.

Edit to Add - She KNEW she was getting the generic adapter but still thought it would do what she needed. So this is not Amazon's fault in this case.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by milesvp on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:37PM (#21816969)
Fyi, cheap iphone adapters cannot work. Apple makes their decryption chips (for anything audio, not sure video) very expensive. If the product is priced low enough, it cannot possibly have the chip, since it’s like $3 in bulk, which adds like $10 minimum to final price.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by sixothree on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:38PM (#21816978)
I have started using Best Buy as well because of proximity. Their prices are very much on par with Amazon's and I can trust them to sell me real products.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by opportune on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:28PM (#21816813)
I went to a Frys in the South Bay recently and everything there was at least 20% more expensive than it would be online.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by 0xffff2 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @06:09PM (#21819978)
Fry's (Palo Alto and Sunnyvale locations) has been a ghost town in terms of products, employees and customers the last few times I've been in. I'm reluctant to go there anymore because it's quite likely that I won't be able to find the thing I'm looking for and there's a decent chance I won't even be able to find an employee to ask.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by blackearl on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:29PM (#21816833)
Best Buy matches prices too, they're good for things that are widely available.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by myself248 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:34PM (#21816911)
At least Newegg has a simple checkbox for "sold by newegg" as opposed to "marketplace sellers". I just got into the habit of checking that all the time.

Except last time, I forgot, and when I needed to return something, it took over a week just to get an RMA and return shipping info from the "marketplace".

Fuck yooooooou, Newegg, for doing this to your brand and to my shopping.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by dragontamer on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:55PM (#21816356)
Microcenter serves my computing supplies needs quite well. There's nothing like feeling the darn thing with your hands before buying it.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by chefandy on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:21PM (#21816734)
Even if you don't live near one (there are only 25 locations in the country, including one in California which is well south of L.A.) the online prices are competitive, and the customer service is decent.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by 0xffff2 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @06:10PM (#21819990)
I used to live pretty close to that one in California and I've missed it ever since I moved up to the bay. Never realized that it's the only Microcenter in California.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by chefandy on Thursday December 19, 2019 @01:44PM (#21837844)
I've only been to the one near MIT in Cambridge. I'd be curious to see how other locations compare.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by acheron on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:15PM (#21816657)
Yeah, I agree that finding a "good" place for some products is hard, but "computer parts" is not one of those categories, as Microcenter is perfectly fine.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by blackearl on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:33PM (#21816899)
They only have so many locations. I recall being really disappointed being 100+ miles away and not being able to cash in on their CPU/MoBo deals
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by Lammy on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:05PM (#21816497)
The cycle will always continue. I went through a Newegg era, then an Amazon era, now a similar B&H era as you, and who knows what store will be my go-to a few years from now. The only constant is the cycle of death of the old and something new taking its place. I’ve come to view it as a feature.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by elif on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:25PM (#21816784)
I mean, it's pretty easy to distinguish marketplace listings from normal ones. You can even filter by that criteria.

On Newegg and Amazon.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by brewdad on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @03:22PM (#21818339)
Buying from Amazon directly will get you a very good returns policy but offers no guarantee of authenticity due to their commingling of inventory.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by kipchak on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:24PM (#21817608)
As a historical note Newegg was bought by Hangzhou Liaison Intrctv in 2016 which kicked off the whole marketplace thing.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by ticmasta on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:41PM (#21817021)
Walmart is the same marketplace and it's not like I shop there for "premium quality" but I still can't trust the stuff they send is legit.

Never thought I'd miss the old monopolistic, competition killing WalMart that raced towards the bottom...

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by alpaca128 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:07PM (#21816516)
I'm glad that a local electronics store ships faster than Amazon usually does even with Prime. I gladly pay the small price difference for the safety and the basic level of phone support of that company. I haven't had any serious issues yet, but the severe decline in product and review quality is obvious and fake products become more and more common.

I still use Amazon for the various products that simply aren't available in stores, but nowadays I first look somewhere else.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by LameRubberDucky on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:39PM (#21816984)
Here in the DFW area, I can get same day delivery of some items from Best Buy. I bought my SSD on cyber-monday that way and had it the same day. You do have to check the box that says in-store items or similar. Can't remember the exact name, but that will filter out all of the marketplace items.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by dawnerd on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @03:08PM (#21818172)
Best buy doesn't have marketplace items in the US. They do ship from local stores which might be why checking in store would get the item to you faster.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by opportune on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:27PM (#21816795)
I recently bought $1.6k worth of computer parts from amazon and they were all fine. But I only purchased directly through amazon/manufacturers and only selected completely new items.

I’ve gotten shitty stuff before but it’s always FBA. So I just avoid that now and I have no complaints (other than the fact that very few things I actually buy arrive in 2 days)

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by MatthewWilkes on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:32PM (#21816877)
That doesn't protect you, as all "new" stock is treated as interchangeable. If someone sends something to amazon to sell as new and you buy from their marketplace shop you won't necessarily get the one the seller sent, you'll get the one that Amazon can deliver most efficiently.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by bulldoa on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @04:32PM (#21819107)
Why would they do that tho? Doesn't that encourage fraud and damage their brand? I am just scratching my head trying to understand the benefit of doing that besides logistic cost?
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by Shivetya on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:34PM (#21816048)
The review hijacking as covered in a recent consumer reports article [0] really makes me doubt any item with a significant number of reviews. I have seen similar myself and Amazon's excuse for it happening should not be accepted and probably requires intervention, they are in effect support false advertising and while I have not seen it myself I have seen people claim it occurs on amazon branded products too.

it is just not acceptable a shopping site has so little product integrity that they cannot guarantee a review belongs to the product it is attached too. Amazon could fix a lot of this by assigning each product a unique number that can never be reused; as in ever. Let the retailer point back to the previous version if review history is important but never let it appear as review of the viewed product

[0] https://www.consumerreports.org/customer-reviews-ratings/hij...

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by sharkmerry on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:11PM (#21816590)
Just as a note, Consumer Reports definitely has a financial interest in putting down online reviews. Not that these issues dont exist, but Consumer Reports has its own set of flaws that they dont publish articles about.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by simias on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:45PM (#21816221)
I've received a counterfeit item ordered through the amazon marketplace the other month. When I requested a refund there wasn't even an option to signal that it was a fake, the closest item on the list was something like "doesn't match the description" or something of the sort. I suppose it's technically true but the fact that they don't even attempt to single out scammers from potential honest mistakes at this level doesn't really bode well.

I must say that I don't really understand this strategy, although of course it's hard to get the full picture when you don't have access to the raw numbers. It's not like Amazon is aching for money so why risk their reputation like this?

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by heavyset_go on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:03PM (#21816475)
To anyone who receives counterfeit items sold on Amazon: alert the company that makes the real items. Amazon is violating the law by selling counterfeit products, and the companies can go after them for doing so.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by Jamwinner on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @09:21PM (#21821179)
I have had the companies reapond with everything from "yup, its another fake, we do not sell our product on amazon" to "here is the product for free because you helped us win a judgement aganst a longtime chinese counterfitting group that is one of amazons top sellers"

Its really out of hand.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by GilbertErik on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:31PM (#21816863)
I think they don't have that return option because if Amazon were to present a return option that lets you signal sellers sending you counterfeit goods, that'd be tantamount to Amazon admitting they sell counterfeit goods.

They'd never sell you counterfeit goods, so that option on the pulldown doesn't even need to be there in the first place!?!? wink wink right?!? RIGHT??!

As someone who's received a counterfeit board game, I do have to say that they were exceedingly prompt in getting me a replacement item. I know it's probably an uphill battle, but I hope they're able to make some progress on that front.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by Lammy on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:08PM (#21816534)
It’s a psychological thing where they don’t want somebody returning an item for a different reason to think “Are there so many counterfeits here that it warrants its own category?” even though yeah, there are. Same idea as anti-piracy adverts on DVDs being the thing that teaches somebody its possible and even easy to pirate a movie.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by savrajsingh on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:07PM (#21816521)
Listing “fake” in that reasons-for-return form would be an admission on amazon’s part :)
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by thearn4 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:29PM (#21815989)
> Lots of basic products are being sold to pump up reviews then being switched to a much more expensive item.

This is the most frustrating of them all, reviews mean absolutely nothing anymore when the item can be switched out at will while keeping any old reviews.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by organsnyder on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:34PM (#21816062)
The frustrating thing is that it seems like a trivial problem to solve. Changing too many attributes of a product should either be disallowed, or automatically wipe old reviews.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by hk__2 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:42PM (#21816175)
> The frustrating thing is that it seems like a trivial problem to solve. Changing too many attributes of a product should either be disallowed, or automatically wipe old reviews.

If it hasn’t been solved yet, it’s probably not that trivial. How many is “too many”? What happens if I change one attribute every week or so until I’ve completely changed the product?

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by CharlesColeman on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:50PM (#21816291)
> If it hasn’t been solved yet, it’s probably not that trivial. How many is “too many”? What happens if I change one attribute every week or so until I’ve completely changed the product?

The problem seems trivial, especially for a company of Amazon's size. All they'd need to do is have some prominent part of the product description (say the product name) be unmodifiable without review and approval by Amazon, and have reviewers that are trained to spot patterns of fraudulent behavior. Any legitimate issues caused by the review can probably be mitigated by giving sellers the ability to get pending changes pre-approved before they go live [1].

If a seller doesn't want to go through the approval, they can delete the product listing and create a new one with a new description, but they'd lose all the reviews. Seems like a fair tradeoff.

However, all that would cost a little bit of money, and would require staff. Amazon probably made the business decision that they like money, and don't mind the costs of allowing the fraud since it's mostly borne by customers.

[1] so the Amazon review for a legitimate product name change can happen while the packaging is being redesigned, and it can all go live in a coordinated fashion

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by ethbro on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:23PM (#21816747)
> All they'd need to do is have some prominent part of the product description (say the product name) be unmodifiable without review and approval by Amazon

It's more trivial than that -- the product physical dimensions and weight.

Amazon, the store, may have no idea about the description or product specifics.

But you think Amazon, the logistics company, doesn't know exactly everything needed for shipping and warehousing an item?

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by mminer237 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:49PM (#21817111)
Sellers have the option to ship things themselves too. They just aren't eligible for Prime shipping.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by rawrmaan on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:50PM (#21816295)
I think the simpler answer is that data shows that it’s good for Amazon’s sales, so they have no incentive to fix it.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by SkyPuncher on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:41PM (#21817014)
The "curse" of being data driven without the right data or the broader picture. Netflix seems to be suffering from the same thing.

It's hard to capture long-term sentiment towards a product, so short term optimization end up dominating conversations.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by munk-a on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:11PM (#21816599)
I mean - more conventional stores solve this with oversight, but amazon is trying to be amazon scale with zero oversight - can't let those unsustainable profit margins suffer.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by acheron on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:17PM (#21816681)
> What happens if I change one attribute every week or so until I’ve completely changed the product?

"Five stars! Would recommend this ship to Theseus or anyone else."

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by Spooky23 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:58PM (#21816405)
We’re at the point now that eBay is more reliable than Amazon.

There are thousands of retailers out there, Amazon seems to be unique in having this problem at scale.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by zo1 on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @03:00AM (#21822812)
All marketplaces have these problems, I would argue. If they don't, it's probably just because the "scammers" and product "spammers" haven't found it or focused on it yet.

As long as you let such individuals into your marketplace without any oversight or data-cleaning requirements, you will have this problem. It's like email and spam all over again.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by imtringued on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @10:00AM (#21825477)
>All marketplaces have these problems

No this is a problem unique to Amazon because it has both a marketplace filled with third party sellers and an official brand both operating on the same site without highlighting that the marketplace is less trustworthy. If you want to buy an Asus mainboard then you won't be brought to a seller specific page. Instead there is a product specific page that bundles first party and third party sellers onto a single page and both will appear in the search results. The conflict of interest is pretty obvious. Only Amazon sells the "AmazonBasics" brand and by making all non Amazon brands look untrustworthy through third party sellers they steer people toward buying the Amazon products.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by Pigo on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:18PM (#21816700)
I find it amusing how much Amazon has reminded me of the rise and fall of eBay. eBay was a fun experience when it first blew up. Then enough people decided they were going to leverage it into becoming a business, and it turned into an annoying mess of ads.

It's not a perfect parallel of course, so some lessons were learned I suppose. It just seems like it was somehow fun at first, and then the people who sell on it find a way to ruin the experience.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:35PM (#21816935)
> It just seems like it was somehow fun at first, and then the people who sell on it find a way to ruin the experience.

Just like the internet.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by Pigo on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:39PM (#21816988)
Point well taken... oh man, that's depressing, I did completely describe the Internet as a whole.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by jotm on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:22PM (#21816736)
eBay never fell, you probably just stopped using it. It's still good, better than Amazon. You can see what you're buying and most of the time, where you're buying from (either in the listing, or when paying with Paypal). And the feedback system seems much better than Amazon.

I dunno, I always get what I want from eBay, and any issues are resolved quickly and fairly, while Amazon it's pay and pray :/

This is in the EU, btw.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by ethbro on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:25PM (#21816782)
Amazon forgot that their core value proposition was shopping experience, not price or shipping speed.

And they've managed to improve the latter while ignoring the former.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by Scoundreller on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:34PM (#21816917)
Thing is, Ebay is a skill.

You get better prices, but the barrier to entry for buyers is substantially higher than Amazon.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by JohnFen on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:51PM (#21817135)
I don't think that's really true. At least, it's not true in the way that I use eBay -- I never participate in the auctions. If I'm buying something from eBay, I always go with "buy now". If you use it that way, the barrier to entry is no higher than with any other retailer.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by Scoundreller on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:03PM (#21817327)
That’s just one aspect. Then you have to make the internal calculation « do I want from locally today, nearby soon, or from Asia, but in 6 weeks? »

There can also be a sales tax optimization game included. True for Canada anyway.

Then you have a hundred sellers selling near duplicates that may or may not be identical. Do you just buy the cheapest?

Do you buy it slightly cheaper in $AUD from Asia or in your local currency?

I’ve bought bike lights that used 2032s, then the same looking units a year later that had smaller heating aid cells.

Then there’s the lack of reviews, so you gotta détermine quality based on cues. maybe that vendor has sold a thousand units and Ebay links to some feedback for that exact listing.

Vastly differing return policies. And remember: when it comes from Asia and doesn’t work; just say it was lost. When Ebay asks you to return it, it’ll cost you more to ship it back than the whole item cost incl. shipping.

Just what is up with that account that has 3k listings but just 24 feedback?

But it’s definitely cheaper if you can manage all that.

A lot is product category dependent.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by JohnFen on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:05PM (#21817349)
Well, I always search for items that are physically as close to me as possible, and I'm not looking for the cheapest price for anything. If I'm buying from eBay, it's because I couldn't find the item anywhere else (except Amazon, which I only use if eBay doesn't have it).

The lack of reviews doesn't bother me at all, as my experience is that reviews are worthless anyway.

So, I guess it entirely depends on how you're using eBay and what your goals are.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by Scoundreller on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:09PM (#21817395)
When I want to pay the lowest amount humanly possible: Ebay (or maybe even Aliexpress).

When I need it tomorrow: Amazon.

At least in Canada, there isn’t much in-between on the massive marketplaces.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by tedunangst on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @06:17PM (#21820059)
That seems like a fair number of caveats to be "same as any other retailer".
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by djsumdog on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:20PM (#21816719)
You realize Amazon went their route because of inspiration from eBay? There's a good ReplyAll podcast about that.

All the big mega-sites (NewEgg, Amazon, eBay, Reverb, Etsy) are really just sites for tons of marketplaces.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by RandomTisk on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:50PM (#21817125)
I bought a new AOC monitor from Amazon, sold by Amazon.com Services, Inc last year. When it got here, It was obvious it had been an open box item. The stand was wrapped in the worst, most unprofessional packing I've ever seen. It wasn't even in a plastic bag, but rather the plastic bag was wrapped around it with twisted, old, previously-used tape was used to bind it back up. Whoever repackaged it didn't even bother using new tape, even though the old tape was all twisted and nearly worthless. I ended up not liking the monitor and shipped it back.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by agumonkey on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:46PM (#21816237)
I'm quite hurt by the recent pattern.

Disruption, freedom, ala internet diverts energy away from good old solutions.. for a while, until it spoils itself under its own flood. By the time we realize, old businesses have suffered tremendously.

Stress is good for health, but too much too fast is called a disease.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by simias on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:54PM (#21816338)
Online commerce is a genuine improvement over "good old solutions" IMO, and Amazon used to be great at it. It's not like Uber or other startups who struggle to be profitable while effectively achieving popularity mostly by selling at a loss to kill the competition. Amazon clearly has a working business model that offers value over the brick-and-mortar shops of yore.

Amazon is hurting itself on purpose here, because of greed, not because their model is fundamentally flawed.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by agumonkey on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:05PM (#21816491)
I don't think the differences between Uber and Amazon are that large. Lack of regulation, constant growth. Sure Uber was toxically funded from the get go, but amazon now being a near monopoly enjoys letting the system roll without caring anymore.

Anyway, lesson learned.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:37PM (#21816967)
There are regulations, trademark law for one, the question is why don't enforcement teams act?

In the UK Trademark enforcement seems to be something only large companies get action on against very smalltime operators.

So, presumably it serves government aims not to enforce the laws, in this respect, that help citizens.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by JohnFen on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:47PM (#21817085)
My solution may or may not work for you, but here's what I do. I work down this list, in this order, until I find one that will sell me what I need:

1) A local, physical store.

2) Directly from the manufacturer's website.

3) An online retailer that I have found trustworthy and reliable in the past.

4) eBay

5) Amazon, if I'm desperate enough.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by zo1 on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @03:06AM (#21822837)
I think "local" stores are massively shooting themselves in the foot here immensely. Half the reason most people order online is due to price. So perhaps the "local" stores should be advertising their products online so people can see the price and make the call to just go there.

But no... They hide the price because they want me to come in so a salesman can dazzle, confuse and up sell me to buy something else.

To be fair, they also don't want to put their prices online because it means they'd have to compete with other physical retailers on price instead of relying on rash purchases by buyers that are driven by time and location constraints.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by JohnFen on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @03:56PM (#21829352)
I agree, but some get this right.

My favorite local supermarket, for instance, makes their current inventory and prices available for download (in spreadsheet form, but still...) -- and they even tell you which aisle has which products.

I'm finding more and more local businesses have similar data on their websites. I expect this trend to continue.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by zo1 on Thursday December 19, 2019 @08:32AM (#21834700)
That's pretty neat! Could you send me a link, I'm curious to see it?
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by aaazunhpy on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:59PM (#21816416)
Another side effect is that the signal to noise of product reviews on the internet have gone way down. It feels like you can only find glowing reviews of any product when you do a search. Youtubers, blog operators, etc are all incentivized to say a product is great and link to amazon with their affiliate code.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by downvoted on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @03:34PM (#21818483)
After all, how can you read a review on something if you're not going to use it? Which seems like a pretty big impact on the efficiency of the entire market.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by ethbro on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:27PM (#21816804)
The irony is... you know what Amazon's still amazing for?

Books.

They should spin off the retail company and keep books + AWS.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by SignalsFromBob on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @04:57PM (#21819377)
They aren't that great for books anymore, either. They've starting shipping books in a padded envelope that don't do much to protect the book. I've ordered a number of books that have arrived all beat up. Not a big deal for a cheap novel that I'm going to read and then give away, or a school textbook that I don't care about beyond the class.

However, the last book I ordered from them was Python in a Nutshell about a year ago. It's an expensive book, so I was less willing to tolerate damage to a $50 book that I want to keep and use a lot. I had to return it twice to get one that wasn't beat all to hell. And even then I feel like I settled for something not in as good condition as I expected.

Amazon used to put books between two pieces of cardboard, shrinkwrap it, then put it in a box with padding. Books always arrived in good condition. Books in the padded envelope always arrive with crushed corners, and sometimes damage to the cover.

Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by MatthewWilkes on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:34PM (#21816910)
The same problem exists for books. Look at No Starch Press as an example: https://twitter.com/billpollock/status/1183094406573748225?s...
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by Jamwinner on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @09:24PM (#21821192)
If they could manage to ship them. I returned 5 in a row wanting an undamaged coffe table book, i was forced to give up. I have books from the 1700s in better shape than what regularly arrives from amazon.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by shiftpgdn on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @09:11PM (#21821121)
Last book I got from Amazon was either a counterfeit or done on some sort of ultra low quality press. The paper was like cheap printer paper and the binding was falling apart. The printing was crooked too.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by shaneprrlt on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:36PM (#21816943)
Most retailers have in-store pickup these days. I find myself hardly ever buying from Amazon anyways (unless can't get at a store within 10mi radius) because I'm too impatient haha.
Re:You might literally be buying trash on Amazon by takeda on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:32PM (#21816888)
This is not a great alternative, but given how bad Amazon is to their employees, Walmart is also generally quick with their shipments.