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Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by Bombthecat on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:18AM (#21542946)
Forbidden in germany. There is literally a law, which basically says: everyone needs to have and is allowed to have a banking account.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by egeozcan on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:39AM (#21543030)
I'm living in Germany, the bank account of my neighbor in Commerzbank was closed because he wrote "hooker money" in description when sending money to one of his friends. At least that's what we believe because they refused to explain why. He could easily open another account in Volksbank and according to him, when the new account manager asked and learned why his previous account was closed, they had a pretty good laugh.

I used to get "funny" too when sending money through PayPal to friends, never again.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by alias_neo on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:14AM (#21543172)
I've been with my bank for 15+ years. One time I sent a payment of several hundred £s to a friend who's paid my share of a holiday when booking.

In the description I put "fun times". I had a call from my bank asking me to explain the payment the next day. I've never been called before nor since that.

It certainly feels like they're a bit touchy about certain references.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by MisterTea on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:10AM (#21544184)
> In the description I put "fun times".

I recently started using Venmo to pay a few people and the things I have wrote are awful. Recent examples include: "Human organ trafficking" "Lunch and murder for hire", "sack of shrunken heads" and so on. Let them call me.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by cpursley on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:32AM (#21544293)
I put "Crimea" in a venmo transfer to my own wife and they will no longer allow me to transfer funds to her.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by yosito on Saturday November 16, 2019 @05:12PM (#21555293)
I'm American. I went on a trip to Cuba for a free software conference, and someone from the conference borrowed a few Cuban Pesos from me to get some food before going to the airport. Later he sent me USD on Venmo for "Cuban cash transfer" and they threatened to close his account, but he managed to convince them that he was sending me money for lunch at a Cuban restaurant in the US. Ever since then, I'm cautious about descriptions when I Venmo people money.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by pretendscholar on Saturday November 16, 2019 @11:28AM (#21553412)
For some real fun start quoting koranic poetry and start listing random sites in yemen and pakistan.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by maxwell on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:22AM (#21544242)
Get ready for your account to be closed suddenly without warning over the next few years.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by Haga on Friday November 15, 2019 @11:36AM (#21546255)
Never forget.. It's not personal. It's just a process who wants to shed potential liability by applying pressure on individuals involved. Wouldn't be necessary if we had banking secrecy.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by jstarfish on Friday November 15, 2019 @12:39PM (#21546864)
Vice did a writeup where a reporter did this just to see what happened and it ended with the associated funds effectively seized.

Maybe they've gotten more permissive but don't do this with money you can't afford to lose.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by wyclif on Sunday November 17, 2019 @12:57AM (#21556746)
I'm an American and so I totally get what you're saying and in principle you're absolutely right, but that's not the way I roll anymore.

I want to be as under the radar as I can be when it comes to stuff like this. My attitude is that the bank already knows too much about me, why give them more rope?

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by raxxorrax on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:40AM (#21543286)
At that moment you should have made it clear that it isn't his business at all to disincenitivise future bad behavior. Even as a lazy person I probably would have switched banks.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by nothrabannosir on Friday November 15, 2019 @06:37AM (#21544054)
It is; the UK has very strict KYC laws and any institution handling money is quickly on the hook for certain misdeeds by their customers. They need to show diligence in monitoring that activity.

> You must meet certain day-to-day responsibilities if your business is covered by the Money Laundering Regulations. These include carrying out ‘customer due diligence’ measures to check that your customers are who they say they are, and risk assessing your business.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/money-laundering-regulations-you...

(That entire page, like the rest of gov.uk, is comprehensive and very accessible to read for a layman. If you have any passing interest in the area I recommend giving it a skim.)

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by alias_neo on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:45AM (#21543314)
In hindsight, I probably should have switched banks, but ~~15+ years ago~~ I was young enough that it mattered very little to my sense of principle.

They've otherwise been quite reliable since so jumping ship now would almost be asking for trouble.

Edit: It wasnt 15 years ago this happened, it was perhaps a decade. I'd already been a customer for some time.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by merpnderp on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:31AM (#21544583)
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by ksaj on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:46PM (#21549109)
> It certainly feels like they're a bit touchy about certain references.

I'd say they quite overstepped the boundaries. What are fun times to you and the recipient is certainly not their business. Why would they even waste time reading the RE line if they aren't doing your accounting for you at the same time?

There is even a party rental company named Fun Times. Would they interrogate every cheque written to/from them?

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by alias_neo on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:51PM (#21549543)
I'm really not sure. Perhaps it was flagged as unusual and they looked, saw the reference and then questioned it?
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by bloogsy on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:00AM (#21543652)
It could also be that they're worried about money laundering, or there's someone a little bit keen behind the scenes.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by pgeorgi on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:57AM (#21543369)
The law in question was established in 2016 and it calls for a special type of bank account ("Basiskonto") to be made available to all[0]. So the story could predate the law or (which is quite likely) the account might be a regular account, not the fallback.

[0] Conditions apply: A bank isn't forced to do business with somebody who defrauded them in the last 3 years, for example. But the decision must be made timely (10 days), it must be explained and there's a well-defined path to legal review. Details at https://www.bafin.de/DE/Verbraucher/Bank/Produkte/Basiskonto...

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by pepesza on Friday November 15, 2019 @09:13AM (#21544903)
Don't give them any info. Write something along the lines of "transfer of money", always. Use separate channel to communicate "why". Every bit of information you give them will be used against you.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by sjoebergco on Friday November 15, 2019 @09:56AM (#21545272)
Traditional banking customers are still just a policy change away from a locked account tho. Hard to avoid with current systems.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by black_puppydog on Friday November 15, 2019 @09:43AM (#21545155)
including suspicious non-disclosure of the actual "why"...
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by pluma on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:43AM (#21543835)
Generally the advice in Germany is not to use "funny" descriptions, but not because the bank might have no sense of humor but because the tax agency might take it literally.

If your friend sends you money "for sexual favors", that might be considered taxable income and you'll find yourself having some explaining to do.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by toyg on Friday November 15, 2019 @06:08AM (#21543936)
Not just tax authorities, but (more importantly) police ones.

The laws around things like sex work or drug consumptions, in most countries, are full of grey areas and willfully-contradictory positions (e.g. one can buy but the other can't sell, etc). So as soon as a transaction is categorised as part of a "problematic" economy, then police can get involved. If your bank lets through "hooker money" unchallenged, the police can eventually accuse the bank of facilitating activities which might be, at some level, criminal.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by pdpi on Friday November 15, 2019 @06:23AM (#21544000)
> willfully-contradictory positions (e.g. one can buy but the other can't sell, etc).

This seems weird, but is actually a perfectly reasonable legal regime that's all about power dynamics and enabling the authorities to approach people. Drug users and prostitutes are in much more vulnerable positions than drug dealers and johns respectively.

If you make selling drugs a crime, but not buying/owning those same drugs, now the police can approach addicts much more easily, and get them help (this is the much-lauded Portuguese model).

The same logic applies in reverse to prostitution: if selling sexual favours is legal, but buying is illegal, prostitutes are enabled to report abusive johns to the police, and authorities can approach them much more easily to try and get them off that life too.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by toyg on Friday November 15, 2019 @10:40AM (#21545692)
This is the rationalisation of a legal kludge that is only necessary to assuage consciences that the state has not become "immoral".

The facts on the ground are that, dissuasion or not, these economies will never go away ("oldest profession", after all). Full legalisation would allow for complete oversight of such murky sectors, which would ensure everyone's safety better than the current arrangements, at all levels. For example, in many countries there is no way for prostitutes to legally ensure their own security, because any sort of professional relationship with a sex-worker is illegal (even if the business itself is not); at that point, whether they have recourse post-abuse or not, is basically irrelevant.

The legal situation around cannabis and prostitution is just a shitshow in most places, driven as it is by outdated sensibilities which have ossified through short-term political calculation. There is no point trying to find in it a logic that is simply not there.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by pdpi on Friday November 15, 2019 @11:19AM (#21546074)
I agree that prostitution should be legalised and regulated to make it safer for everybody involved (because I too don't think it'll ever go away). Cannabis? Probably — I don't know that it's that much worse than tobacco.

Full-on legalisation is not universally desirable, though — there's always heroine, cocaine, crack, meth... — and the asymmetric legality thing is still a very useful tool in those circumstances.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by Zak on Friday November 15, 2019 @12:47PM (#21546928)
I would argue, from a pure cost-benefit perspective that full legalization of drugs is desirable unless someone has another credible plan for eliminating the black market without unacceptable consequences (e.g. a police state).
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by ClumsyPilot on Saturday November 16, 2019 @07:31PM (#21555821)
What's needed is evidence based approach, where wt draw a line at alcohol and all drugs less lethal/ addictive/ harmful (take your pick) are legalised.

There are some truly horrible substances, but with current approach heroin and weed are sold by the same guy.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by takeda on Sunday November 17, 2019 @01:19AM (#21556789)
The thing is that if it was really a payment for an illegal activity, who actually would write the truth in the description?
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by pluma on Sunday November 17, 2019 @08:06PM (#21561166)
Prostitution is legal in Germany but it is regulated and money made from it is taxable income.

Also famously you do have to pay taxes on illegal income, otherwise the income is both illegal and tax fraud.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by anilakar on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:42AM (#21543830)
Banks in EU are forced to monitor their customers' transactions. I think it's one of the ways to comply with anti-laundering and anti-gray market laws.

Last year there was a news article about someone getting a phone call from the bank because the description in a money transfer contained the substring "ISIL".

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by jotm on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:56AM (#21543367)
But even paying a hooker would be legal in Germany?
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by blkhawk on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:03AM (#21543399)
yes, why wouldn't it be?
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by jotm on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:06AM (#21543420)
So that couldn't have been the reason for account closure, I meant :)
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by mtrovo on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:27AM (#21543514)
Don’t know if it’s only in Germany but banks here don’t need to give you any reason to close your account. There are some stories of how every time they tweak N26 Risk ML there’s a wave of termination letters to customers that didn’t do anything wrong. A bunch of friends got affected by this a while a go, they didn’t do anything wrong and the bank refused to give any reason at all for the termination.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by salawat on Friday November 15, 2019 @12:20PM (#21546662)
This is actually a consequence of what neural network based ML actually does.

Machine learning is actually a misnomer. A more accurate term is function interpolation.

Let's say I have a training set of 5000 samples.

When I kick off the training process, I'm basically telling the NN run until it simulates a function that yields the desired response in those 5000 cases.

The rub of course, is that programs aren't only defined by what they do (yielding the appropriate response for the the training cases) but also by what they don't do (excessive false positive/negative generation outside the training dataset). Performing correctly on the training, but messing up on more general tasks (the human equivalent being becoming an excellent test taker, but a lousy practitioner) is called overfishing. A more broad subclass of overfishing that van occur would be undesired/discriminatory/illegal optimizations, such as using combinations of protected classes as a significant data point in coming to a determination.

There is no guarantee for any particular training session that you'll arrive at the same weights, or that that set of weights will cover the same set of things that the previous network did. I.e. Your network can make mistakes (just like a person).

The irony in all of this, is you're basically training a machine to simulate a human doing a task in reliability/consistency (admittedly without the constraints of interacting with the world through a human body) with all the volatility between training that just being a human from day to day introduces.

I'm honestly beginning to wonder if the push for machine learning adoption isn't anything more than the market trying to replace people with models that they don't have to pay benefits for, and onto which they can pass blame trivially because, "Of course we didn't make it to discriminate! There's no way we could have known it would do that ahead of time!"

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by Crinus on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:14AM (#21544200)
Does closing your account also mean you lose your money or they give it to you somehow?
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by r3drock on Saturday November 16, 2019 @09:11PM (#21556137)
They must give it to you.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by petre on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:04AM (#21543137)
The financial industry has no sense of humor.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by noobermin on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:27AM (#21542978)
Which further highlights how many "problems" that tech people in the US have tried to solve (transit->uber, various health care start-ups, etc) are essentially due to the failure of the US state to function properly or even focus on the right thing.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by mola on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:55AM (#21543356)
Yup, it seems US citizens pay crazy amount of hidden tax because of inefficiencies caused by fanatical anti government propaganda. This isn't only about freedom it's about keeping power in certain hands.

Too bad it's being exported everywhere

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by VvR-Ox on Friday November 15, 2019 @06:45AM (#21544091)
+1 for this. When working in Germany I talked to citizens who told me their state is also heading that direction.

More things are denationalized so private companies now have the responsibility but also the revenue (like "Autobahn" or some time ago the post).

When I understand it correctly those where initially financed by public money so it seems like this investment is now being absorbed by the companies overtaking the business.

Accordingly there are strong voices who demand less control of the economy by the government.

I think they had a good system running (look at the numbers) and now they destroy that by adopting the ideas of the US-system.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by Arubis on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:45AM (#21544679)
The flippant-yet-accurate description I've heard of this is "socialized losses, privatized profits".
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by hedora on Friday November 15, 2019 @10:37AM (#21545669)
I’ve heard, “public risk, private profits”.

That ends up including things like utilities, but also most of the US automotive industry, banks, etc. (It also requires the listener to have an understanding of expected value, and other basic statistics.)

“socialized losses, private profits” seems to include any government spending that benefits society, such as public ownership and funding of roads, but private shipping companies (and all the industries that rely on them) profiting from their existence.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by merpnderp on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:23AM (#21544529)
Obama was the direct opposite of fantastically anti government and this deplatforming peaked under him.

This isn’t about anti government sentiment, it’s about pro abuse of government sentiment to use the force of law to push your morality on others.

At least unless you weirdly classify Obama as anti government.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Choke_Point

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by hedora on Friday November 15, 2019 @10:45AM (#21545738)
Read up on corporatism. It describes the overlap of moderate Democratic and moderate Republican ideology pretty well.

It is a shortening of “corporate fascism”, and is the idea that the government exists to protect the economy, which is best done by strengthening existing power structures that power the current economic system.

Therefore the government should defer to corporations whenever possible.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by takeda on Sunday November 17, 2019 @01:51AM (#21556857)
It's also showing up in presidential campaign. Biden is known corporate Democrat. He is still leading in the polls, but losing it. The recent Ukraine revelations also didn't help and looks like Warren is taking over. Out of nowhere 3 new "moderate" candidates appeared, and also Harris got a large donation.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by humanrebar on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:40AM (#21544310)
> ...fanatical anti government propaganda.

Jim Crow, Watergate, Catholic priest abuse scandals, regulatory failure in 2008, too big to fail, gerrymandering, police involved shootings, Hurricane Katrina flooding, Keystone Pipeline leaks, ...

And, yes, it happens in local markets too: taxi medallion systems, overzealous zoning, local corruption, running Amazon out of Queens, and so on.

We could call skepticism fanatical, but that dismisses some pretty substantive history and current events regarding government corruption and incompetence.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by justinclift on Friday November 15, 2019 @09:18AM (#21544948)
Maybe it's time for an update to Hanlon's razor? ;)

  Never attribute to incompetence that which can be adequately explained by corruption.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by hedora on Friday November 15, 2019 @10:49AM (#21545774)
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

-Upton Sinclair

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by justinclift on Friday November 15, 2019 @01:29PM (#21547360)
Yeah, similar. ;)
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by pluma on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:37AM (#21543810)
Just like how most public healthcare proposals in the US while technically raising taxes would end up leaving the individual with a much lower financial burden because of the ridiculous amounts of money Americans pay for healthcare and medication.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by merpnderp on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:25AM (#21544538)
This belief that the US is capable of implementing a socialized system in an affordable manner seems kind of fanaticism given the incredible amount of evidence to the contrary.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by salawat on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:42PM (#21548045)
Keep in mind the United States only fails so spectacularly at socialized system implementation because the power of the socialized service to negotiate is defanged to prop up the excesses of the private sector.

Let the government flex its muscles without artificial constraint, and watch how fast the market has to rein itself in to remain competitive.

The reason Medicare is loathed, is because Medicare has a mandate to not excessively spend, and it's pricing is actually determined by people with the public interest in mind first and foremost, as well as having its pricing accessible as a matter of public record instead of being hidden away in a locked filing cabinet somewhere.

The combination of those two factors are a powerful tool for shaping an industry away from "make as much money as possible while providing a service" to "provide as much service as possible while the money holds out".

It is a subtle, yet important difference.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by tptacek on Saturday November 16, 2019 @12:28AM (#21551181)
Medicare is loathed? That's news to me.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by salawat on Sunday November 17, 2019 @08:47AM (#21557886)
Sorry, I should have further qualified. It is loathed by the Medical Industrial Complex because they actually have the oomph to buy things at basically cost + a modest markup.

Unlike with insurers where price gouging becomes viable.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by wyclif on Sunday November 17, 2019 @01:08AM (#21556764)
Even Vox has said so. Anecdotal, but lot of people in the USA across the political spectrum seem to agree if you search around in the news: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/29/8910387/me...
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by vkou on Friday November 15, 2019 @10:55AM (#21545823)
Whereas the belief that the US is capable of implementing a non-socialized system in an affordable manner is so hilariously contrary to the evidence, that it makes faith in Santa Claus seem well-grounded.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by hoseja on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:48AM (#21543609)
I suspect there's also a healthy dose of not less fanatical social Darwinism thrown in there.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:18AM (#21544498)
Another way to put that is that tech people, being tech people, try to solve fundamentally political or social problems by throwing technology at them. And so far it pretty much never works out, unsurprisingly, since it turns out not all problems can be solved with a website.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by ClumsyPilot on Saturday November 16, 2019 @07:34PM (#21555829)
Other way of putting it: tech people do their job.

I mean, if an engineer is assigned to a project, what else is he/she meant to do?

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by tripzilch on Friday November 15, 2019 @09:14AM (#21544916)
The failure of these people to fix their state, you mean. Instead choosing for the easier and more profitable option of going into tech and the road paved with good intentions.

You can build gigantic multinational corporations, disrupt all kinds of industries, change significant parts of people's lives with tech all written with code and rules and regulations but somehow making a well-functioning country is too hard, even when there's well-working smaller prototypes available to learn from.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by jhrmnn on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:23AM (#21542963)
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by hsailor on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:47AM (#21543317)
A jedermann Konto or Basiskonto refers only to a personal account. If a client uses this account for commercial activities (eg receiving payments in the said industry), the bank has every right to close the account.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by yati on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:16AM (#21543465)
So I can't use my personal account to receive salaries? Does the bank have to know/care about the details my profession?
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by ptaipale on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:40AM (#21543576)
Depends on what your "salary" is. In the EU, the banks are obligated to find out where you get your money. And they have an obligation to close your account if they don't get satisfactory answers. "Know your customer".

My bank has recently started to ask customers to clarify transfers, and even shoot and send some video of themselves, smiling, and explaining things. I haven't got that myself yet but several colleagues have. I'm thinking I should change banks, but am unsure if any other bank is any better, because this is the result of government regulation.

The EU laws to fight money laundering are in conflict with national laws for privacy. And because laws for money laundering impact tax revenue, they will triumph over privacy.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by TheOtherHobbes on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:17AM (#21543737)
My business got a KYC letter last year. So far I've ignored it. They haven't shut the account yet.

These things are usually treated as box ticking exercises, not as fervent investigative due diligence.

I would guess money laundering happens elsewhere.

For as little as $1m you can set up or buy a bank of your own. For $10m or more you can buy a regulated operating bank with employees and deposits.

The process is more complicated than plain old incorporation, but I would guess it won't be unduly troubling to people with a lot of spare cash at hand.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by ptaipale on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:38AM (#21544620)
I suppose you can ignore the letters, if having your bank account suspended for some weeks doesn't cause major business risks to you. The downside with box ticking exercises is that eventually, someone may calculate the ticks, and his/her guidelines will say that this account belongs to a risky category.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by Ralfp on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:47AM (#21543600)
In EU there is an anti-money laundering directive, but it’s mostly up to member countries how they’ll implement it.

As usual some countries implemented it reasonably while others didn’t.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by ptaipale on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:01AM (#21543659)
The regulation is rather new, and at least Scandinavian banks seem to be hyper sensitive to be on the safe side from the money laundering risk point of view. In part this is due to the allegations and campaigns against Nordea and the actual laundering scandal at Swedbank. The privacy of customers (against having to provide personal information to the bank) is secondary.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by rusk on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:52AM (#21543624)
There are new stricter rules coming in 2020, which is, some theorise, a major motivation behind brexit ...
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by krageon on Friday November 15, 2019 @06:23AM (#21543998)
Your bank doesn't need to be so invasive, so if they are you need to switch. There is no EU directive that tells them to clarify things using some sort of weird video proof.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by ptaipale on Friday November 15, 2019 @06:25AM (#21544012)
But that may still be the easiest of ways required by the financial authority - which comes up with its own rules, the EU rules only being the minimum of what regulators in each country must implement. Often regulators want to be stricter, in order appear as "good tax collectors" and to avoid being targeted by social media campaigns etc.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by GoblinSlayer on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:51AM (#21543620)
This is what puzzles me. Why they need an explanation how money flows in their own system? Don't they see all transfers?
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by ptaipale on Friday November 15, 2019 @06:23AM (#21544002)
They may see who is the sender of transfer, but that in itself is not a sufficient explanation for where the funds actually come and whether they are legitimate.

Series of transfers are a basic step in money laundering processes, so from that point of view the need for clarification of each step is understandable.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by kmlx on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:48AM (#21543610)
yes. they will close your account if you receive money from dubious activities (sex and drugs usually).

they will also close your account if you can't prove where the money is from.

i had this issue myself in europe. a friend paid me back a hefty sum. my friend had issues proving where he got the money from. my account was swiftly closed.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by oAlbe on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:37AM (#21543804)
What happens when an account is closed? Do they send you a check with the remainder of the money on the account, or do you lose everything?
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by kmlx on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @07:53AM (#21637812)
you lose everything.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by odiroot on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:59AM (#21544782)
You can if you're employed by another entity. You cannot use the same account to run a business.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by merb on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:07AM (#21543691)
btw. that's not technically the truth since you can open a Basiskonto as a company.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by weinzierl on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:32AM (#21542996)
This is true and from what I understand it is available to any EU citizen. The technical term is "Jedermann-Konto" which means "account for everyone". The German Wikipedia article has a lot to say about this topic[1] but unfortunately I didn't find any information in English on it.

[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedermann-Konto

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by pgeorgi on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:13AM (#21544459)
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by Random_ernest on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:19AM (#21543744)
I know several people that had their account closed in germany for perfectly legal things. The Bank calls it: Geschäftsschädigendes Verhalten.

Stuff like gambling (which is legal in germany),or being iranian (which I suppose is legal too)

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by craydandy on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:55AM (#21543094)
Might be EU-thing, as the same applies to Finland. Banks also must provide basic payment card, and online banking for everyone.

https://www.finanssivalvonta.fi/en/Consumer-protection/quest...

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by odiroot on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:57AM (#21544773)
In Sparkassen. Deutsche Bank, Commerzbank, DKB, etc can easily reject you.