There is a potential for human mono-culture just like in agriculture.

The stuff that's scary is not that there is universally accessible genetic improvements.

The fear is that these improves are not universally accessible.

Demanding perfection or nothing is perhaps only an ideal approach in scenarios where nothing is, in fact, an acceptable answer. In a world where Tay-Sachs exists, I think that would be an ethically abominable outcome.

In medicine we already see this where companies continually make new drugs that aren't always much better than the old one, but is 'better enough' that their salespeople convince doctors to use that one instead of the old one that has a generic.

What could we do to ensure that from day 1 this is universally accessible? This is VERY dangerous territory, we are talking about potentially bifurcating the human race here.

I understand if some take a different perspective on the matter.

But the whole debate around genetic engineering is that it isn't marginally better. The fear is that it is so supremely powerful it will dwarf all other interventions.

And I don't think ladder kicking is particularly true. Once education was only for the elite. But we have seen it get more and more popular, to the point it's about as universal as possible now.

Today's genetically improved babies could be sub-optimal by the time they hit kindergarten and just plain old obsolete before they go into high school. And the bad news is, I could see the rate of improvement increasing over time. So that material improvements are being made year to year.

Doesn't bode well for when you're going to look for a job at 29 and you have to compete with 28 year olds. Even worse if you're 29 and you have to compete with 25 year olds. And heaven help you if you're 29 and you have to compete with a 20 year old.

Someone of mediocre intelligence is not harmed by being in a society of people much smarter than him. On the contrary - he benefits greatly because smarter societies are safer, fairer, and take care of citizens (including the dumb ones).

This is revealed by real-life preferences: People from low IQ countries consistently try very hard to migrate to societies of smarter people. People from low IQ regions try to get into neighborhoods and schools of higher IQ people.

It's like complaining that Einstein existed because my grandpa didn't get to invent relativity. Well, my grandpa was never going to invent relativity. The fact that Einstein existed just means that the rest of us now get to enjoy the positive externalities created by his ability.

It's true that if everyone else is smarter, your relative social status would be lower. But this isn't an argument that scales up, since relative social status is in fixed total supply anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence

Or am I making a mistake by trying to apply logic here?

Mother Nature has no logic. Or rather, if she has logic, it's the logic of simple chromosomal propagation on galactic timescales. She just keeps propagating different combinations and permutations of genes blindly. Then, for instance, if some cataclysmic environmental change happens she ruthlessly culls all of the gene combos that are not able to survive the new environmental reality. Or it could be a new predator. Or a new asteroid strike. Or a new bacteria. Or what have you.

Point is, in the case of our species, she doesn't make people "dumber", or "smarter", or "faster", or "stronger", or "slower", or "darker". She just blindly makes people. Of as many kinds as she possibly can. So that when the change roulette wheel spins, she's already laid bets on every number on the table, black and red alike. Thus giving her the best chance at a win. If I believed in this sort of thing, I might say that Father Time has taught Mother Nature that the shotgun approach is the best survival bet she can make. (And he probably taught that lesson the hard way.)

Contrast that blind propagation strategy against what we would be doing, which is laying odds on certain, but not all, numbers on the hypothetical roulette table. You can kind of see why people might question the wisdom of such a targeted strategy.

> - Kindergarten enrollment

> Every single factor listed above is demonstrably correlated with lifetime intelligence

I thought that pre-k and kindergarten programs (along with essentially all education) were not correlated with IQ when measured later in life? Part of how most "shared environment" influences decrease as people age. (The two remaining factors would be "nonshared environment" and "genetics", each at ~50%)

There is a correlation between "years spent in school" and IQ, but that's typically thought to go the other way. (Higher IQ causing more years in college - grad school, PHD programs, etc)

EDIT: I should add that there are still correlations that go the other way - more intelligent, wealthier parents are more likely to enroll their kids in pre-k programs and/or kindergarten, and are also more likely to have more intelligent, wealthier children. But intervention tests - where entire regions are enrolled in preschool, for instance - don't show the improvement you'd expect.

HAH. Not even close, and not never, probably. That's what people are concerned about.

The government should just step in and make this available to everyone that wants it. It would lead to a rapid improvement in the quality of its populace.

For once, these items are not eugenics, and people try to provide their kids with what's best for them.

You can deplore that it's easier for rich parents than for poorer ones, and we should try to improve it; but it's really different from selecting genetics traits before implanting an embryo.

"The twist would be to decide, on the basis of their dna, which of a group of available embryos should be implanted and brought to term."

In this case you are deciding which group of cells to implant. In your examples you are effecting a specific person. Not choosing them out of a group and discarding the others.

Personally I don't know. But your comparison isn't fair.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/11/13/preschool-much-more-th...

... which hardly seems cost-effective.