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Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by AgloeDreams on Monday October 28, 2019 @01:29PM (#21379260)
Meanwhile try one, then try an older Apple watch, the Fitbit is straight up trash (with nicer battery life.) Fitbit UX is bad, and requires tons of interaction between the phone and watch and is remarkably hard to use, even switching watch faces requires digging multiple screens into the fitbit app and a 30+ second sync period, on the Apple watch this is known as 'swiping right' or at worst, holding down and tapping 'add new'.

The Pebble was worlds better at this, when I used the Versa I was surprised by it. It sells tons even though Wear OS is way ahead.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by fragmede on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:11PM (#21381725)
> with nicer battery life

Don't discount this feature on a fitness tracker. The most recent Apple Watches are better in this respect compared to the first one, but the battery life is still measured in hours, rather than days.

The UX for a Fitbit as a smartwatch is honestly horrible. The Pebble acquihire prioritized watch apps, in (what I see as) a belief that watch apps are necessary to compete with Apple. Resources would be far better spend improving the first-party UX and apps first, before opening up the ecosystem to outside developers. The iPhone dev kit trailed far behind the initial iPhone launch.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by AgloeDreams on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @09:26AM (#21386819)
Oh I totally agree, but Apple's advertised battery life is to ensure CSAT and does not reflect reality.

Fact of the matter is that my Series 4 watch has about 2 and a half to three days of battery life, rather than the marketed 16 hours, especially when used like a fitbit (Apple's estimate bundles in music streaming, navigation, and hardcore workouts, and is tested on the smaller model, which has a smaller battery.)

I was a huge pebble fan, I still use my Pebble 2 and Time Round sometimes, the Apple watch is in another league as per what it can do, but I honestly think the Pebbles were still a better product than Fitbit's watch at doing what fitbit is trying to do. Sure the Fitbit has a nicer screen, but what do they do with it?

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by scarface74 on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:53PM (#21382125)
Resources would be far better spend improving the first-party UX and apps first, before opening up the ecosystem to outside developers.

The same could have been (rightfully) said about the Apple Watch....

The iPhone dev kit trailed far behind the initial iPhone launch.

The iPhone launched July 2007. The dev kit was released in April 2008. The App store launched around July 2008

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by Denzel on Monday October 28, 2019 @07:55PM (#21383044)
Exactly this. I’ve grown tired of Fitbit’s lack of cohesive bug-free products — simple things like adjusting the volume of Bluetooth headphones were known bugs for years without progress — and I had to make a choice between jumping off the bandwagon or sticking with Fitbit.

Battery life kept me. Being able to go 4-7 days without thinking about the watch is paramount. I also don’t want to charge every night because I want to track my sleep! So Fitbit won out.

I wish they could succeed independently. They have so much love and stickiness in my friend group and we all love the simplicity of simply an advanced fitness tracker without all the weight of a full-fledged phone on your wrist. Sadly, it seems like they don’t know how to run a company effectively. Which is a shame because I really really don’t want to move to Apple or Google products or anything else in this category until they solve battery life.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by tw04 on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @12:35PM (#21389074)
Just a heads up: you can get literally weeks out of garmin watches, depending on model and usage patterns. Your concern is exactly why I sold my moto360 and never looked back.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by harikb on Monday October 28, 2019 @06:23PM (#21382390)
A watch that needs to be charged once in a few days is actually worse than one that could use a charge every night.

Charge at night is a habit that can easily be adjusted to our daily schedule. btw Apple watch does last a full day (I meant 16+ hrs) with decent use, unless you are playing music out of it all the time or obsessively checking time/calendar.

Only advantage of fitbit is that some models are easier to wear to sleep, particularly if you don't need to charge at night. However, even here, apple one is way ahead - the theater mode will make sure the super bright led at the bottom won't wake you up.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by mcv on Monday October 28, 2019 @07:23PM (#21382859)
No, charge every night would be way worse. My wife uses her Fitbit to track her sleep, and it does this very well (much better than her previous smartwatch). She also tracks how much she walks during the day. A smartwatch that has to be charged every day would be useless to her.

I have no idea about the UI that some people complain about, but my wife seems to have managed to get access quite a bit of functionality in her Fitbit, so I'd say it's good enough for its purpose.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by Retric on Monday October 28, 2019 @08:20PM (#21383182)
I recommend using a separate sleep tracker. I was using the Fitbit constantly and got some skin irritation when I forgot to swap wrists before bed. Though, I was using a narrow version which probably made things worse.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by crottypeter on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @06:12AM (#21385530)
I solved the skin irritation issue by buying a third party metal strap (YMMV)
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by mcv on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @06:53AM (#21385702)
My wife has no skin irritation issue at all. (I probably would; I hate watches on my wrist.)
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by amatecha on Monday October 28, 2019 @08:26PM (#21383222)
FWIW my Apple Watch S4 can go a whole weekend on a single charge. I don't use mine extensively, though I do use Apple Pay for every transaction that I can. You can def go 2-2.5 days on a single charge.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by diffeomorphism on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @07:17AM (#21385853)
For comparison, a casio watch goes 3 years on a single charge.

I guess apple pay on a watch is marginally more convenient than taking out your phone, but $400 and having to charge it seems not really worth it?

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by amatecha on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @05:32PM (#21392291)
That's right, a watch that does literally nothing but tell the time lasts a long time on a single battery charge. If having to charge your watch is not worth the benefits/luxuries provided by an expensive smartwatch, a smartwatch might not be for you.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by diffeomorphism on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @02:49AM (#21395186)
> I don't use mine extensively, though I do use Apple Pay for every transaction that I can.

That is why I was asking. The only "benefit/luxury" you mention is apple pay and you say that you are not using it much.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by amatecha on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @08:47PM (#21404636)
To give a quick summary: I look at the upcoming weather, see the times of upcoming meetings, see messages people have sent me, pause/resume/skip tracks on currently-playing music, track hikes or walks, record audio, check my heart rate, check the current time/date, and pay for stuff.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by mcv on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @08:36AM (#21386414)
> "For comparison, a casio watch goes 3 years on a single charge."

A fact that blew my son's mind when I explained why he didn't have to charge his watch.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by joosebox on Monday October 28, 2019 @08:48PM (#21383331)
You obviously don't use it for tracking fitness then.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by amatecha on Monday October 28, 2019 @11:18PM (#21384017)
Yeah man, pretty much - I don't track my activities because they are too irregular, I go on hikes and walks and that's it.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by rb666 on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @04:22AM (#21385079)
Wearing a watch during sleep is annoying and can actually lead to health issues. Get a proper sleep tracker (e.g. Withings) for this. Charging nightly is perfect for a watch, really is a pro for the Apple Watch.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by phire on Monday October 28, 2019 @08:33PM (#21383254)
What I've ended up doing is charging my fitbit for 15min every morning while I get dressed.

It's enough to go from ~60% to ~80% and fits in as a daily habit, so my watch is almost always between 65% and 80%, It can track my sleep (I exclusively use my watch for tracking sleep, tracking exercise, tracking heartrate and telling the time. I don't have notifications enabled)

Then perhaps the best feature of charging the watch in this way, is that if you forget to charge (or unexpectedly away from home), the watch will always last for 3 extra days.

And if you are going away on short weekend trips, you don't need to pack your charger, just make sure it's at 100% before you leave for a reliable 4 days of usage.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by winrid on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @03:00AM (#21384768)
This is what I do too. However if you look at some of Fitbit's competitors the battery life is an order of magnitude better. Wondering what Fitbit is doing to make it drop so much in comparison. Lots of more features?
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by thevagrant on Monday October 28, 2019 @08:07PM (#21383103)
My Garmin only needs to be charged about once a week. If I'm using it a lot for fitness then twice a week. Once I traveled and forgot the charger, I managed to eek nearly two weeks out of the thing. I find this much better than daily charging and have steered away from watches that need to be charged daily.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by saimiam on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @12:05AM (#21384188)
Which Garmin model? I'm in the market for a running watch and/or a fitness tracker and want to buy a decent Garmin. Most online reviews seem all over the place.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by nradov on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @12:15AM (#21384212)
Read reviews on DC Rainmaker. I've purchased several devices based on reviews there. They're very detailed and accurate in my experience.

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/product-reviews/garmin

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by jacobkania on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @04:08AM (#21385020)
I have a Garmin Instinct. When I don't have many workouts, it gives me 2-3 weeks of battery (including instant phone notifications over Bluetooth, constant heart rate, barometer, and step tracking)

I went on a 2 week trip to Europe and didnt even bring my charger -- lasted the whole time. I've had it for a year now and it's rock solid. It's been in the ocean with me, and been smashed into rocks on backpacking trips. Still in great shape.

I don't endorse many things very heavily but this thing is amazing. It's not sexy with it's black and white screen and small selection of watch faces... But it's so nice never needing to charge it, it's basically indestructible, and does everything you'd want a smart watch to do

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by michaelbrooks on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @07:59AM (#21386127)
I haven't charged my Garmin for a good 2 weeks, it's the forerunner 735XT. I honestly think it's the best fitness watch I've had.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by nradov on Monday October 28, 2019 @07:41PM (#21382972)
This is just completely wrong. Garmin watches only need to be charged every few days of normal use and it's not a problem at all. Habits are irrelevant, just throw it on the charger for a few minutes when you see the battery gauge getting low.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by solarkraft on Monday October 28, 2019 @06:34PM (#21382488)
I want a watch that only needs to be charged once in a few days, because I want to wear it at night for it to track my sleep and wake me up and I could charge it while I shower (every 2 days, in case you're wondering).
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by encoderer on Monday October 28, 2019 @06:47PM (#21382590)
My wife does this with her Apple Watch and she only charges it while she’s in the shower and 15 mins or so before bed. It always lasts the full day. I was surprised when I learned this. So it might not be there for you yet. But it’s close.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by sa1 on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @06:39AM (#21385647)
I charge it for half an hour after my morning workout(while taking a shower and getting ready) and for 15 minutes once in the evening I sleep. I track both my sleep and workouts, and keep it wearing throughout the day otherwise.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by onlingyding on Monday October 28, 2019 @06:51PM (#21382615)
While it might not be as 'smart' as some other ones out there. The Nokia/Withings Charge HR has sleep tracking, heart rate tracking, vibrates and does notifications too. The battery easily lasts a month sometimes longer.

It also looks like an actual adults watch too.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by koiz on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @12:15AM (#21384214)
Oh come on, I get a little email about the battery life of of my versa when the battery life gets low reminding me to charge it.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by fluidcruft on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:54PM (#21382135)
Well I've had a Versa for over a year and it's been great. Basically it's a fitbit that also shows notifications from my phone. It has some simple apps that you can use for workouts or some other single-use trivial things.

The configuration part of the fitbit companion app is frustrating. But that's where the UI belongs and where it should be fixed. I have zero interest in a watch that's an even smaller and more frustrating phone UI.

Mostly I like only having to charge my watch every 3-4 days because it's long enough to forget about needing to charge it.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by AgloeDreams on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @09:17AM (#21386748)
The real problem to be seen with the Versa lies in the source of its software being a better example of how to build their product.

I had a Pebble since their first kickstarter and the work Pebble did to make exactly what you are talking about blew Fitbit's current product out of the water (Even though Fitbit bought them and used their tech to make the Ionic and Versa). The Pebbles were faster, lighter, smaller, with better battery life (2+ weeks!) and a fantastic UX (By the same people who worked at Palm on WebOS). Sure they didn't have a touch screen, but they also intentionally had enough buttons to not need one. (Meaning they worked better with gloves)

Then you talk software quality, after using the Versa for a little while, the biggest problem is that its UI is such a mess to use. If you don't want to configure a watch face on the Watch, the Apple watch has that feature too and it is instant and easy to use, just like the Pebble was. Once you use everything else it's really clear that the smart features on the Versa are an afterthought that Fitbit tasked some scrum team to get done and shoved in the app in a week, marked the task as done, and moved on, forgetting that for the casual user, that is the only other thing you want to do with the app.

The other entire problem is that the Apple Watch is complex...but only as complex as you want it to be. If you never click the home button it can do everything you do with your watch with a nicer (bigger) screen, an easier, and a faster UI, and plus it has Siri and much better notification access. Fitbit is stuck between Apple and Garmin and they justy can't pick one. I imagine the Google sale would fix that pretty fast.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by fluidcruft on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @10:03AM (#21387253)
Buying a fitbit is just buying a fitbit like buying a Casio is just buying a Casio. If Apple Watch were some agnostic thing that didn't require dragging an entire ecosystem I don't live in with it, I'd probably consider it. Assuming the battery life didn't suck. As is I'll probably go with Garmin when it's time. Google is the kiss of death and if Fitbit is being shopped to Google then they're dead already.