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Re:The one who kept VLC free by jbk on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:26AM (#21070076)
OK, so, this is me talking.

This is an old interview that resurfaces lately (no idea why), and it was done by a HR company, and they did a lot of cuts. So, it is far from being technically accurate, and some parts are quite weird.

Clearly not for the HN crowd, tbh.

I dislike those kind of interviews, because they focus on one person (people-isation trend that we see also in startups) while VLC was done by a collective. It is sure that I'm the person that spent the most time on VLC and other VideoLAN projects than anyone else, but the work is a collective one.

Yes, it is true that I refused a ton of money to either sell the trademark and domain-name, or to include adware/spyware in the Windows installer.

(inb4 mpv, mpc-hc, potplayer is better...)

Re:The one who kept VLC free by bbx on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:37AM (#21070150)
First of all, merci pour tout ce que t'as fait.

I think people will understand, if they read the article, that VLC is not a one-person project. You make it pretty clear in the interview.

VLC is one of the biggest open source projects _ever_. For it to maintain its quality over 18 years(!), it needs a leader with a vision and integrity. If it wasn't for an interview like this, people wouldn't know about the collective work that's happening behind the scenes. It's kind of a "necessary evil" to have a single person exposed to the media. And I'm pretty sure that VLC would have either died, been sold, or turned into adware if it wasn't for you.

So I think it's a benefit overall to have you as the sole focus.

Re:The one who kept VLC free by nothrabannosir on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:31AM (#21070097)
> Yes, it is true that I refused a ton of money to either sell the trademark and domain-name,

Thank you.

> ... or to include adware/spyware in the Windows installer.

Thank you a lot.

Re:The one who kept VLC free by heyoni on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:00AM (#21070306)
I know right? So many good projects have failed to maintain their integrity and changed for the worst. It’s hard to trust software these days but there are exceptions and VLC is one of them.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by nameless912 on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:47AM (#21071277)
Looking at you, uTorrent. It went from the most easily recommendable torrent client to an utter piece of garbage overnight.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by nojvek on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @07:52PM (#21076835)
I'm looking at you Whatsapp. The founders clearly lied in the manifesto and sold their soul to Facebook which Zuckerberg was more than happy to take advantage of.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by jacquesm on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:53AM (#21070770)
It didn't help that at some point on of the main distribution points for FOSS shipped archives stuffed with malware that the authors had no idea about.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by phkahler on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:44AM (#21071249)
Yeah, I used to place some trust in programs under certain licenses, or downloaded from that place. Now the license is a hard requirement and so is not being from that place.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by lone_haxx0r on Thursday September 26, 2019 @07:55PM (#21086977)
Do you mean Sourceforge, Softonic or both?
Re:The one who kept VLC free by grawprog on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:48AM (#21070719)
Just wanted to throw in my appreciation for VLC and the team behind it. I just realized after this, that I've been using VLC for more than half my life at this point. It's always one of the first things I install on a new system or phone. Thanks for all the hard work over the years from you and everybody that's worked on VLC.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by jacobush on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:55AM (#21070785)
Same! I don't actually USE it much, but I keep it around for the weird cases. It can even transcode.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by jseliger on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:04AM (#21071432)
There also seems to be an effort to turn it into an NLE, which is very cool: https://www.videolan.org/vlmc/.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by ACS_Solver on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:44AM (#21070694)
> Yes, it is true that I refused a ton of money to either sell the trademark and domain-name, or to include adware/spyware in the Windows installer.

Thank you for your integrity. You walked away from enough money to retire on, out of a principled commitment to free quality software. That deserves a lot of respect.

Re:The one who kept VLC free by flr03 on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:29AM (#21070554)
Hi Jean-Baptiste, I remember we met in Munich about 10 years ago, at a Qt conference, and had a little chat. Was nice meeting you there, "l'eau a coulé sous les ponts depuis" like we say, I'm glad you stayed true with your values since.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by 300bps on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:31AM (#21070103)
Not ignoring the downsides you point out in the article, this line alone makes it worth the read:

Sure, more money would be fun, but most of the people I know who have more money are annoying.

Re:The one who kept VLC free by jbk on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:37AM (#21070152)
Yes, I truly believe so. With a tiny bit of exaggeration, of course, but the idea is here.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by realty_geek on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:37AM (#21071186)
Brilliant!! Just for that I'd love you but you also happen to be an awesome individual.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by thedailymail on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:35AM (#21070132)
Yeah, that line went straight into my internet quotes collection
Re:The one who kept VLC free by Insanity on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:41AM (#21070174)
I still enjoyed the response to finding good developers. Seems like a sane response :)

Also thanks for the work on VLC, it's one of those things that's always been installed on my PC since the early 2000s. :)

Re:The one who kept VLC free by have_faith on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:08AM (#21070903)
Do you need any support with the website? as a front-end dev it's all I could contribute. I don't mean bells and whistles, just cleaning things up, making stuff consistent, improving galleries and that sort of thing. I've been using VLC for as long as I can remember so would be nice to give something back.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by jbk on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:30AM (#21071122)
Yes, a lot. It looks ok, but there is a LOT of technical debt. It is static, with PHP and a bit of JS.

Also, if you know Vue.js, we need help on the new web interface of VLC. :D

Re:The one who kept VLC free by aaronholbrook on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:10AM (#21071489)
How can more of us help? I'm a php developer with css/js/vue skills also.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by have_faith on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:50AM (#21071918)
How can I get in touch to help with the main site? The VueJS front-end is something I'd be interested in helping with too. React background wrt web apps but happy to dive in.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by no_no on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:47AM (#21071876)
Hey hi, I have experience in Vue. How can I contribute?
Re:The one who kept VLC free by sysashi on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:31AM (#21070570)
You guys (I mean people who write free open software in general) are inspiration for me! Not only for me, I feel like many people appreciate FOSS but don't speak up about it often..
Re:The one who kept VLC free by air7 on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:31AM (#21071136)
> I refused a ton of money to either sell the trademark and domain-name

Out of curiosity, could you give ball-park numbers?

Re:The one who kept VLC free by ehsankia on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:39AM (#21071200)
Last I heard it was in the order of tens of millions of euros [0]

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/france/comments/736ghk/ama_je_suis_...

Re:The one who kept VLC free by lultimouomo on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:54AM (#21071346)
It would be so easy to come up with excuses for taking that kind of money. The guy has all my respect.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by pingyong on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:52AM (#21070755)
>(inb4 mpv, mpc-hc, potplayer is better...)

Well mpv can play full-range videos with correct colors... ;) But for everything that isn't a full-range video, I usually prefer VLC. So thanks!

Re:The one who kept VLC free by jbk on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:31AM (#21071130)
> Well mpv can play full-range videos with correct colors... ;)

VLC can too, if compiled correctly with the libplacebo dependency. It shares most of the shaders with mpv.

Re:The one who kept VLC free by pingyong on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:37AM (#21071190)
Hmm, interesting. Unfortunately I wasn't planning on compiling VLC myself, but maybe I should.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by thaumasiotes on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:43AM (#21071242)
Interestingly...

I have a collection of subtitled videos from several years ago. When I obtained them, I watched them in VLC with no problems.

A year or two ago, I had the urge to watch them again, and I wasn't able to use VLC, because it could no longer display the subtitles correctly. This prompted me to start using mpv instead of VLC, for pretty much everything. But I'm still confused at how VLC could have lost the ability to play files it once handled perfectly.

Re:The one who kept VLC free by m_t on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:14AM (#21071523)
I think there's been a lot of work in the past years on the subtitles display for VLC (but I might be entirely wrong).

I'm sure that if you still have those videos, the devs at videolan would be very happy to test them to repro that bug.

Re:The one who kept VLC free by ddingus on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:32AM (#21070589)
Thank you. I love VLC.

Pass my sentiments along to the collective. You all did great work.

I donate every few downloads. It is not much, but maybe enough people do it to matter.

Re:The one who kept VLC free by tomp on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:43AM (#21070682)
I liked the interview. Particularly the parts about maintainability / modularity, and hiring developers. Are any parts of that inaccurate, or do you (still) stand behind them? Are there any interviews / documents where you elaborate on those topics?
Re:The one who kept VLC free by jbk on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:32AM (#21071140)
> Are any parts of that inaccurate, or do you (still) stand behind them?

Everything is mostly accurate, it is just the technical details that are not.

> Are there any interviews / documents where you elaborate on those topics?

No. Mail me :)

Re:The one who kept VLC free by jblakey on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:47AM (#21070715)
Just wanted to say thanks for all the hard work over the years!
Re:The one who kept VLC free by IshKebab on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:05AM (#21070355)
How much money specifically, just for curiosity? More than $1m?
Re:The one who kept VLC free by jbk on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:13AM (#21070419)
Way more.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by cameronbrown on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:41AM (#21070665)
It's not worth much, but you have my respect. I'm not sure I could've made that choice.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by axus on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:31AM (#21070573)
Were you able to make a decent living with related works?
Re:The one who kept VLC free by jbk on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:36AM (#21070616)
I am happy with my life.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by krelian on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:31AM (#21071135)
The most important thing of them all
Re:The one who kept VLC free by typon on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:50AM (#21071317)
You're a good person.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by Dragonai on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:11AM (#21071500)
Thank you for everything.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by krmbzds on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:43AM (#21070186)
You sir are a God among men. Thank you for all your work.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by Moru on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:33AM (#21070121)
Thankyouthankyouthankyou
Re:The one who kept VLC free by ajscanlan on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:21AM (#21070487)
Love VLC player my man, one of the most impressive pieces of software imo.

Thank you and the other VideoLAN people

Re:The one who kept VLC free by spsrich2 on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:21AM (#21071609)
Can I throw in my sincere thanks for VLC. Back in the early 00s a media player that - gasp - actually played videos versus 'visualisations' or printing messages requiring you to install codecs was a rare and welcome thing! And still is !
Re:The one who kept VLC free by maitredusoi on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:04AM (#21070339)
I am really happy of the video, so I shared it on linkedin ... The most important part for me is when you spoke about creativity and knowing the web stack in order to be a good web dev. That has to be said, even if there cuts...
Re:The one who kept VLC free by whycombagator on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @02:20PM (#21073584)
I've not used it in a while (or anything similar). But I relied on VLC heavily in the past and it was a godsend. I can't thank you enough for your efforts and your integrity - you are the real MVP
Re:The one who kept VLC free by burtonator on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:42AM (#21071826)
What I don't like about it is how anti-money it is... for apparently no reason.

For example, he said he doesn't want to work on it full time because then he would burn out. His solution is to get a job not working on VLC and then just work on VLC full time.

But that just shifts the burn out to his official employer.

The main challenge is that most OSS companies don't have healthy revenue models for building B2C apps like VLC.

Customers refuse to pay which is why you see companies like Facebook that make the consumer the product.

If you have two products that do the same thing. A and B.

A respects your privacy and charges you $1.99 per month.

B sells your data and is free.

... the customers will all block to B and A will stagnate or just outright die.

Re:The one who kept VLC free by jbk on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @12:35PM (#21072398)
> But that just shifts the burn out to his official employer.

I'm my own employer...

Re:The one who kept VLC free by AdmiralAsshat on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:49AM (#21070727)
Thank-you for all the work that you and your team do.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by TomMarius on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:12AM (#21070940)
I always wanted to thank you and your team for the awesome work. Thank you!
Re:The one who kept VLC free by cwkoss on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @04:13PM (#21074804)
Thank you for your service, you've made the world a better place.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by ocfnash on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:26AM (#21070532)
Thank you for giving so much of your time, and for your integrity.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by OmegaBlight on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:51AM (#21070749)
Great work, thank you.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by SquishyPanda23 on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:00AM (#21070829)
VLC is truly amazing. Thank you for keeping it free.
Re:The one who kept VLC free by baby on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:58AM (#21071379)
Respect, c’est tout ce que j’ai a dire :)
Re:The one who kept VLC free by microcolonel on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:08AM (#21071475)
Thank you.

> (inb4 mpv, mpc-hc, potplayer is better...)

We can all enjoy libavcodec in our own special way, VLC is the masochist's lavc frontend, no kink-shaming. :- )