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Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by opmac on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @07:33PM (#21011644)
Meh... they could have rewritten the site from the ground up, including any sort of data migration, multiple times over by now. I have never worked there, but outside looking in, it seems like there is a significant lack of technical vision from them.

Other big players like Facebook, Twitter, etc, are literally inventing pivotal parts of the modern web technical stack. What has come out of reddit?

Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by joatmon-snoo on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @07:44PM (#21011737)
> including any sort of data migration, multiple times over by now

Someone's never done a data migration while serving 1M+ qps!

Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by ses1984 on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @09:57PM (#21012495)
But they have had downtime, it's not like downtime for a migration would damage their reputation.
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by sethammons on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @10:08PM (#21012550)
I've come close to that many, many times with zero downtime. It does take planning, more than many folks would think. But it can be done as long as you think it through.
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by arcticfox on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:34PM (#21013045)
I've never done anything close to that scale of migration, but I also can't really imagine taking an approach that feels like a huge migration.

I feel like I would try to strangle the old app (putting proxies in front and redirecting endpoints as they're rewritten) rather than swapping it out wholesale.

At that point I don't know if it really counts as a migration as much as just development.

Any thoughts on that approach? Is that what you have done, or was it a more holistic swap over?

Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by joatmon-snoo on Thursday September 19, 2019 @04:30PM (#21020413)
That isn't a data migration, that's a release.
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by throwaway1777 on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @08:47PM (#21012119)
Did you miss the part where Reddit has 500 employees whereas FB has 40000? There was a point in Reddit history where there was literally 1 engineer.
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by opmac on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @09:40PM (#21012408)
What's your point? Wikipedia is Alexa rank 10 and has ~300 employees.
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by hobofan on Thursday September 19, 2019 @03:01AM (#21013968)
What's your point? Wikipedia is developing even slower than Reddit. Not that it would need to, though.
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by bredren on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @09:45PM (#21012436)
They created a mobile app and dark patterns that pushed users to use it so they could show ads.
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Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by linza on Thursday September 19, 2019 @02:22AM (#21013788)
Yes, oh no. Dark patterns are closer to fraud than to a legitimate business model I'd recommend to my friends and family. Nigerian princes selling you gold is a business model too.
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by thatguyagain on Thursday September 19, 2019 @03:28AM (#21014096)
The company you work for, how do they make money? Do they market their products?
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by linza on Thursday September 19, 2019 @04:57AM (#21014512)
Yes of course. What's your point? All marketing lies, and there is no spectrum, and therefore no moral ambiguity in doing shady things?
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by attqqq on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:26PM (#21012996)
There’s always ethical ways to generate money, too. Opt in generosity is proven to be viable.. see: Wikipedia, All of Patreon, Etc
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by Gaelan on Thursday September 19, 2019 @01:33AM (#21013562)
Reddit gold was that, for a long time. Presumably, it didn’t work. (Or maybe wasn’t profitable enough?)
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by Bombthecat on Thursday September 19, 2019 @02:08AM (#21013728)
We are past ethical ways...
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by kamaal on Thursday September 19, 2019 @12:37AM (#21013338)
>>they could have rewritten the site from the ground up

They did. They even tossed out Common Lisp and bought in Python because they thought it would fix their problems. It didn't.

Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by Deimorz on Thursday September 19, 2019 @01:16AM (#21013491)
That was in December 2005, less than 6 months after the site launched. Reddit was tiny and didn't even have subreddits or comments yet. This is what it looked like: https://web.archive.org/web/20051205025706/http://reddit.com...

The problems they're dealing with 14 years later as one of the top sites on the internet aren't even slightly comparable.

Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by kamaal on Thursday September 19, 2019 @02:54AM (#21013936)
Sure, may be its time to move to something like Clojure or Golang now?

Python is a good scripting language, But if you are developing backend applications for this scale you probably need some serious JVM language. Or even Golang works fine.

Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by Stevvo on Thursday September 19, 2019 @04:34AM (#21014417)
Instagram's backend is written in python. Python is very slow, but still fast enough.
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by juststeve on Thursday September 19, 2019 @05:40AM (#21014690)
they could still backend to C or rust, no?
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Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by chillwaves on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @08:51PM (#21012144)
Do you have specific insight into working at Reddit?
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by opmac on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @09:40PM (#21012412)
You've managed to say a lot without really saying anything.

You make plenty of baseless assumptions about my background and ambitions... but I'm not even going to try to address my professional experience (or lack thereof) because it doesn't matter, since you're just using it as a straw man to deflect criticism.

The facts are as follows: 1. Reddit is one of the highest visited websites in the world. 2. Throughout nearly their entire history, they've struggled to put together a way to make money. 3. They have notorious uptime.

Of course they have talented engineers... it would be a surprise if one of the worlds most popular websites didn't.

That doesn't change the facts that they continue to look and function like they're straight out of 2005 (does their search even work yet?), lack a semi decent mobile experience, and have contributed essentially nothing to the technical community in their entire history.

Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by tomnipotent on Friday September 20, 2019 @12:36AM (#21023360)
> Reddit is one of the highest visited websites in the world > Throughout nearly their entire history, they've struggled to put together a way to make money.

True, but irrelevant. It also means they handle more traffic per dollar than probably any other site in it's category.

> They have notorious uptime.

Browsing https://reddit.statuspage.io/ for less than a minute proves this is hyperbolic bull.

> and have contributed essentially nothing to the technical community in their entire history

It's not like the reddit source code hasn't been open source forever. But sure, whatever you say. Would have taken you 10 seconds to Google before spouting off nonsense.

Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by juststeve on Thursday September 19, 2019 @05:43AM (#21014709)
so, where is your website?
Re:Reddit was down for over two hours by blaser-waffle on Thursday September 19, 2019 @09:26AM (#21015918)
whataboutism is not a valid reply to the above (fairly legitimate) criticisms