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Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by stadeschuldt on Thursday April 18, 2019 @07:42AM (#19690244)
I am looking at https://usbkill.com/. What is the purpose of the device? The manufacturer calls it an "ESD tester" yet there is an "anonymous" version available: https://usbkill.com/products/usb-killer-v3?variant=447760856...
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by gruez on Thursday April 18, 2019 @08:57PM (#19696162)
>The manufacturer calls it an "ESD tester" yet there is an "anonymous" version available

plausible deniability. selling devices specifically for committing crimes is illegal. that's why all the bong shops say it's "for tobacco use only".

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by subway on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:28AM (#19697112)
If you use that word again, we'll have to ask you to leave. They're water pipes.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by fuzz4lyfe on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:59AM (#19697203)
I like to consume my tobacco via a steamroller or gravity water pipe. So refreshing.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by vict00ms on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:27AM (#19699399)
Head shop I used to go to in the mid-90s kept their "water pipes" in a locked back room. You couldn't even buy one unless they'd deemed you "hip to it, man" or whatever.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by colpabar on Friday April 19, 2019 @10:02AM (#19699666)
Mine sold wicker furniture in the front, but the back was water pipe city.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by MisterTea on Friday April 19, 2019 @08:18AM (#19698910)
Can we get something a bit more technical to give it a more refined and scholarly name? Perhaps Hydrostatic glassware.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by vortico on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:28AM (#19698120)
Totally off-topic question to this thread, but what's the reason for being kicked out of those stores for saying "bong"? I would have guessed that as long as employees don't use the term, it's fine for the company for the customers to suggest what they'll actually be using it for.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by codedokode on Friday April 19, 2019 @08:09AM (#19698850)
Because you might be a police agent trying to make them admit that they are knowingly selling something illegal.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by gduplessy on Friday April 19, 2019 @06:20AM (#19698317)
Going to throw out a guess and say it's because selling you an item after you called it a bong is admitting that it's indeed a bong.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by vortico on Friday April 19, 2019 @07:56AM (#19698771)
Ah, that makes sense, question answered.

My second question is that if bongs and water pipes are the same thing, why does the law distinguish their purpose by their name? It seems like given "I want to buy a water pipe for smoking the marijuana" and "I want a bong to smoke tobacco", the second should be legal to request, not both.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by hprotagonist on Friday April 19, 2019 @06:03PM (#19703401)
intent determines if a thing is illegal. If you intend to use that bong for weed it’s pariphinalia and a felony, if you intend to use it for sheesha it’s fine.

if you intend to use that power tool or crowbar to break into a house it’s “possession of burgular tools” and a felony, if you’re a contractor there to install some drywall it’s not.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by vraivroo on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:37PM (#19701383)
_bong_ is considered drug slang, water pipe is not.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by mrguyorama on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:12PM (#19701187)
I'm pretty sure it's CYA more than anything. The DEA is very aggressive and raids like it's going out of style
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by ProblemFactory on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:31AM (#19698133)
> plausible deniability.

Why would that be necessary?

Jackhammers are tools to destroy pavement. But nobody sells jackhammers as "ground strength testing tools".

These are tools to destroy computers. Both are completely legal as long as you are not destroying someone else's property without permission.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by tastroder on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:55AM (#19698224)
That highly depends on the jurisdiction you're operating in / selling to.

While I'm not aware if anybody has ever been convicted for weirdly defined laws like that we for example have a "hacking paragraph" in Germany that outlaws software for the sole purpose of computer crimes. I'd imagine the UK has similar legal areas in lieu of their recent "kitchen knives are dangerous weapons, sometimes" controversy. It's not that hard to imagine somebody going after the manufacturer of such hardware and that blurb (or the ever famous "for educational purposes only") give them something to reasonably distance themselves from a user's actions.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by simias on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:42AM (#19699514)
It's easy to come up with a legitimate use case for destroying pavement, not so much for USB ports. Testing the ESD resistance of computer equipment on the other hand might be a legit use case.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by cannonedhamster on Friday April 19, 2019 @11:46AM (#19700486)
Secure destruction of equipment you're discarding is a valid use case. Depends on how much of the board actually gets fried.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by jelder on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:21PM (#19701260)
Everyone recognizes that jackhammers are necessary for the built environment that supports our civilization. The understanding that “hacking tools” and the like are necessary for our online civilization is less common.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by cronix on Thursday April 18, 2019 @09:29PM (#19696304)
> that's why all the bong shops say it's "for tobacco use only"

Unless you're in a state that's legalized it.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by acchow on Thursday April 18, 2019 @08:52PM (#19696142)
"-200VDC is discharged over the data lines of the host device. This charge/discharge cycle is repeated many times per second, until the USB Killer is removed"

Is there any device that is supposed to survive this?

In other news, throwing your computer in a fire also reveals a serious vulnerability.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by jrockway on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:17AM (#19697062)
Ethernet will probably do fine. The differential pair ends in a transformer, so unless you pump so much current in that it physically melts the transformer or wire, you'll be fine. USB should be similar, but apparently is not. (In the case of the USB killer, the amount of time where 200V is applied to the circuit is probably very tiny. I imagine it's just a charge pump that charges a tiny capacitor and discharges it.)

Ethernet is designed this way because the differential pair can apparently pick up a bit of a DC bias when laid next to cables in the ceiling/wall. While researching this post, I found that the spec requires the transformer/inductor to work correctly with a 30mA bias current. I am too lazy to go measure what the DC resistance is, though, so I don't know whether or not 200V is close to that.

When I was in high school, I wired up a cat 5 cable such that each pair was connected to one phase of the mains. I then plugged it directly into my iMac. There was no damage to the computer and the Ethernet port worked fine afterwards as well. (The integrated monitor went crazy; this was in the CRT days and presumably the Ethernet transceiver's magnetics make a good degaussing coil).

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by brirec on Friday April 19, 2019 @02:02AM (#19697412)
Oh dear god, why did you connect your iMac’s Ethernet port to mains? Did you expect it to survive?!

The fact that Ethernet functions the same with a voltage bias across the leads is exploited for PoE — power over Ethernet.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by jrockway on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:30PM (#19700841)
> Oh dear god, why did you connect your iMac’s Ethernet port to mains?

Because I was 15 and bored.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by copperx on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:41PM (#19703256)
Wouldn't you be more bored if you found yourself without an iMac?
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by nostrademons on Friday April 19, 2019 @04:08AM (#19697865)
In college I stripped one end of an Ethernet cord and plugged it into household current. The other end I had hooked up to an old laptop I no longer wanted. The wire exploded, and the motherboard was fried. YMMV. Laptop was an old Sony Vaio c. 2001 vintage if it makes a difference.

(On the plus side, this made up for sleeping through that physics class where my professor did the exploding wires demo.)

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by ttsda on Friday April 19, 2019 @10:31AM (#19699920)
Household current is AC, the transformer will pass it through.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by Dylan16807 on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:54AM (#19697189)
The transformer mainly protects you from a voltage difference between a twisted pair and ground. Much less so from voltage across a twisted pair. But saturation could help limit the current spike, at least.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by jrockway on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:06AM (#19697230)
That makes sense. The pair shouldn't have a voltage on it, that's why it's a twisted pair.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by interfixus on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:19AM (#19697272)
> Is there any device that is supposed to survive this?

There used to be...

As a boy - and this is many, many years ago - I once, ehm, accidentally connected the external speaker-plug on an old vacuum tube household radio to the 220V mains.

A very loud bang, and the house went dark. The radio, however, was fine, although with an interesting new tonal slant to everything.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by chrisswanda on Friday April 19, 2019 @06:01AM (#19698249)
As a young man, I grabbed a 6146B tube before it discharged. I felt fine, until the pain started.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by codedokode on Friday April 19, 2019 @08:26AM (#19698980)
Because radios in those days were made properly, without planned obsolescence!
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by klodolph on Friday April 19, 2019 @10:22AM (#19699831)
That's the filter of history at work. By and large, old radios were not built to last. The only ones that survive are the ones that, because of good design, good luck, or gentle use, managed to make it to today.

I repair & build vacuum tube equipment as a hobby.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by mfgs on Thursday April 18, 2019 @09:57PM (#19696460)
You'd need opto-isolated data lines. I can't see any common devices having that.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by egwynn on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:45PM (#19696945)
For a while, macbooks were built this way: https://github.com/usbkill/community/wiki/Consumer-Laptop-Ha...
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by Razengan on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:56PM (#19696991)
But the recent/2018 ones are vulnerable? Why? Cost cutting?
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by tjohns on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:23AM (#19697282)
Probably related to the switch to USB-C, which started with the 2016 models.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by Johnny555 on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:09PM (#19696817)
Would that even meet the USB spec? You could isolate the entire USB module, but I don't think you can just isolate the data lines.

And you'd still have to deal with the big spikes coming in on the USB power pins.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by ShorsHammer on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:40PM (#19696658)
Newer Apple devices should be protected.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by SeanLuke on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:36PM (#19696916)
Why?
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by egwynn on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:44PM (#19696940)
For a time, macbooks had opto-isolated USB ports[0]. I think they don’t anymore though.

[0] https://github.com/usbkill/community/wiki/Consumer-Laptop-Ha...

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by SeanLuke on Friday April 19, 2019 @08:25AM (#19698968)
Call me highly skeptical. Every reference I've seen to this claim seems to point back to usbkill.com making it itself.

The problem is: optoisolators are very slow. Building one which goes faster than 12Mbps would be nontrivial; I do not think such a thing existed in 2014 (which usbkill is claiming). This implies that Apple has alien technology.

I think it's something else.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by michaelt on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:11AM (#19699283)

  The problem is: optoisolators are very slow.
Many are but they don't have to be - an optoisolator is just a zero-length fiber optic cable. Ain't much higher bandwidth than a fiber optic cable.

Not saying apple laptops ever had optoisolated USB though.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by mindslight on Friday April 19, 2019 @11:50AM (#19700510)
IMHO the problem with isolating USB is the 480Mbit ("USB 2.0") bidirectional signal.

12Mbps/1.5Mbps is easy. ADI has an integrated magnetic isolator chip. For hobbyist use you can get this assembled on a board ready to use as an ebay special.

The 5Gbit of USB3 is two unidirectional links and so is also easy (monoprice and elsewhere sell optical USB3 cables).

And lest you think you'll isolate at 5Gbit and then use a hub to translate to 480, USB3 doesn't work that way - the backwards compatibility is provided by a complete USB 2 bus in parallel.

For general isolating (say an electronics workbench), it's easiest to consider the USB host floating (eg a dedicated bench computer), and rely on ethernet (T or SX) for the isolation.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by simias on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:50AM (#19699578)
Beyond that the host has to supply 5V to the USB device, couldn't you just cause some damage by sending 200V on these lines? You might only fry the USB power supply but that's enough to be a major pain.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by mirimir on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:18AM (#19697068)
I vaguely recall the argument (maybe buried in the USBKill site) that manufacturers could ~easily limit maximum voltage across the data lines. Maybe using a resettable fuse? I know that Raspberry Pi limit USB input voltage to ~5V, for example.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by miahi on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:12AM (#19697248)
Raspberry Pi limits the input voltage with a Zener diode across the input. In a Zener used this way, the current flow through the diode varies with the voltage difference between the input and the output - so with enough voltage input you can still make it fail, as you can exceed the max power dissipation of the diode and then it will burn - and after that, your circuit is not protected anymore.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by blackflame7000 on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:16PM (#19704265)
I can confirm that you can indeed destroy an RPI0 by accidentally connecting a power supply to the USB port while another power supply is connected to the power supply port.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by mirimir on Friday April 19, 2019 @11:25AM (#19700336)
OK, so is there any other purely electronic protection method? Or are optoisolators the only option?
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by wodenokoto on Thursday April 18, 2019 @08:24AM (#19690458)
> Is the device safe? > The USB Kill and the USB Kill Testing Shield are safe to use. Both devices have been manufactured, tested and certified as CE Approved. Test in complete confidence.

This device that is designed to destroy computers is perfectly safe to use ... I don't know what to say to that.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by 0-_-0 on Thursday April 18, 2019 @09:12AM (#19690716)
Safe for the user, not to the computer I assume.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by londons_explore on Monday April 22, 2019 @04:25AM (#19717365)
I kinda doubt that. If you unplug it while in use and stick a key into the USB plug, you might get a painful surprise...
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by anonlastname on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:57AM (#19691455)
I could see it being useful for when you want an easy way to get a high voltage spike out of a 5v power supply. For example, if you wanted to build a board for igniting the gas in a potato gun that ran off of a USB power bank.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by semi-extrinsic on Friday April 19, 2019 @07:01AM (#19698501)
Then you want something like one of these instead:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-3V-5V-Arc-Generator-High-Voltage...

You also want to use the gas dispenser from a Paslode impact gun, an air mattress inflator and a Zodiac check valve for the air purge.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by TeMPOraL on Friday April 19, 2019 @04:35AM (#19697940)
Speaking of power banks, what would happen if you plugged this device directly to one?
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by vortico on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:29AM (#19698124)
Only one way to find out!
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by huseyinkeles on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:30AM (#19698129)
most power banks don't have the data lines, and as far as I see this device uses the data lines to destroy the host. So I'll guess nothing would happen.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by londons_explore on Monday April 22, 2019 @04:29AM (#19717376)
You could design one which did destruction via the power lines if you wanted to.

That's much harder though because power lines tend to have big-ish capacitors on them.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by aSockPuppeteer on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:05AM (#19697019)
It may be designed for a cut and run approach. For example, about to crash in enemy territory, brick all the computers.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by Someone on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:37AM (#19698159)
In that case, you want to do a lot more than brick it; you want to destroy disks, ROM, and in many cases even PCB boards.

Explosives will destroy, but recognizable parts will survive. Your safest bet probably is burning your computer, fast and thoroughly.

I think white phosphorous is a popular choice for this kind of thing because it’s relatively easy and safe to transport, store, and deploy (compared to, say, strong acids such as aqua regia)

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by chongli on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:57AM (#19699636)
What about thermite? Melt right through the steel platters of a hard disk!
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by bjoli on Friday April 19, 2019 @10:06AM (#19699698)
Thermite is surprisingly bad at killing disks beyond recoverability.

Search for "and that's how I lost my other eye" from defcon23. Probably available on YouTube.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by hutzlibu on Friday April 19, 2019 @04:02AM (#19697836)
Only when supposed to do it stealthily. Otherwise there are faster military options, to destroy computers.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by yial on Thursday April 18, 2019 @08:04AM (#19690349)
They bill it for “pen testers and police” so I would guess it’s really for people who imagine themselves / want to be within that audience. Not to be overly cynical.

I suppose some pen testers, or actual CIA type folks might have some need of this type of device... but is that a large enough market?

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by stadeschuldt on Thursday April 18, 2019 @08:28AM (#19690479)
I don't buy the pen testing part. I might as well sell a hammer and call it a pen testing device. Funny enough they have the following on their website:

"A hammer used maliciously can permanently damage to a third party's device. The USB Killer, used maliciously, can permanently damage a third party's device."

Contrary to this device a hammer can be used a useful tool too.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by phire on Thursday April 18, 2019 @09:24PM (#19696280)
It's designed to prove a point.

To prove that USB devices can be malicious.

It's probably most useful as an education tool, training staff not to plug random USB devices they find lying around the parking lot into their computers.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by geofft on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:08PM (#19696501)
It's like hiring a gunman to start shooting up your office to train people about the dangers of social engineering, to prove that some people shouldn't be trusted.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by Thorrez on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:41PM (#19696926)
Actively using it to harm others is different than just creating it.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by notahacker on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:25AM (#19698113)
Creating it and selling it is an obvious attempt to profit from the custom of those who wish to use it to actively harm others. There's literally no other reason for anybody to buy an "anonymous" one over a standard one which says what it does on the stick, and yet they're charging $5 more for the anonymous one...
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by Thorrez on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:10PM (#19704247)
It's a curiosity item. I would buy an anonymous one if they were $30 or less. It's interesting to have around, a conversation piece. The anonymous one increases the interest, because it better demonstrates the danger, the precariousness.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by azimuth11 on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:39PM (#19696653)
Bad choice as an example of social engineering, not funny, and doesn’t make sense at all.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by calabin on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:09PM (#19696818)
I don't think that it was a joke or made in bad faith - rather to demonstrate the logical extreme.

Essentially that the logical extreme of dropping computer-destroying USBs to demonstrate that one shouldn't plug strange USBs in the first place is akin to destroying an office that you talked yourself into to prove that you shouldn't have been let in in the first place. Perhaps "shooting up" was a tad too far, but with charity it's a reasonable point nonetheless.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by geofft on Friday April 19, 2019 @11:01AM (#19700153)
Right, it wasn't supposed to be a joke, and the intended argument was that hiring a gunman as social engineering training makes as much sense as using a computer-destroying USB stick as physical security training—so yes, it was supposed to be a bad example of social engineering.

Using a computer-destroying USB stick as an example of physical security threats misunderstands the nature and motivations of attackers. Everyone past childhood (and some in childhood, sadly) understands that there are a few people in this world whose motivation is to cause destruction and hurt simply because they find destruction and hurt enjoyable in themselves. They also understand that such people are rare, and that their threat modeling (which everyone does, even if they don't call it that) should rationally respond to such people by almost ignoring them—otherwise you find yourself not leaving your house for fear that there's a gunman on your block.

The motivations of people who want to actually get something out of you are quite different. They're not interested in destruction, because that would harm their target. They're usually interested in being undetectable. A social engineer will pretend to be locked out, ask meekly to be let in, and behave like a normal employee until they get what they need and leave normally. Defenses like "don't let people tailgate" work for those people. A gunman will just shoot you, break the door, ignore the alarm, and keep shooting until the cops kill them.

Similarly, someone who's trying to attack your business with a malicious USB drive will give you a USB drive that appears to be a normal one, that maybe pops up a terminal window very briefly and then disappears. You likely won't notice that you made a mistake, and you'll probably see an actual drive pop up on screen. Someone who's trying to attack your business will generally not give you a USB drive that destroys your computer immediately. (For most businesses, computers are not worth much compared to the secrecy of the data they contain, anyway, which is why full-disk encryption is a reasonable defense; it assumes that a computer might be lost and that this is recoverable.)

So a good security training program should say "These are ways where people might try to subtly break in to gain access that you might not have thought of before," not "Sadistic sociopaths exist, wear plate armor at all time."

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by saulrh on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:29PM (#19696608)
Might make sense, yeah. How many computers would get blown up during such a test, and how much productivity would be lost and how much money would it cost? What is the expected cost of a major breach or malware infection? How much less likely does a breach or malware infection become as a result of leaving one of these laying around? I actually wouldn't be surprised if leaving these did come out positive, in much the same way that regular fire drills come out positive.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by ALittleLight on Thursday April 18, 2019 @09:42PM (#19696373)
I would think a USB containing an info graphic about the dangers of plugging in random USBs is a far more efficient education tool than one that destroys the hardware of your staff. Worse, what if they took it home and used it on a personal device?
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by torqueTorrent on Thursday April 18, 2019 @09:56PM (#19696453)
>> training staff not to plug random USB devices...

Nothing like some high-consequences IRL training!

Perhaps curricula for the Inspector Clouseau police academy?

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by torqueTorrent on Thursday April 18, 2019 @09:50PM (#19696425)
When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail!
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by moftz on Thursday April 18, 2019 @08:30AM (#19690486)
I can't even imagine a situation where police would want to destroy a running device that could likely have evidence stored in volatile memory. Even if it was their own device that they were retiring, it doesn't even wipe data, it just destroys the logic/motherboard.

Hardware designers might want one to test out their mitigation circuit but once your design, why do you need a USBkill anymore?

This thing just seems like a destructive version of those annoyance toys like a TV-B-Gone.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by theandrewbailey on Thursday April 18, 2019 @08:57AM (#19690628)
I've never heard of TV-B-Gone.

> During the 2008 Consumer Electronics Show, an individual associated with Gizmodo brought a TV-B-Gone remote control and shut off many display monitors at booths and during demos affecting several companies. These actions caused the individual to be banned for life from future CES events.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV-B-Gone

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by squarefoot on Thursday April 18, 2019 @09:36AM (#19690875)
The innocuous use of TV-B-Gone devices was to shut off at once all TV sets at malls; it was rather a prank than a destructive act, with the added benefit of getting some peace.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by lloeki on Friday April 19, 2019 @04:37AM (#19697945)
Back in the day you could turn a HP-48 into a universal remote control. Oh, the pranks we pulled on an unsuspecting teacher (the teacher was the worst kind ever of know-it-all prick, and duly deserved it).
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by xattt on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:56PM (#19696743)
Was there a TV-come-on to turn on the mall TVs in the morning?
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by squarefoot on Friday April 19, 2019 @08:39AM (#19699052)
Not that I know of, but technically doable since all it needs is transmitting through infrared the corresponding signal variants according to different brands. By modifying the source one could for example set all TVs to maximum volume, or tune them to channel 666, or even give different commands to different brands as they share the same IR codes.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by sophacles on Friday April 19, 2019 @10:50AM (#19700075)
Mitch open sourced the entirety of tv b gone from the start. It's pretty easy to make this tv-come-on. The tvbg is just a ir driver and:

    foreach offcode in list_of_offcodes:
        transmit(offcode)
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by blackflame7000 on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:28PM (#19704302)
You need the TV-B-ON version
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by squarefoot on Thursday April 18, 2019 @09:49AM (#19690961)
"I can't even imagine a situation where police would want to destroy a running device that could likely have evidence stored in volatile memory."

Exactly. That device has nothing to do with police or testing. The politically correct name is a way to avoid filters or to claim ignorance in case some customers do nasty thing with them. Not different from cellphone/gps jammers sold under the "signal/field generator" name.

"Even if it was their own device that they were retiring, it doesn't even wipe data, it just destroys the logic/motherboard."

And it's even very bad at it: most computers have internal usb hubs that would act as a (weak but sometimes successful) defense against these devices.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by kweks on Friday April 19, 2019 @02:10AM (#19697437)
My business partner is a supplier to LEA / Government for intrusion / pentest / physical and electronic security. He has sold over 600 units to legitimate government and police entities.

Likewise, the USBKill suppliers had shown confirmed clients from all large SV companies, and all major hardware manufacturers.

It definitely is a malicious device in the hands of someone malicious, no doubt... But it most definitely serves a purpose to government and LEA apparently ..

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by Taniwha on Thursday April 18, 2019 @09:20PM (#19696266)
TV-B-Gone has many practical uses, especially in public places where TV is foisted upon the general public
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by 8note on Thursday April 18, 2019 @08:55PM (#19696155)
I could see this being used to check USB chargers to make sure they don't catch fire when weird things happen
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by neaanopri on Thursday April 18, 2019 @10:28PM (#19696603)
I mean, it's not like it's expensive to manufacture! One person soldering and maybe a single board and usb plug, its probably easy to make money if you can sell them for $30 or so in the volumes of 100's.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by secfirstmd on Thursday April 18, 2019 @09:18PM (#19696254)
Also activists / journos in some countries. I know we have looked at various emergency destruction techniques over the years.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by Shaanie on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:29PM (#19696884)
USB killer would not be an appropriate way to do that, it'd just give a false sense of security.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by wiseleo on Friday April 19, 2019 @02:52AM (#19697590)
I wouldn't be so sure. Frying an SSD efficiently is a good use.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by krisoft on Friday April 19, 2019 @03:49AM (#19697800)
Yes, efficiently frying an SSD can be a goal. No, this device does not do that.

"I wouldn't be so sure." is not the right test to pick. Yes it might destroy the SSD, but more likely just burns out something on the motherboard.

When you are picking an emergency destruction method your test should be: "I'm reasonably certain that this irreparably destroys the data"

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by gsich on Friday April 19, 2019 @03:37AM (#19697754)
But this is USB.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by secfirstmd on Friday April 19, 2019 @07:00AM (#19698491)
True. But options are limited. Something is better than nothing in a scenario where secret police are at your door.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by kosma on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:05AM (#19698060)
It's not an ESD or a surge tester; the manufacturer doesn't even pay much attention to differentiate between the two. Surge testing is done with well-defined waveforms like 8/20us pulses of specific voltage; ESD testing is done by discharging a specific voltage from well-defined source like 150pF/330R. This one is simply advertised as "powerful", meaning it doesn't respect those specs.

To elaborate: surge/ESD protection components work on the basis of thermally dissipating incoming energy that exceeds voltage threshold. They're specifically designed to clamp single, short, high-energy pulses - not repeated pulses or constant voltage. A TVS or MOV will overheat & explode if you subject it to DC higher than its breakdown voltage, or if you subject it to repetitive load - they're simply not designed & rated for that because it's not what happens in the real world. You just don't get repetitive lightning strikes or repetitive ESD discharges in real life, and they don't protect against that.

TL;DR: With enough voltage & current you can fry anything and that's what the device does.

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by pvaldes on Friday April 19, 2019 @11:28AM (#19700357)
Maybe could be handy to distroy terminator robots and inactivate war weapons in the future. Who knows?
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by blackflame7000 on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:31PM (#19704308)
One thing is certain, they will have a USB port.
Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by Jerry2 on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:14AM (#19697055)
From that page:

>Does not require batteries, can be be used an unlimited number of times.

So how does it work? How can it recharge all those capacitors?

Re:Former student destroys 59 university computers using USB... by crowbahr on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:33AM (#19697127)
I believe they charge from the port first then discharge back into the port they just charged from.