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Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by nabla9 on Sunday February 24, 2019 @08:06PM (#19241879)
Most of the meat in the market is already something else than what people think meat is.

Meatballs may have more than half chicken skin. Burgers contain 25% filler. Pink slime (= lean finely textured beef) is a highly processed meat by-product. In the US its processed with ammonia but that's not allowed in EU.

Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by strken on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:16PM (#19242583)
"Pink slime" is made by centrifuging heated fatty offcuts, which doesn't turn my stomach that much.

I have a sneaking suspicion that what people find disgusting is the industrial production of meat, and that if Gordon Ramsey had a small and inoffensive centrifuge attachment for his KitchenAid the process would seem less gross.

Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by petre on Monday February 25, 2019 @12:57AM (#19243349)
Home production of meat is equally gross if not more. You probably haven't seen the meat market in Lagos (I’d think twice before searching that on Google Images). At least the industry has to comply with regulation and hygenical standards.
Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by nabla9 on Monday February 25, 2019 @06:09AM (#19244726)
High status for the rich food can be gross, but it can't be low quality. Ammonia or citric acid processed slime-paste is as low quality as it gets. Adding pink slime to the product changes the texture. Pink slime less meaty and juicy compared to normal beef.

Good chef can do good simple food, but they want good ingredient and that's not that pink slime is.

Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by slfnflctd on Monday February 25, 2019 @11:56AM (#19246998)
On one hand, I know what you mean.

On the other, isn't it all really quite subjective? What you describe is tied every bit as much to irrational emotions about histories of things as it is about 'quality' in any measurable sense. What is considered the highest delicacy with a complex preparation in one century has that same process industrialized and becomes 'poor people junk food' in the next, despite being objectively, measurably a better quality product by every possible metric.

Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by windexh8er on Monday February 25, 2019 @07:19AM (#19245073)
While your statement is true it's not exactly that straightforward since that is only part of the process and rationale for it. The US has just recently changed course on allowing pink slime to be labeled as "ground beef". Because of those recent changes by the FDA consumers have lost insight to what's in their meat unfortunately.

https://newfoodeconomy.org/bpi-pink-slime-ground-beef-usda-r...

Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by manmal on Monday February 25, 2019 @02:28AM (#19243743)
Eating only lean muscle meat is not a good idea anyway. Not sure the products you mentioned are healthy, but mixing things up a bit with skin, organs etc might be beneficial. Don’t hate the meat byproducts per se.
Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by darkpuma on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:25PM (#19242626)
Most of the preprocessed meat maybe. I've never put chicken in my meatballs. And meatballs are easy enough to make that for the life of me I can't figure out why anybody would buy them premade. Make a large batch and freeze them yourself. They'll be a thousand times better than the trash you can buy at the store.
Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by zimpenfish on Monday February 25, 2019 @04:30AM (#19244264)
> I can't figure out why anybody would buy them premade

People who don't have a kitchen big enough for cooking in bulk like that? People without freezers? People without that amount of free time? People don't really like food? People with motion disabilities? I've probably missed out some groups.

Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by darkpuma on Monday February 25, 2019 @04:45AM (#19244350)
>People who don't have a kitchen big enough for cooking in bulk like that?

By "bulk" I mean an oven tray or two. I'm not rocking an commercial kitchen here.

>People without freezers?

Where do they put their frozen meatballs from the store?

The time is amortized, if you don't like food then you shouldn't care anyway, and I really doubt most people buying frozen meatballs from the store have disabilities.

Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by zimpenfish on Monday February 25, 2019 @06:26AM (#19244815)
> Where do they put their frozen meatballs from the store?

Perhaps they're buying frozen ones to cook immediately (much like frozen meals)?

> I really doubt most people buying frozen meatballs from the store have disabilities

It might not be "most" for that one group, sure, but the groups I suggested probably do cover "most" in total.

Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by matthewmcg on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:53PM (#19242772)
This. Or even making your own marinara sauce. It’s payoff for the amount of time invested. NYtimes has a good recipe that takes about 20 minutes. The only trick is to find really good canned tomatoes.

https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1015987-classic-marinara...

Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by amanaplanacanal on Monday February 25, 2019 @04:19PM (#19249544)
Even bad canned tomatoes are probably better than whatever fresh plastic balls you can find in your market.
Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by sureaboutthis on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:01PM (#19242491)
Which is why one needs to be cooking for themselves as I have while eating my--coincidentally enough--made from scratch spaghetti and meatballs for dinner tonight.
Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by ngngngng on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:34PM (#19242680)
Honestly though chicken skin is delicious. I don't know why it would bother me to have it in my meatballs.
Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by kemayo on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:37PM (#19242685)
Fried chicken is almost based on the idea that the skin (and enhancements thereof) is the best bit, after all...
Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by Mirioron on Monday February 25, 2019 @01:15AM (#19243443)
But chicken skin is the best bit of chicken.
Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by mcv on Monday February 25, 2019 @06:23AM (#19244791)
I seem to be the only one in my family who thinks so. I've always loved it, but my parents avoided it, and my wife and kids refuse to eat it.

And I'm the one who used to be a vegetarian for nearly 20 years.

(The best bit of the chicken is the thigh, though.)

Re:Paul Graham on the Transition to Meat Substitutes by Pristina on Monday February 25, 2019 @12:28AM (#19243231)
did you farm the wheat or raise the cow? how do you know it's not GMO supersoy hybrid soaked in bee-killing Roundup?