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Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by arduanika on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:49AM (#18813133)
"...and if the dam breaks open many years too soon..."

Perhaps interesting to note the origin of this name for spacecraft. The legend "Chang'e flies to the moon" (嫦娥奔月) lies behind the Mid-Autumn Festival (featuring mooncakes, as it were). Point is, the names of Chinese space missions are every bit as carefully steeped in tradition as, say, Mercury/Gemini/Apollo.

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by tanilama on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:43AM (#18813536)
The story behind Chang'e is also interesting. Essentially, she is the wife of a legendary hero, Hou Yi(后羿), who saved the mankind from dying of drought due to the presence of nine Suns, by shooting all but one of them down.

Chang'e stole the Immortal Pill, and eat it alone without her husband knowing. After she ate it, her body became to float and she flied to the moon, to live there alone forever as her punishment, with only one rabbit being her companion.

Sounds familiar? Yep I believe if you are a Naruto fan, you can make a lot of connections.

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by dbllxr on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:34AM (#18815826)
In one (more romantic) version of the lore, the Mystic Realm awarded Hou Yi (the husband) the Immortal Pill/Potion after he prevented the earth from being scorched. He and Chang'e were going to both take the potion so they can be together forever. A group of bandits heard about the potion, and broke into their home while Hou Yi was away, Chang'e had no choice but to swallow the potion entirely and that gave her divine powers in addition to immortality, she was able to escape and ascend into Heaven, and because she's no longer human, she and Hou Yi were forever separated...
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by scotty79 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @05:40AM (#18814192)
> with only one rabbit being her companion.

So that's why one of their rovers was called "Jade Rabbit"

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by freeflight on Friday January 04, 2019 @09:07AM (#18824095)
The "moon rabbit" [0] is a rather popular interpretation of the Moons surface in Asian folklore.

Japanese/Korean people believe the rabbit is pounding the ingredients for rice cake.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rabbit

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by dempseye on Thursday January 03, 2019 @04:27AM (#18813873)
The trisolarian plot in Cixin Liu's The Three Body Problem also seems to have borrowed from this myth.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by sthomas1618 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:35AM (#18816366)
Having read (and enjoyed) that trilogy, I'm not making the connection. Which part?
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by nitrogen on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:56AM (#18816618)
There is a 3-star system that causes periodic droughts on a planet in the system based on which star(s) the planet's semi-stable orbit crosses.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by headsupftw on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:00PM (#18817308)
In the novel, the three-body civilization would go extinct if there are two or three suns in the sky.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by teacpde on Thursday January 03, 2019 @07:07PM (#18820711)
And to add to that the relay satellite is named Queqiao (鹊桥, Megapie Bridge). It is how the separated lovers Zhinv (织女, Vega) and Niulang (牛郎, Altair) meet once every year. Zhinv is the seventh daughter of the Yuhuangdai (the god of gods, like Zeus), and fell in love with human Niulang. After discovering with anger, Wuangmuniangniang (wife of Yuhuangdadi, like Hera) separated the two with the Milky Way. Touched by the love story of Zhinv and Niulang, the magpies form the Queqiao bridge to help them meet once a year on July 7, which became the Chinese Valentine (七夕).
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by codychan on Friday January 04, 2019 @02:42AM (#18822572)
Most of Chinese think Yuhuangdadi(玉皇大帝) and Wangmuniangniang(王母娘娘) are husband&wife, they work together to control all the gods(gods are not like western gods, they have 仙 and 神), but there are multiple versions of myths(books) and rumors mentioning them, none of them tells the relationship of them for sure, we can only deduce their relationship from the context. From different versions of sources, they can be: 1. husband&wife, 2. colleagues, 3. sister&brother, 4. mother&son.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by _void on Thursday January 03, 2019 @07:58AM (#18814713)
Smite fans will know all this lore as well :) Chang'e main here.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by pfdzm on Thursday January 03, 2019 @09:25AM (#18815265)
Nothing more fun than a duo Hou Yi/Chang’e lane with their respective wedding skins :)
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by glandium on Friday January 04, 2019 @09:27AM (#18824223)
And the rover, Yutu(玉兔) is the jade rabbit, who pounds a mortar and pestle in Guanghan Palace on the moon. She later escapes to earth and Chang'e brings her back to the moon in 西遊記 (Journey to the West) right before Sun Wukong (孫悟空; japanese reading: Son Gokū; yes, like in Dragonball, heavily based on 西遊記) defeats her.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by rukuu001 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @04:52AM (#18813974)
Beautiful story, thanks for sharing :)
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by stcredzero on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:38PM (#18817065)
The legend "Chang'e flies to the moon" (嫦娥奔月) lies behind the Mid-Autumn Festival (featuring mooncakes, as it were). Point is, the names of Chinese space missions are every bit as carefully steeped in tradition as, say, Mercury/Gemini/Apollo.

The People's Republic of China doesn't think of itself as a "Nation State." Instead, it thinks of itself as a "civilization state." A part of PRC's self appointed charge is to prevent the marginalization of Chinese civilization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imhUmLtlZpw

When I was working in Houston, it was a regular occurrence for me to meet yet another Chinese born employee of whatever corporation I was in, who would soon after ask me if I could read Chinese characters, then say it was a "shame" I couldn't. I'm not even Chinese, so I find this a bit parochial. I'm aware of the importance of Chinese characters in the culture of East Asia, but still, there's something a bit too self important about it.

Now, many years later, I'm married to a Chinese woman. Even she gives me this guff! It's like they're trying to match the attitude level of the French.

(EDIT: If you know of something wonderful more people should know about, most of the time, you should try to share it as a direct experience. That way, you're more likely to get across the magic and you're less likely to come across as a lecture.)

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by swampthing on Thursday January 03, 2019 @03:04PM (#18818722)
That's very interesting to hear. I wonder if it is something specific to that corporation, or perhaps your role at the corporation, though? All the Chinese-born people I know would be pretty surprised if any non-Chinese person could read Chinese.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by stcredzero on Thursday January 03, 2019 @04:25PM (#18819442)
All the Chinese-born people I know would be pretty surprised if any non-Chinese person could read Chinese.

My experience is that attitudes are often quite different if you look like a Chinese person.

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by kenver on Thursday January 03, 2019 @05:09PM (#18819825)
I don't think that attitude is unique to Chinese people. My experience is based on my name rather than looks. Whenever people from my father's country ask me my name, they suddenly expect me to speak their language - and then to tell me what a shame it is when I don't. I've seen the same for British Germans, Polish and Vietnamese too!
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by stcredzero on Thursday January 03, 2019 @07:11PM (#18820732)
One of my computer science professors who defected from Cold War Hungary was very anxious to meet me. It turns out that my Korean Catholic name is also a perfectly cromulent Hungarian name!
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by swampthing on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:36PM (#18821769)
Well, that makes sense. If they thought you were a Chinese person, I could see why they would have asked you if you could read Chinese.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by stcredzero on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:09PM (#18825631)
By that point in the conversation, however, I had already conveyed that my parents were from Korea, and I was born and had grown up here.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by godelski on Thursday January 03, 2019 @07:57PM (#18821042)
As someone who is learning Chinese (and VERY bad at it), (almost) every Chinese person I've met has been super encouraging and helpful. Most of them are surprised I'm learning it at all. But they also express encouragement differently, so I'm wondering if it is a misunderstanding.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by stcredzero on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:14PM (#18825678)
That could well be. Some aspects of culture are quite subtle. There was this thing where, whenever some driver in traffic made me brake hard, my Chinese born wife would shout, "BE CAREFUL!" Well, here's the thing: I am very careful. I couldn't be blamed for any of those incidents. It's precisely that I'm careful that I was able to avoid a collision. It seemed very unfair that I should be blamed for any of these incidents. (Example, the car ahead of me spots a parking space at the last minute, then slams on his brakes to get the parking spot.)

So after about the 5th time like that, we had the argument. It turns out that she was just being scared and telling me to be careful, not knowing how an English speaker would take that contextually.

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by mrunkel on Friday January 04, 2019 @05:42AM (#18823089)
Well, it is actually a shame. And by that I mean why wouldn't it benefit anyone to gain access to what is probably as much writing about philosophy, history, etc. as what one is currently exposed to?

You should also keep in mind that the people that are saying this to you have already learned a complete another language and alphabet (since they are presumably communicating with you in English).

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by stcredzero on Friday January 04, 2019 @12:17PM (#18825713)
Well, it is actually a shame.

Asking someone to be ashamed of not having entirely elective knowledge isn't "live and let live." Nor would that strike me as being likely to be productive. Instead, you should describe how desirable and rewarding that knowledge is.

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by mrunkel on Monday January 07, 2019 @11:39AM (#18846683)
In my understanding saying "that's a shame" is equivalent to "that's really too bad," and not, "you should be ashamed of your self."

Maybe my interpretation isn't that common? (pause to google)

Apparently it is the common accepted meaning:

https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/it-s-a-shame-what-a-s...

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by caycep on Thursday January 03, 2019 @06:16PM (#18820326)
that being said, in Chinese culture and education...lecturing is more of a thing. All these new agey experiential education has yet to sink in the mainland yet..
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by dhruvparamhans on Monday January 07, 2019 @03:23AM (#18843656)
And yet we tolerate the french...
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by ucarion on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:56PM (#18818632)
Are there any good sources on the Chinese space program's change in naming convention? It seems like the older programs have names like "Long March" or "The East is Red", but they've now converged to the more common tradition of using mythology/mysticism.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by gherkin1 on Friday January 04, 2019 @09:55AM (#18824393)
Queqiao(magpies bridge), name of the relay satellite for Chang'e is from another Chinese tale 'The Cowherd and the Weaver Girl '[0], related to Qixi Festival[1]. Queqiao is the bridge built by magpies to help Zhinü and Niulang to reunite.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cowherd_and_the_Weaver_Gir...

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qixi_Festival

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Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by dang on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:23PM (#18817582)
Can you please not post unsubstantive comments to HN, especially nasty ones?

The interesting thing about the comment was the information about that specific name, not the generic point about naming things. Since you could have responded to either, it would be good to remember this guideline: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

It would also be good to review all of https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and not to be a jerk to other users.

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by xupybd on Thursday January 03, 2019 @07:04AM (#18814503)
They have to be careful then. Apollo now means more about the moon landings than the old traditions to me. I don’t know if that’s something the Chinese would like to have happen to their traditions.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by rsynnott on Thursday January 03, 2019 @08:38AM (#18814963)
Unless you're an ancient Greek, that isn't particularly surprising; it was not part of current traditions when used as the name of a spacecraft.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by xanipher on Thursday January 03, 2019 @09:16AM (#18815202)
Learning about the gods of old greece and their stories is still part of the curriculum in a lot of European countries. I doubt most would think of the Moon Landing first.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by riffraff on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:08PM (#18818137)
I grew up watching Japanese anime which reference ancient Greek mythology.

Pollon[0], for example, focuses on a daughter of Apollo. I didn't even know the "man on the moon" thing was called Apollo until I was in high school.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Pollon

Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by bhhaskin on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:58AM (#18816637)
Same here in the states.
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by martimarkov on Thursday January 03, 2019 @08:05AM (#18814737)
Or Battlestar Galactica. XD
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by pastor_elm on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:35AM (#18815829)
better than what Nike is now
Re:China lands Chang'e-4 on far side of Moon by philwelch on Thursday January 03, 2019 @04:15PM (#18819336)
The swoosh logo of the Nike company supposedly resembles the wings of the goddess Nike as seen in some ancient sculptures.