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Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by nradov on Friday December 21, 2018 @01:15AM (#18731718)
One of my colleagues is a vegetarian. He went on a business trip to Texas and his associates took him out for dinner at a steak house. After reading the menu he asked the waitress, "Do you have anything that isn't meat?" She thought for a moment and cheerfully replied "We have chicken!"
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by themodelplumber on Friday December 21, 2018 @02:27AM (#18731930)
That is funny. I had a kind of opposite experience, when I was struggling with a bad reaction to gluten. My wife and I went to a burger joint in Utah called "Mooyah" where I ordered a burger on a gluten-free bun. As soon as those words left my mouth, the cashier asked, "allergy or preference?"

Stunned and wondering if I was being criticized, I said "allergy" only to learn that if you say that, they have to clean all possible traces of gluten off of their equipment before they make your burger.

"Allergy!" Then the action started. As I watched two employees vigorously wipe down all this stuff just to make one burger, I felt alternately shocked, amazed, well-served, and embarrassed. Others in the restaurant looked at me like I was from another planet.

Anyway, that was one of the best gluten-free buns I've ever tasted.

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by CaptainZapp on Friday December 21, 2018 @09:13AM (#18733387)
And that's exactly the reason why people are total inconsiderate assholes if they claim alergies for something they just dislike. I look with disdain and revulsion at scuh idiots!

Imagine a busy restaurant, Saturday evening, 8:30 and you claim to be alergic to something. The kitchen must pull a five alarm drill in the middle of their busiest time. Make sure that all cutting boards are replaced, for example, everything must be cleaned thoroughly and they must be damn sure that there's no cross contamination whatsoever.

And all because an asshole lied and claimed to be allergic, while in reality she dislikes pineapple.

If you are really allergic to something please, please call ahead and talk with the restaurant, so that they can make appropriate preparations, without having to essentially lock down the kitchen for 15 minutes.

The worst is that people that claim allergies, or gluten intollerance without this being true hurt other people, who really cannot tollerate certain foods.

So your story makes total sense and the place really seems to care. But just imagine the same action in a full blown restaurant kitchen with a number of lines, which all need to be decontaminated during their busiest time.

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by notacoward on Friday December 21, 2018 @11:05AM (#18734135)
I was on a work trip once with a colleague who was both gluten- and lactose-intolerant. While there, we went to dinner at an Italian place in northern New Jersey. I wish I could remember the name. When she asked the waiter about dishes that she could eat, they brought out a whole menu full of stuff. Turns out one of the owner's relatives had the same killer combo. My colleague - no softie, far tougher than I am in many ways - was almost in tears. She couldn't just find something. She got to choose among many dishes that she actually wanted to eat. For people who truly for-real have these kinds of issues, that can be an unimaginable luxury.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by bloak on Friday December 21, 2018 @11:22AM (#18734288)
"Allergy or preference?" is an interesting question. For many people the answer would be neither: they suffer physical pain if they eat a significant amount of wheat - half a slice of bread might be enough to produce symptoms, for example - but it's not technically an allergy and it's not life-threatening. You don't need to use different equipment for these people, but you should carefully check the list of ingredients.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by yakshaving_jgt on Sunday December 30, 2018 @06:09AM (#18788553)
I wasn’t aware an allergy had to be life-threatening to be classified as such. In fact, double-checking with a dictionary confirms it isn’t defined that way.

I grew up allergic to chlorine (swimming pools). The allergic reaction was/is eczema. This was not life threatening. For the past 12 years I’ve suffered from pollen allergy annually. Also not life-threatening.

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by jefftk on Friday December 21, 2018 @11:39AM (#18734443)
I think that's what they're trying to get at with "preference", but I agree that word's connotations are a bit too weak.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by rewgs on Friday December 21, 2018 @06:16PM (#18737589)
To be clear, it often takes a hell of a lot less than a half a slice of bread. That much gluten is a nuclear bomb for me. I'm fucked for days.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by firethief on Friday December 21, 2018 @02:42PM (#18735936)
Some people have celiac disease, which is immune-system related (though not technically an allergy), and can be sensitive in the low ppm, not slices
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by notacoward on Friday December 21, 2018 @03:49PM (#18736521)
In many states, the answer (or even whether one was sought/given) is going to mean a lot in terms of law, liability, and insurance.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by Fnoord on Saturday December 22, 2018 @11:39AM (#18741239)
Yes, that's called gluten intolerance.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by WrtCdEvrydy on Friday December 21, 2018 @02:45AM (#18731971)
Most proper places will ask since people saying preference are okay with a bit of cross-contamination.

I saw a burger place do a full cleandown because someone was allergic to something in one of the sauces, it was the most coordinated thing I ever saw.

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by Moru on Friday December 21, 2018 @02:43AM (#18731966)
You can see this when you say seafood allergy at good sushi places too. If you say allergy, they say "New cutting board, new gloves" to the chef. Sushi is a bit easier for allergy orders :-)
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by throwmeback on Friday December 21, 2018 @02:29AM (#18731936)
That's amazingly considerate.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by alistairSH on Friday December 21, 2018 @08:22AM (#18733097)
As a celiac, I wish it were more common.

Celiac in the US shockingly misunderstood. The current gluten-free fad doesn't help.

Of the places I've visited since being diagnosed, Italy was BY FAR the best for eating out while celiac. Rome has some of the best gluten-free pizza. Florence was no slouch. And if a restaurant is not comfortable serving you (small kitchen, impossible to clean properly, not trained, whatever), they'll tell you up front so you can go elsewhere.

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by CaptainZapp on Friday December 21, 2018 @09:15AM (#18733399)
The current gluten-free fad doesn't help.

And that's exactly why this pisses me off so much. It massively hurts people like you, who really cannot tolerate certain food stuff.

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by dbdjfjrjvebd on Friday December 21, 2018 @04:50AM (#18732352)
I think its legally required in many places. In others it is about not being sued. And for all kitchen staff it is fairly important not to poison people!
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by sizzle on Friday December 21, 2018 @03:40PM (#18736429)
Would you entertain the idea of a database of verifiable gluten sensitive people that the seating host validates upon check-in which affords this 'clean glove' type of dining experience across all sit down establishments? You maybe enroll in this service through a physician so it's legit and they can't question you about it along the lines of not being able to question the need for a service dog.

I think this would lock out all the people who ruin it for the ones that need it most and lower the burden on the kitchen staff. Thoughts?

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by xkcd-sucks on Friday December 21, 2018 @08:10PM (#18738193)
It sounds good in theory. In practice it would probably turn out like mmj cards where anyone sufficiently rich can get a five minute gluten certification. And people without regular healthcare can't, but hey they're poor and shouldn't be going to restaurants. And tourists. Add to that the extra bureaucratic load on the restaurant workers.

Maybe restaurants could contract out to a dedicated GF meal service? Or have some fancy frozen GF meals available?

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by mehrdadn on Friday December 21, 2018 @02:30AM (#18731937)
Mildly relevant (and amusing) video on how to avoid this situation. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orybDrUj4vA
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by throwmeback on Friday December 21, 2018 @02:28AM (#18731933)
In a certain episode[1] of a Polish TV dating show, one of the contestants said their favourite fish is a fillet "because you can buy it anywhere".

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS3gsxAkBDk

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by etiennemarcel on Friday December 21, 2018 @04:26AM (#18732255)
In France, fish is often considered a valid vegetarian option.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by junga on Friday December 21, 2018 @05:29AM (#18732499)
In my german 80‘s childhood I learned this too. Vegetarians don‘t eat mammal‘s meat but fish is okay. For whatever reason.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by bananicorn on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:22AM (#18733806)
There's a term for people who don't eat meat, but eat fish: Pescetarians.

I'd rather have it clear that people use the right terms, since some will probably complain about being given only vegetables when there was fish available, whilst happily claiming they are vegatarian.

it's almost like claiming that you are vegan when you are vegatarian.

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by moreira on Friday December 21, 2018 @06:22AM (#18732690)
I believe the reason is Catholicism. A sibling poster mentioned it being a thing in Poland as well (catholic), and I remember when I was a kid, on Fridays you would not eat meat, but fish was OK.

Having that tradition, that every Friday you don't eat meat, but fish is acceptable, seems to colour your perspective when thinking about what is being a vegetarian.

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by JetSpiegel on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:46PM (#18744089)
That's before Easter only, it is supposed to be about eating plainly. The 'no meat' thing is an historical residue, some fishes are actually more expensive than chicken, for example.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by liotier on Friday December 21, 2018 @05:54AM (#18732593)
My teenage daughter's vegetarianism is about not knowingly eating cute animals - fishes are not cute enough for her. She'll happily eat meat-flavoured vegetables from dishes where cook and vegetables cook together. Whatever floats your boat - I'll respect that !
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by 317070 on Friday December 21, 2018 @07:02AM (#18732836)
Here's the thing, in my opinion, that is the best attitude toward vegetarianism. One of the reasons we still slaughter so many animals, is that there is this misconception that for some reason, vegetarianism is an all or nothing type of thing. If our culture were more akin to, `I don't like meat like I don't like candy`, animal consumption would drop considerably. Both candy and meat are tasteful, but candy is bad for your body and therefore you will not have it every day. The other is bad for the planet (and your body too!). Yet, you should for some reason either eat it every day, or alternatively never at all.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by quantum_magpie on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:12AM (#18733740)
Try giving her a lobster in shell. I as an adult got the opportunity to try Maine lobster; never again. The whole process felt like dissecting someone who I'd rather play with.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by justtopost on Friday December 21, 2018 @12:50PM (#18735012)
Prepared correctly that situation could be quite the ethical connundrum. I find bacon alone to have a nonzero effect on 'reforming' vegetarians.

My personal rule is to avoid factory farmed meat. 100% effective when buying for home, but I admittedly compromise when eating out, but by asking each time I plant the seed I hope. I do, as an omnivore, think everyone should see, and take some part in, raising, and slaughtering livestock before it becomes a staple of your diet. Meat comes from animals that died for you, not the store. Respecting that has more impact than blanket-avoidance in my eyes.

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by krzyk on Friday December 21, 2018 @08:31AM (#18733146)
Same in Poland, some colleagues from India were very disappointed when they looked at the menu and saw vegetarian fish.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by odiroot on Friday December 21, 2018 @05:37AM (#18732528)
It's the same when I was growing up in Poland.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by badpun on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:08AM (#18733702)
In Poland it's not about vegetarianism (until recently, nobody cared about not eating animals), but about religious (catholic) traditions. From what I've heard, the logic for fish being allowed is, in Jesus time, meat was expensive, while fish was cheap. So, you fasted by abstaining from eating the fancy meat and only eating the pedestrian fish.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by DyslexicAtheist on Friday December 21, 2018 @02:22AM (#18731914)
lol she was right too!
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by DyslexicAtheist on Friday December 21, 2018 @05:07AM (#18732418)
not sure why this was downvoted. i'm not native English speaker and would have assumed chicken is poultry not meat
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by pbhjpbhj on Friday December 21, 2018 @07:45AM (#18732982)
"Meat" is the flesh of any animal. So poultry is just a type of meat; frogs legs, fish, octopus, worms, all "meat".

Not sure about insects, but I think they'd be called "meat" too in culinary terms.

(Native British-English user.)

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by thatcat on Friday December 21, 2018 @08:55AM (#18733283)
Yes, insects are meat. The kernel of a nut is called nut meat, even though it is not made from muscle fibers.

I think the line is drawn at poultry and fish sometimes because the input costs are so much lower than mammalian meat. CO2 taxes would incentivize this sort of vegetarianism.

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by pbhjpbhj on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:01AM (#18733659)
>The kernel of a nut is called nut meat, //

It can be, but it's exceedingly rare IME.

I'm trying to remember but can't quite, there are other non-flesh things someone referred to as meat too, after a similar line to your nut example. It's an analogy, you peel back the skin and underneath is the "flesh" (like a peach, or any fruit).

You could say, when carving a pumpkin, "get right in to the meat of it", but it's euphemistic in this case.

English language is crazy.

Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by cimmanom on Friday December 21, 2018 @09:19AM (#18733414)
In addition to what everyone has said about "poultry" being a subset of "meat", if you want to specify mammal flesh in English, you typically have to say "red meat". Of course, there are some who don't consider pork to be red meat, and round and round we go.
Re:Gluten Free Antarctica by laktak on Friday December 21, 2018 @05:59AM (#18732613)