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Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by hellofunk on Sunday September 23, 2018 @04:53PM (#18053120)
I wish I could use it but it has serious performance problems on macOS. I tried and it was just terrible. (thought not all Mac users have problems, quite a number do, and Mozilla has an open issue asking for debugging logs from Macs to find the reasons).
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by jwr on Sunday September 23, 2018 @09:59PM (#18054513)
If you are on MacOS, why don't you use Safari?

I'm puzzled as to why people seem to dismiss the "built-in" browser. It's the fastest, smoothest, best integrated, and least power-hungry browser on the platform. I regularly use all three major browsers (for testing, I write web applications) and I consistently switch back to Safari for all my non-special browsing.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by wyclif on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:19PM (#18054793)
This past weekend I tried Safari again when I saw it updated to version 12. I was surprised to see that Apple deactivated my uBlock Origin plugin, saying it would slow the browser down. So now Safari is unusable and filled with ads, and there's nothing Apple provides to replace uBlock Origin. This is a total show-stopper for me.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by metafunctor on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:55PM (#18054897)
It’s really just a suggestion to turn off some extensions. Haven’t bothered to figure out what triggers Safari to do that, but you can still run uBlock Origin on Safari 12 and it seems to work fine.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by saagarjha on Monday September 24, 2018 @12:33AM (#18055049)
> Haven’t bothered to figure out what triggers Safari to do that

Safari has a new extensions model and will be deprecating the legacy one in a year. Hence the push to migrate to newer extensions.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by sweetp on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:38AM (#18055502)
the new extensions model is ridiculously useless... You need to build your extension in Xcode now, and for anything other than content blocking, the APIs are non existent... for instance, you can't even close tabs!

I made an extremely simple extension using the new model around 2months - before I try migrating an older "actually useful" extension. But theres just no way its possible to migrate.

Apple doesn't care about browser extensions now, it seems they want everyone to move to the new model, so they can collect revenue on sales on ad blockers.

:(

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by akvadrako on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:02AM (#18055824)
This is wrong - you can inject arbitrary scripts and styles:

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/saf...

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by wild_preference on Monday September 24, 2018 @10:08AM (#18057756)
You didn’t reply to or contradict anything they said. You need Xcode to build extensions and Safari has a super limited API. Executing JS and CSS don’t address either.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by akvadrako on Monday September 24, 2018 @12:44PM (#18059148)
He didn’t say limited, he said nonexistent.

More specifically, if you can inject scripts I don’t see why you couldn’t call window.close()

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by tgragnato on Monday September 24, 2018 @03:53AM (#18055789)
> Apple doesn't care about browser extensions now, it seems they want everyone to move to the new model, so they can collect revenue on sales on ad blockers.

The web is terrible without a serious adblocker and the available alternatives (paid or not) are unable to take away the same amount of junk. People will simply start using another browser.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by saagarjha on Monday September 24, 2018 @12:32AM (#18055045)
Apple doesn't provide a replacement extension, but they do vend a replacement API, the content blocking API. There are many extensions that use this.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by peterkelly on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:12AM (#18055414)
You can turn it back on. Go to Preferences -> Extensions and check "uBlock Origin". I've been using Safari 12 since it came out and uBlock Origin works with it just fine.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by akvadrako on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:01AM (#18055816)
You can get the Adblock Plus app, which using the new API.

This is a tradeoff Apple made valuing privacy and performance over user freedom. The new content blocking API is safer and faster.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by jurip on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:56PM (#18054905)
I haven't tried uBlock Origin, but I'm running 1Blocker and Ka-Block! and they filter out most of the worst offenders.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by merpnderp on Monday September 24, 2018 @10:22AM (#18057888)
You might be thankful it was deactivated - it might have not been legit.

https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari/issues/69

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by euvitudo on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:57PM (#18054909)
I just use uBlock Origin anyway (basically ignore the message). I don't see a difference in performance with the plugin when I updated to v12 on my mid-2010 MBP (it's slow anyway, so /shrug).
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by briandear on Monday September 24, 2018 @12:31AM (#18055039)
Don’t use uBlock, but content blockers on Safari work really well for me. There is also quite a lot of built in privacy protection already.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by therealmarv on Monday September 24, 2018 @07:43AM (#18056833)
same happened with Adguard and this was using non deprecated APIs (uBlock Origin was and is clearly using deprecated APIs). It seems for blocking stuff Apple changed the whole SDK on the browser!
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by ino on Sunday September 23, 2018 @10:57PM (#18054712)
One thing I don't like is having a 30% chance to have to wait 2-4 seconds whenever I swipe to go to the previous page or click the back button.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by peheje on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:59AM (#18055343)
This. This a thousand times. I get these random slow downs as well with safari. But only every once in a while. What is happening?
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by SeaSeaRider on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:11AM (#18055870)
Ah so it’s not just me!
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by epicide on Sunday September 23, 2018 @10:20PM (#18054588)
I keep trying to use Safari as my main browser. I want to use it so bad.

I keep switching away from it due to lack of favicons and lack of extensions. I don't personally mind paying for a dev license to release an extension, but it definitely takes a toll on the extensions that get released.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by valleyer on Sunday September 23, 2018 @10:25PM (#18054602)
Safari shows favicons in tab titles in macOS v10.14 Mojave.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by jurip on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:54PM (#18054894)
It's a Safari 12 feature, so works on macOS 10.13 too.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by geerlingguy on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:55PM (#18054900)
And Safari 12 on High Sierra.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by om2 on Monday September 24, 2018 @06:19AM (#18056437)
And on the topic of this thread, Safari also has the best privacy protections: <https://webkit.org/blog/8311/intelligent-tracking-prevention....
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by IloveHN84 on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:02AM (#18055820)
Do you use Internet Explorer on your Windows Box?
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by mrcnkoba on Monday September 24, 2018 @06:41AM (#18056536)
For me the biggest reason not to use Safari was that I couldn't paste screen snippets or images from a clipboard (e.g. Web Whatsapp etc). But after your comment I tried and they seem to have implemented it. Maybe even in Safari 12.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by mschuetz on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:38AM (#18055499)
Safari doesn't support WebGL2 and probably never will because of Apple's stance on OpenGL. Disqualifies it for me and I've had to tell customers that I can't support it, even if they'd pay for it.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by mike22223333 on Monday September 24, 2018 @03:07AM (#18055610)
We're moving to WebGPU now, there will be no more WebGL in the future. WebGPU is coming out in late 2019.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by om2 on Monday September 24, 2018 @06:24AM (#18056454)
It’s on in Safari Technology Preview: https://webkit.org/status/#specification-webgl-2

We have no particular stance against it, though I agree with the other poster that WebGL is more the future.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by mschuetz on Monday September 24, 2018 @12:10PM (#18058878)
Ah, that's good to hear. WebGL2 has lot's of useful features, glad to see Safari is going to support them, too.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by augustl on Monday September 24, 2018 @05:20AM (#18056145)
Because I can't sync history and bookmarks to my Android phone or my Windows gaming PC.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by the_clarence on Monday September 24, 2018 @05:13AM (#18056116)
It lacks tree style tabs.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by wild_preference on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:26AM (#18055233)
It has the worst UX. It doesn't show favicons on tabs. It has the worst selection of extensions: https://redditenhancementsuite.com/safari/. Everything just seems to be worse than Firefox/Chrome from the developer tools to extension development (you need Xcode).

To use Safari, you pretty much need to decide that performance / battery life are more important than anything else which only describes my needs when I need to milk my battery when it hits 10% with no electric outlet in sight.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by tbassetto on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:02AM (#18055362)
Safari 12 can show favicons on tabs now :o)

This is how to enable it: https://lifehacker.com/how-to-enable-safari-favicons-on-mac-...

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by wingworks on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:01AM (#18055817)
Sadly not for the favourites bar yet, which is the biggest thing holding me back so far. :( (+ the UI just seems so clunky and old compared to Chrome)
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by speg on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:13AM (#18055876)
As a counterpoint; I think the Safari UI is the lightest and gets out of my way. I am I the only one who actually likes the lack of favicons? Very minimalist and gets out of the way to let me do my surfing.

I do use Chrome during development though.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by wodenokoto on Monday September 24, 2018 @07:44AM (#18056839)
It does have some ux benefits too. The "back gesture" works much better than on other browsers. Firefox gives no feedback, and chrome gives very poor feedback.

Safari lets you peek at the previous page, and makes it very obvious that you are about to go back, without any performance hit.

It also comes with reading mode, which chrome doesn't. Even with an ad blocker, many pages are still layed out in ways that can only be summed up as reader hostile.

So for reading and moving between pages, I feel like it beats both ffx and chrome. So I disagree with your "more important than anything else" part, but agree that performance and battery is among its top features, and if you don't care for that, safari does become a hard choice.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by wild_preference on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:30AM (#18057475)
We all care about about battery life performance. This comments section is filled with people like me who want to use Safari and give it a serious try every once in a while for that exact reason.

But it needs more than that when my battery already lasts 6+ hours under heavy use and my laptop is plugged in almost all day anyways.

Perhaps you can see how a reading mode that we already had extensions for in other browsers and sexier prev/next gestures damn it with weak praise.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by jwr on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:49AM (#18057632)
Well, it does show favicons on tabs (with the recent update). I'm not sure what you mean "everything seems to be worse", I haven't found this to be the case. As for extensions, there are indeed fewer Safari extensions than for other browsers. I checked and I regularly use only: 1Password, Ghostery, AdBlock and Harvest.

As I said, it provides the best performance, experience and battery life.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by metahost on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:57AM (#18055336)
Safari has just added favicon support for pinned tabs.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by arsenico on Monday September 24, 2018 @10:47AM (#18058127)
Also privacy and security, since today's Mojave release.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by brian-armstrong on Sunday September 23, 2018 @04:56PM (#18053137)
Strange. I almost exclusively use OSX (El Cap) and haven't had performance issues asides from needing to restart the browser once a month or so. Hopefully they get those problems resolved soon, the browser is super quick when it's working right.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by rosser on Sunday September 23, 2018 @09:28PM (#18054395)
Are you using a "scaled" resolution? If so, there's a bug in redrawing that pegs a core, and kills battery life.

It can be mitigated by setting

  gfx.compositor.glcontext.opaque = true
in about:config, but the fix is invasive, and has taken years to get prioritized and worked on. I've seen reports that it should finally be done in FF64 or 65.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by uglycoyote on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:34PM (#18053381)
I find that I cannot watch a YouTube video on my MacBook in Firefox for more than 10 seconds without the fans coming on at full throttle. This is one of the few reasons that I start up chrome, as strangely I can watch the same video in chrome without performance issues. I haven't had this issue on Firefox on PC
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by hrktb on Monday September 24, 2018 @03:50AM (#18055777)
Google properties are a lost battle.

Google Sheets and Google Docs have been horrible on anything than Chrome for a while as well, and I guess they have no incentive to make that situation change. Firefox is dealing with it better than before I think, but I won’t hold my breath for parity to ever come.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by colanderman on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:42PM (#18053409)
Disable "Automatic graphics switching" in "Energy Saver" in OS X settings. This fixed this problem for me (which started about 4 months ago).

(I'm on Yosemite.)

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by fernly on Monday September 24, 2018 @12:24AM (#18055017)
I'm on Yosemite and I don't see anything like that in the energy saver preference pane.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by joethebro on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:19AM (#18055212)
That setting will only appear if you have a 15" with a dedicated GPU. 13" only have "Energy Saving" integrated graphics and don't need the setting
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by scns on Monday September 24, 2018 @05:46AM (#18056274)
Try the h264ify extension, it forces h264 video instead of webm, you can block 60fps videos too if you want to halve the size of the download.

If your cpu does not have a webm decoder in hardware, it has to decode them in software which is inefficient.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by bmurphy1976 on Sunday September 23, 2018 @08:00PM (#18054068)
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522

It's pretty bad. Firefox cuts my battery life in half doing nothing.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by hellofunk on Sunday September 23, 2018 @08:06PM (#18054094)
Also, on my 2-year old MacBook Pro, the thing heats up pretty bad and the fans go on quite loud. It's terrible. I've actually never run any application on my laptop that performs as bad as Firefox, and that's saying something.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by torstenvl on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:52PM (#18053771)
There is a significant (maybe 0.4-0.5 seconds?) lag between the cursor hovering over something and it's hover action (highlight, whatever) taking place.

Running my mouse down the list in about:config feels like I'm drunk.

This is on a brand new maxed out i7 MacBook Pro.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by torstenvl on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @04:52PM (#18070370)
As a follow-up, I did a complete reinstall of Firefox with a new profile, removed as much cruft as I could (pocket, etc.), upped the content process limit... and I feel like Firefox is much more usable. There's still some lag, but it's more on the order of 0.05 - 0.1 seconds.

Now if I could just get it to be reasonable about search engines...

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by zmw on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:55PM (#18053490)
GP claims that FF performance is terrible, which I cannot endorse (I guess GP might be having an actual issue), but I'll make a different claim: performance is not as good as Chrome (or maybe even Safari), despite all the accolades of FF Quantum, and my myriad attempts to switch to FF. The (at least perceived) inferiority of performance in addition to general UI ugliness makes it a no switch for me.

P.S. macOS 10.13.6.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by mirthflat83 on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:29PM (#18053654)
funny, I personally find the new Chrome look to be much uglier
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by euvitudo on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:58PM (#18054917)
When I first saw the Chrome update, I thought: "Hey, it looks just like Firefox!"
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by zmw on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:17AM (#18055196)
Sorry, if that was your thought, I’m afraid all design is probably lost on you. Which might be a blessing, since you can use whatever and can’t tell the difference anyway.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by vetinari on Monday September 24, 2018 @07:10AM (#18056664)
It can be switched back (for now)...

Go to chrome://flags, search for "UI Layout for the browser's top chrome" and pick "Normal". Restart and enjoy the old design.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by itsmenotyou on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:29PM (#18053354)
Same here, almost exclusive FF user on OSX (Sierra) and never had any issues
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by Kpourdeilami on Sunday September 23, 2018 @04:57PM (#18053154)
I gave up on Firefox on OS X for performance reasons and switched to Safari a while ago and it’s a decent browser. It has support for extensions that I use (ublock origin and 1Password), uses less battery than any other browser, and is fast
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by JohnBooty on Monday September 24, 2018 @08:50AM (#18057222)
I hear about "FF performance issues on Mac" and I just don't get it.

I believe all of the people who report this, but it's not something I experience. Here's my usage pattern:

- 50+ hours in a browser each week

- Regular use of both FF and Chrome with very occasional use of Safari (I'm a developer of web apps)

- FF has been my primary browser for 15 years or so

- Used on a variety of Macs (2006, 2008, 2011, 2013, and 2015 MBPs with 8-16GB RAM)

- Running uBlock Origin in all browsers FWIW

...so, anecdotal, but pretty extensive.

I never had major problems with FF in the pre-Quantum days. Chrome always felt snappier than FF, and Safari felt snappier than both, but the differences were not huge and FF was "fine." And now since Quantum, FF is on par with Chrome for me in general.

The one time FF feels like a pig for me is on Google-owned web apps like Gmail.

For many years, Gmail and Gsuite apps were lightning fast on FF. But in the last few years it has gotten slower and slower on everything but Chrome. Hmmm, wonder why.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by Kpourdeilami on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:07AM (#18057323)
Firefox on OS X (Macbook Pro 2017 and 2015):

- uses 100% CPU even when idle

- frame rate drops to 2-3 per second for 5-10 seconds when switching tabs

- causes other programs to not work properly because it is using too much CPU

I have tried uninstalling the browser and re-installing OS X but it didn't solve those issues. I read somewhere it is a bug that pops up when you have display resolution scaling on and I think it applies to me because I have two 4k monitors set at 2x scaling.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by JohnBooty on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:46PM (#18059705)

    uses 100% CPU even when idle
That sucks.

Anecdotally, I've never seen this, even when I had 1 external 4K and 1 external 2K connected. The whole OS was kind of sluggish at that point, but that was definitely asking a lot out of a puny integrated 3-year old laptop GPU so eh.

Just did a quick informal test with my current setup:

- MacOS High Sierra.

- 2015" MBP with no discrete GPU.

- Single 4K external monitor, 3008x1692 scaled resolution.

- uBlock is off.

With only a single blank tab open FF uses 0% CPU as expected. I opened three tabs: Facebook, Espn.com, and MSNBC.com. There was a brief flurry of CPU activity as the sites loaded, and FF's processes are now idling comfortably at 0-1%.

I repeated the process with Chrome and results were similar. One difference is that Chrome spawns 10x as many processes, but they seem to consume less memory each.

In both FF and Chrome, there's a palpable (500 or 750ms?) delay when switching tabs. In my experience a lot of Mac apps behave that way at scaled 4K resolutions.

I repeated this informal test in Safari and it "feels faster"; less CPU spike on initial site load and switching browser tabs feels close to instant.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by pixelrevision on Monday September 24, 2018 @11:18AM (#18058394)
Entirely anecdotal but I have noticed huge issues with Firefox when I hook my laptop up to a 4k display. My normal display is 1080p and no issues on the same machine.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by AJ007 on Monday September 24, 2018 @10:42AM (#18058090)
Well, the last update to Adwords aka Google Ads is now a clunky piece of shit on Chrome and FF.

I don't know if Google has gone too far with the A/B split testing and are picking winners solely on a most ad revenue metric or if they abandoned UX testing altogether. I suppose it could be a bit of both. May be their decision making AI is secretly optimizing Google in a destructive direction.. who knows.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by el_benhameen on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:40PM (#18053970)
I love how Safari sips battery on OS X, but its performance is glacial in my experience. With Chrome I can, for example, type “was” and hit return at normal typing speed and expect the browser to have autopopulated “washingtonpost.com” from my history and take me there. With Safari on the same newer high end macbook pro, autopopulate takes up to a few seconds, so hitting return takes me to the page half of the time and searches for “was” the other half of the time. Pages seem to take longer until the first meaningful content loads, too.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by simplify on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:46PM (#18054007)
I wonder what the issue is. My experience with safari on my old macbook air is speedy with no power problems.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by davb on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:24PM (#18053634)
I switched back to Chrome recently because the ublock origin port on Safari has been pretty broken recently. Setting third party domain blocking options in advanced mode doesn't seem to work any more (can't save the settings) and the extension doesn't seem to be maintained any more, judging by the github repo.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by torstenvl on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:50PM (#18053756)
The one major thing that keeps me from Safari is keyword searching. It's a major part of my browsing workflow and makes me so much more productive. Last I knew, you could assign hotkeys to bookmarks, but I don't think you could assign keywords and you couldn't use %s as a placeholder.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by nkurz on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:47PM (#18054010)
At first, I was confused, because I've been using this feature in Safari for years. But then I remembered that years ago I installed an extension called "Omnikey" that provides this: http://marioestrada.github.io/safari-omnikey/, https://safari-extensions.apple.com/details/?id=ec.mario.omn.... If this is the only thing holding you back from using Safari, install the extension and switch. It's been working so well for years that I forgot it wasn't built in.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by wyclif on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:21PM (#18054800)
Safari 12 no longer supports uBlock Origin. I discovered this over the past weekend. Without ad blocking, Safari is unusable for me.

EDIT: It seems AdBlock Plus has now come out with a new plugin that conforms to Apple's new API.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by e_proxus on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:43AM (#18055998)
It does, if you enable it again (or reinstall it from the Safari Extensions directory). However, I get the feeling it will only last for this version, since they seem to be closing down on JavaScript extensions in general.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by cimmanom on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:46PM (#18053738)
It’s been pretty good for me since Quantum. There is still a known issue with scaled monitor resolutions (which I do use), but it looks like fixes are in the pipeline.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by hellbanner on Sunday September 23, 2018 @04:58PM (#18053162)
Yep. And Google Voice runs horribly on iOS.. 20 second lag time to check messages, no joke. Earlier versions would freeze at the beginning of each character you type.

Makes me wonder if companies aren't just slowing down their competitors..

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by stefano on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:01PM (#18053177)
On iOS they can't use their own engine, everything is just a wrapper around webkit.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by eridius on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:17PM (#18053601)
WebKit isn't slow though.

Also the parent comment is about Google Voice, which is not a browser and therefore is not constrained by Apple's restrictions on 3rd-party browser engines.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by brian-armstrong on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:04PM (#18053196)
It's possible, but it's much more likely that off-platform teams just don't get much love from their orgs. iTunes on Windows comes to mind, for example.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by hellbanner on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @07:52PM (#18081231)
I would believe this, were it not that the google voice app continues to break in new ways version to version. The latest loads a little faster and isn't freezing as much (still a 10 second load, better than a 40 seconds of nothing). But now when I reply to messages? 19/20 messages I've tried to send through GV show "Message failed to send".
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by TheKarateKid on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:59PM (#18053806)
The timestamps on call and message lists don’t update properly either. Switching playback source (earpiece to speaker) often doesn’t work. Screen shuts off even when voicemail is still playing.

All this unfixed for years now.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by PakG1 on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:31PM (#18054830)
Really? When I complained about Firefox performance on macOS, I was downvoted by a lot of people. It almost made me consider if the problem was PEBKAC (problem exists between keyboard and chair). I am glad I'm not the only one. I wanted to love Firefox, but I can't because of this.

edit: reading all the comments in this thread, geez, I finally feel like I'm not a stupid user. :) The issues are real!

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by the_clarence on Monday September 24, 2018 @05:16AM (#18056128)
Yup. Firefox is slow as hell on my mac. I've tried everything and nothing works.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by Antrikshy on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:35AM (#18055253)
The current Firefox beta changeling has a couple items that suggest better performance on macOS:

"Faster tab switching in the majority of cases for our macOS users"

"Improved the reactivity of Firefox on macOS"

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/63.0beta/releasenotes

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by i_am_nomad on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:51PM (#18053766)
Sorry to sound naive, but is there a good reason (or a few) not to use Safari?
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by newscracker on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:30PM (#18053931)
One reason is that the variety and number of extensions available is far lesser on Safari compared to Firefox. If someone is dependent on several extensions, then it may be a no-go.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by jen729w on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:55PM (#18053784)
It's my daily browser of choice, FWIW, but is no good for development. The React dev tool plugin, for instance, is only available on Chrome & Firefox.

I'm trying to switch to Firefox but it certainly doesn't feel as snappy as Chrome when doing dev work. I do like some of the tools though. Still undecided.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by matwood on Monday September 24, 2018 @08:05AM (#18056951)
I use Safari for browsing and Chrome for development. Recent changes from Hangouts to Meet has also forced me to use Chrome for video chats.

I've never been a huge extension user (ad blockers and some development tools), so moving to Safari was easy. The big thing I missed was favicons, and those have been in the technology preview for awhile now.

I may explore FF for development, but I'm not sure there is a need since I've already relegated Chrome to a specific task.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by npolet on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @02:06PM (#18068885)
This is it. Safari really doesn't compare to chrome/firefox in terms of good developer tools. They are there, but no where near as useful/powerful.

I have noticed a few quirks in Safari that I have to work around. Like not rendering things exactly the same way as chrome/firefox. Bit of a pain, but there is never anything that's really "broken".

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by tapoxi on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:00PM (#18053172)
These issues seem like they’re (finally) fixed in the betas of Firefox 63.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by Larrikin on Sunday September 23, 2018 @09:50PM (#18054481)
What performance issues have you experienced? Chrome and Firefox run the same on my machine. The only time I switch to Chrome is when some Javascript developer has for some reason disabled click functionality in browsers besides Chrome. Most recently Bank of America has prevented click functionality on their cash back merchants.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by superflyguy on Monday September 24, 2018 @06:45AM (#18056552)
When that happens I just shift-right-click on them (in Firefox). There are add-ons if you don't want to have to do this.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by m12k on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:36AM (#18055963)
I wanted to ditch Chrome, so I tried Firefox on macOS and it took 3-5 seconds to load most sites while they load in 0.5-1.0 seconds in Chrome. I tried uninstalling (including deleting all profile data) and re-installing to see if that helped. This is as far as I got in trying to install uBlock Origin: https://gyazo.com/5850d1b0955c42b857de4ab302c8149b Tried viewing source, but that page just came out blank too. I really want to like Firefox, but the release version feels like an alpha test to me...
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by AsyncAwait on Monday September 24, 2018 @05:35AM (#18056214)
Yeah, this is specific to macOS. I also use Firefox on my Linux machine, where it's supper snappy. Kind of strange, considering a lot of Mozilla employees seem to be on MacBooks.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by pnenp on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:50AM (#18056024)
I just switched on my Ubuntu, following the new release of Chrome which OP rightly criticizes. It works very well.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by rodorgas on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:01AM (#18055144)
I have perfomance issues on heavy JS websites. Facebook is almost unusable. But I have a bunch of extensions. If I try using a new profile (no extensions, default preferences, etc) it's nice and smooth.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by Zarath on Sunday September 23, 2018 @11:17PM (#18054785)
Yes I have the same issue. Completely absurd resource usage on some pages, causes my fans to spin constantly.