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Re:I discovered a browser bug by MatthewPhillips on Thursday June 21, 2018 @10:13AM (#17365284)
I can echo his experience reporting browser bugs and provide my own reviews:

Firefox - By far the best. Quick response, usually from engineers. If it's important the fix will be quick.

Edge - No reply for months / years. When I've gotten replies back it's been to ask me to try with the current version. When I do and the bug still exists it goes back at the bottom of the queue it seems.

Chrome - Somewhat of a mixed bag. Some times responses are quick, some times they are from engineers. But most often I get replies that convey the person I'm speaking too is a very green QA type. I've gotten replies that the test case I provided them doesn't reproduce the bug, because they had attempted loading it with the file:// protocol (of course hardly anything works with the file protocol). I'm not sure, do they expect me to include a web server for them?

Safari - Only tried a couple of times, never gotten a whisper back.

I would rate my experiences as:

Firefox - A+

Chrome - C

Edge - D

Safari - F

Re:I discovered a browser bug by CryoLogic on Thursday June 21, 2018 @12:39PM (#17366719)
I reported a very serious one to Edge recently and the team told me they would "backlog it and might be on a future release".

Chrome had already patched it and Firefox never had it. (It was related to incorrect DOM spec implementation of document inheritance allowing cookie access from anywhere).

I'll do a full write up and blog it when I'm back from vacation but to summarize I was really unimpressed by the team at Edge and Microsoft Security.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by jaffathecake on Thursday June 21, 2018 @10:17AM (#17365315)
Yeah that Chrome experience doesn't sound great. Fwiw I tend to put my test cases on jsbin or Glitch, but yeah, a Chrome engineer should know to put the page on a basic web server.

If anyone runs into problems like this, feel free to bug one of the Chrome dev rel folks, such as me.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by MatthewPhillips on Thursday June 21, 2018 @10:27AM (#17365424)
Like I said, my impression is that often the people replying are not engineers. Here's one with that problem: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=674096...
Re:I discovered a browser bug by jaffathecake on Thursday June 21, 2018 @10:34AM (#17365505)
Yeah, that's not great, but the commenter in #12 is a senior engineer on devtools, so at least the right person saw it in the end.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by contras1970 on Thursday June 21, 2018 @03:26PM (#17368482)
<soapbox> looking at that ticket, the response from google is catastrophic. the guy or gal handling the ticket has no idea about web browsers. the reporter shows up with a complete reproducer and the best google manages is throw clueless screenshots (for a brief fully textual error message no less!) at them? they've already done a bunch of your work for free. get your ass off the heap of money, ffs! </soapbox>

edit: oh, and i lower my hat to you for coming here and taking the heat. appreciated, having a real person to vent at is so special in the case of google...

Re:I discovered a browser bug by mrunkel on Saturday June 23, 2018 @09:27AM (#17381164)
To be fair, the screenshot does provide additional info, like the fact that they are using file://.. It's often better to include more in a screenshot than less.

I would imagine that the chromium teams probably gets a lot of tickets. That means they need a lot of bodies to triage them. It's not like any Sr. Dev ist going to be jumping at that job.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by Rodd45 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:14AM (#17398010)
Yeah, it seems they need to take this issue seriously. Could be a way for hackers as well.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by bjornstar on Thursday June 21, 2018 @11:46AM (#17366188)
https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=674096... was an assignment 6 months ago. It's still open after 2.5 years. I would not call this a good outcome.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by jaffathecake on Thursday June 21, 2018 @11:51AM (#17366230)
Sure, but priorities are a thing. I don't think it's fair to compare this to an origin model exploit.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by MatthewPhillips on Thursday June 21, 2018 @12:09PM (#17366407)
Yeah, this is a UI bug in devtools for a feature not a lot of people use. Plus web worker bugs always get pushed to the bottom of the queue for every browser. So I don't have any problem with how long my weird issues take to get fixed.

It's more about comparing to Firefox where you usually get a quick response which at least conveys that the person on the other end understands what is being reported. I'm fine with the eventual outcome here. A comment acknowledging that it's a real bug (or not) would have been better, but being assigned to someone sort of acknowledges that, I guess.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by oblio on Thursday June 21, 2018 @12:14PM (#17366448)
> Plus web worker bugs always get pushed to the bottom of the queue for every browser.

Why is that?

Re:I discovered a browser bug by philipwhiuk on Thursday June 21, 2018 @01:24PM (#17367234)
It's pretty rare to use in user-code. It might be well used in libraries, but I guess the standard developer experience is using libraries not writing them.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by abritinthebay on Thursday June 21, 2018 @11:26PM (#17371066)
Of course it’s rare because it’s unreliable and buggy as shit across browsers atm (tho a lot better than it was).

So... somewhat self-fulfilling

Re:I discovered a browser bug by Rodd45 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @10:24PM (#17405364)
They should take this kind of bugs seriously.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by gsnedders on Thursday June 21, 2018 @03:01PM (#17368276)
What would you rather happen? Browser vendors hire more people such that they can fix every valid bug ever filed?
Re:I discovered a browser bug by reitanqild on Thursday June 21, 2018 @05:19PM (#17369390)
Maybe.

A first good step would be if the billion dollar company would try to come up to the standard of the non profit.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by earenndil on Friday June 22, 2018 @11:38PM (#17379402)
*trillion dollar company.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by paulddraper on Thursday June 21, 2018 @10:46AM (#17365621)
Re:I discovered a browser bug by myfonj on Thursday June 21, 2018 @12:38PM (#17366705)
Whoa, that page crashed my (long running) Nightly (presumably exhausted RAM completely) and in freshly started got 4 GB for the tab process (and survived). Nice.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by reitanqild on Thursday June 21, 2018 @01:04PM (#17367015)
> If anyone runs into problems like this, feel free to bug one of the Chrome dev rel folks, such as me.

Hi, and thanks for being part of creating Chrome && reaching out here.

Now that I have a Chrome guy here maybe you can help with another annoying issues:

-QC internally at Google seems to be blissfully unaware of the fact that other browsers exists.

Examples:

- one glaring issue I'm running into in core Angular on a daily basis.

- Google Calendar performance is sometimes unreasonably slow in Firefox

- For weeks or months Google search results would drive once CPU core to 100% twice a minute.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by notatoad on Thursday June 21, 2018 @02:45PM (#17368114)
none of those are something a chrome dev rel person can help you with.

People like you are the reason we have to deal with three layers of low-level tech support before we can actually talk to somebody who knows what they're doing - please don't just spray your random complaints at anybody who happens to be related to google in any way.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by gsnedders on Thursday June 21, 2018 @02:55PM (#17368218)
And it's not like the Chrome dev rel team doesn't fight for these things, but ultimately the Chrome team doesn't have any control of prioritisation of bugs in other products (like Calendar).

The only way we're going to see a significant change is when those high up in the Google org chart start caring about products working well in other browsers; as long as it's up to each individual product we'll continue to see products prioritising time-to-market and targeting only the browser with the majority of the market.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by reitanqild on Thursday June 21, 2018 @03:21PM (#17368440)
That's the second reason to post it here: because if you see one googler there are hundreds nearby, and some of them might be at the relevant team.

(And if I point out often enough what happened last time a mega corp abused their position to market their browser then maybe some of them starts talking about it internally?)

Re:I discovered a browser bug by reitanqild on Thursday June 21, 2018 @03:11PM (#17368370)
> none of those are something a chrome dev rel person can help you with.

Chrome dev rel persons are Google employees. I've been surprised by how much can be fixed once somebody on the inside are aware of it.

Also it seems a lit of googlers hang around here so it might get picked up based on that too.

> People like you are the reason we have to deal with three layers of low-level tech support before we can actually talk to somebody who knows what they're doing -

Blame Google, not me. Where there is a bug tracker I often use it.

Unfortunately there isn't a public one for Search, Calendar etc.

When they choose to only engage on HN, and only with one guy from dev rel, that's where I'll post.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by notatoad on Thursday June 21, 2018 @03:14PM (#17368391)
well thanks for doing your best to ensure they stop engaging on HN, i guess...
Re:I discovered a browser bug by reitanqild on Thursday June 21, 2018 @04:53PM (#17369193)
Tell me a better way to get Google to fix things, I'm all ears.

Complaining in social media, bugging people you know inside the walls and calling them out here works

Re:I discovered a browser bug by thefifthsetpin on Thursday June 21, 2018 @06:09PM (#17369679)
You have the wrong attitude here. Twice, actually.

The fact that you haven't found a good way to get Google to fix things for you isn't an excuse to just charge forward with the best way that you have found.

Suppose you're stuck in traffic. The most effective way to move forward might really be to just lay on your horn. The people in front of you will probably eventually yield (most just eager to put distance between themselves & you, others generously assuming that you have some kind of emergency). That doesn't make it okay for you to do that.

The second time you had the wrong attitude is when you demanded that people teach you a better way. Maybe somebody on HN will generously extend that favor to you, but if they do then realize that they've done you a favor -- they didn't owe it to you.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by ohhellno on Saturday June 23, 2018 @07:24PM (#17384016)
Stop using Google products then. Get a new career.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by EpicEng on Thursday June 21, 2018 @09:50PM (#17370670)
And this is why you don't get immediate access to a dev folks!
Re:I discovered a browser bug by reitanqild on Friday June 22, 2018 @02:41PM (#17376287)
I have direct access to Mozilla devs. Look how much I bother them.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by robotmlg on Thursday June 21, 2018 @10:53AM (#17365684)
Did you report the Safari bug to Apple or to WebKit.org? I've had good luck getting responses and fixes from the webkit guys
Re:I discovered a browser bug by Rodd45 on Thursday June 28, 2018 @02:11AM (#17414479)
They seem to get the things done professionally and effectively.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by robocat on Thursday June 21, 2018 @03:03PM (#17368293)
Personally over many bug reports and many years:

A+ experience with the Chrome team

E with Edge

F with Safari

The Chrome devs have been astonishingly good. My experience has repeatably been that if they are given a good bug report, they get it fixed and often fix it really fast. Or they reply with excellent technical reasons why not. Also multiple times I have seen extreme corner-case regressions get magically fixed without me reporting anything!

Edge - always waffle and misdirection in reply to bug reports. I only bother to give them very well documented, repeatable bugs, plus attached repro file, for things I really need fixed. However: I did have one good experience recently because I reported the bug for the Edge beta, on a feature they were actively working on catching up to the other browsers (however they still had poor interaction).

Safari: hopeless. Report a critical bug with excellent repro file, and get no response, and no fix.

No rating for Firefox because I haven't bothered reported any bugs to them in the last few years.

Edit: this is for non-security related bugs.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by odbol on Friday June 22, 2018 @12:21AM (#17371276)
Apple hears ya, Apple don't care.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by masklinn on Friday June 22, 2018 @03:18AM (#17372065)
Yeah apparently from people familiar with the deep black hole that is Radar you're supposed to keep submitting bugs, dupes count as a vote or something.

It sounds absolutely horrendous.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by ikeboy on Friday June 22, 2018 @05:45PM (#17377673)
I once reported a chrome issue. Got no attention until I found a different issue I thought was related and commented there, which got the attention of someone competent who realized it was a hardware bug they'd fixed before but had a regression.

Not a security bug, just that a very large number of websites didn't load.

Re:I discovered a browser bug by userbinator on Thursday June 21, 2018 @08:19PM (#17370266)
In other words, the experience gets progressively worse the bigger the company. I'm not surprised, having worked in companies of that scale the amount of bureaucracy and general red-tape to do the smallest of things is absolutely irritating.
Re:I discovered a browser bug by driverdan on Thursday June 21, 2018 @12:52PM (#17366870)
Did you include a 90 day public disclosure window?
Re:I discovered a browser bug by mito88 on Friday June 22, 2018 @12:23AM (#17371287)
and Samsung's browser?