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Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by Johnie on Friday May 04, 2018 @02:43PM (#16997142)
See:

* Bass Diffusion Model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_diffusion_model

* Diffusion of Innovation Model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations

These models have been fairly accurate in forecasting diffusion of innovation. While many of the innovators have started to exit and move on, this leaves the imitators around in a slowing market.

Apple has been surprisingly good at being the forefront of innovation entering a market. While people play catch up in smartphones, Apple has already moved onto the next technological innovation: Apple Watch and wearables.

While one may argue that Apple is more of an imitator than innovator, they have a really unique strategy. They enter a market after the initial innovators have entered with a product that becomes the Dominant Design [1]. They don't focus on the Innovator or Early Adopter market, but more on the Early Majority and Late Majority and exit before the laggards arrive. The Innovator and Early Adopter market require the most capital in R&D and Marketing with lowest return on investment.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_design

Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by ajross on Friday May 04, 2018 @03:28PM (#16997494)
> Apple has already moved onto the next technological innovation: Apple Watch and wearables.

Seriously? Are there any number at all to show that wearables are a growth bet at this point? The Apple Watch (which entered the market three years ago!) has had an uptake at least an order of magnitude lower than the iPad, the last "next technological innovation" that turned out not to be. Tablets were hot for a while, but at the end of the day the smartphone market remains an order of magnitude bigger. The watch has never remotely been that hot.

Basically: innovation is hard. Wearables are not looking like the next big thing at this stage, and they are surely not going to save Apple from the expected downturn in smartphone sales.

Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by simonh on Saturday May 05, 2018 @06:22AM (#17001187)
Really? People are still saying Apple is in need of being 'saved'? Wow. I wish I was in as much trouble as them.

If it's not better than the most successful consumer product in human history, it's not worth bothering with? Apple is now the most profitable watch company in the world, they sell twice as many iPads as laptops, and sell more of them than even the biggest selling laptop company sells laptops, and their ASP is still going up.

Sure. Failed products. What's the point of even trying.

> expected downturn in smartphone sales.

Which may be a problem some day, but while sals are flat-ish, even their Phone ASPs are still going up. So while growth may not be as rapid as in the past, they'll just have to console themselves by showering in firehoses of cash flow instead.

Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by influx on Friday May 04, 2018 @05:09PM (#16998369)
The Apple Watch is probably a rounding error when compared to the iPhone, however:

"But the most interesting stuff came when Cook referred to the success of Apple Watch. The Watch sales are part of the wearables business which also includes headphones such as Beats and AirPods.

Last May, he said that business is approaching the size of a Fortune 500 company. More recently, last month, the size had crept up so it would fall in the top 400"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2018/02/15/apple-ce...

Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by StudentStuff on Friday May 04, 2018 @05:56PM (#16998718)
Thing is the Apple Watch is viewed as a status symbol primarily, despite Apple's marketing and messaging stating its a health monitoring/heads up display type device. Many of the people who buy it have no idea that it'll catch some potentially imminently fatal health conditions: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5683089/Apple-Watc...

Its impressive how many people buy the Apple Watch without understanding what it offers.

Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by tsunamifury on Friday May 04, 2018 @09:33PM (#16999782)
I'd hardly call a 200 dollar watch a status symbol by any stretch of the imagination
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by qz3 on Saturday May 05, 2018 @01:39AM (#17000510)
I think it depends on the income. But, considering many people buy regular watches costing 20 times more, I wouldn't see an Apple watch as a status symbol either.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by ajkjk on Saturday May 05, 2018 @02:56AM (#17000712)
It sends a message, which my brain's social apparatus parses as a status-symbol brag (and finds very distasteful).
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by King-Aaron on Monday May 07, 2018 @02:51AM (#17010808)
For a great many people, a $200 watch is a luxury.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by jnaina on Saturday May 05, 2018 @01:45AM (#17000528)
Apple Watch Alerts New York Man of Health Crisis, Ends Up Saving His Life

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Smart-Watch-Saves-New-...

Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by perl4ever on Saturday May 05, 2018 @09:49PM (#17004895)
It's possible that the watch gave him "permission" to go to the hospital, but it would seem as if gushing blood ought to suffice. I don't know what it means if it doesn't.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by distances on Saturday May 05, 2018 @04:55AM (#17000977)
Sounds like he would've gone to the hospital anyway with those symptoms.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by dep_b on Friday May 04, 2018 @03:46PM (#16997619)
If iPhone sales growth would level to what the Mac is doing then there's not a real problem. Apple is pushing in Enterprise where it wasn't before, services and indeed wearables (I see AirPods everywhere). I think people will buy devices less often, like you saw with iPads. But keep buying Apple.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by ryanmarsh on Friday May 04, 2018 @03:56PM (#16997723)
Remember, Apple seems to enter frustratingly late and frustratingly slow (unless it's to change a port, LOL)

IF wearables is going to be much of a thing I wouldn't expect to see their flagship products come out until everyone else has had some time to work out the kinks with early adopters. Then watch Apple come in with some of the sticky problems solved (like touch on the smartphone, fit/finish with laptops, simpler OS, etc...).

Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by dirtyaura on Saturday May 05, 2018 @12:38AM (#17000354)
Healthcare digitalization and consumer devices as medical devices is the next huge market that Apple is going to with Wearables. You can clearly see it from their actions that it is a part of their future strategy.

Apple is so big that it needs a huge new market to enter to make a difference in its revenue. Healthcare and transportation are huge markets. Apple is working on both.

Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by supertrope on Friday May 04, 2018 @04:30PM (#16998023)
I wonder how much of AAPL growth is iPhone sales volume and how much is investors anticipating the next big product category. A cable TV disrupting service hasn't materialized thanks to content owners fear of repeating iTunes's dominance and effective resistance. Cars are hard to build. Medical devices are highly regulated.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by Retric on Friday May 04, 2018 @05:23PM (#16998476)
Not much, Apples p/e is 17.99 that's not expecting much growth. They simply make insane and slightly growing profit year after year. Honestly they may be undervalued relative to tech stocks as even Microsoft has a p/e of 25.07.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by atomical on Friday May 04, 2018 @08:55PM (#16999637)
Maybe that's why Buffett is buying more shares.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by kerng on Friday May 04, 2018 @03:39PM (#16997559)
I think Apple is struggling on trying to figure out what the next big thing could be - its definitely not yet watch and wearables.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by godzillabrennus on Friday May 04, 2018 @03:41PM (#16997585)
Cars. Absolutely no doubt they need to be in that industry.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by stefan_ on Friday May 04, 2018 @04:46PM (#16998167)
Cars are pretty firmly in iPhone slow growth territory. If anything we expect to have less of them in the future.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by IkmoIkmo on Saturday May 05, 2018 @06:13AM (#17001160)
That, plus car manufacturing is a 10% margin business, Apple is closer to 30%. There's not a ton of money to be made, particularly because the growth in the car industry that will exist will mostly be in getting e.g. Indians to drive, that'll have even lower margins and isn't Apple's target group.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by godzillabrennus on Friday May 04, 2018 @06:33PM (#16998962)
Self driving cars will be high growth.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by supertrope on Friday May 04, 2018 @04:33PM (#16998055)
How would Apple improve ease of use or add high tech functionality?
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by godzillabrennus on Friday May 04, 2018 @06:34PM (#16998966)
Self driving luxury cars. Apple is second to none in focusing on design.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by wilsonnb on Saturday May 05, 2018 @10:07AM (#17001848)
Second to no tech companies, sure, but Apple would presumably be competing with companies like Volkswagen, BMW, and Mercedes which are almost definitely better at designing luxury cars than Apple.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by larkeith on Saturday May 05, 2018 @04:48AM (#17000957)
My wager would be AR. We have a few years yet before we see useful, comfortable, well-designed AR environments, but once they cross a certain threshold they'll immediately obsolete a massive section of the computer dislay market, as well as provide numerous opportunities for further innovation. Given that it's a market in which products will succeed or fail based primarily on UX, ease of use, and quality of design, each a strong point of Apple, they have the potential to take the sector by storm.
Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by NicoJuicy on Saturday May 05, 2018 @04:44AM (#17000952)
I use my smartphone, except for the obvious functionality, mainly for:

- reading

- responding emails

- GPS

I don't think I'm market fit for smartwatch and wearables.

I also don't see any success in AI self-driving, where alphabet is King.

Re:China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments d... by kerng on Friday May 04, 2018 @03:43PM (#16997594)
Ad Apple) I think Apple is struggling on trying to figure out what the next big thing could be - its definitely not yet watches and wearables.