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Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by mikevm on Saturday April 21, 2018 @05:39PM (#16893586)
Quoting from the article:

  Btw, here are a few productivity recommendations:

  – Excessive meetings are the blight of big companies and almost always get worse over
  time. Please get of all large meetings, unless you’re certain they are providing value to
  the whole audience, in which case keep them very short.

  – Also get rid of frequent meetings, unless you are dealing with an extremely urgent
  matter. Meeting frequency should drop rapidly once the urgent matter is resolved.

  – Walk out of a meeting or drop off a call as soon as it is obvious you aren’t adding
  value. It is not rude to leave, it is rude to make someone stay and waste their time.

  – Don’t use acronyms or nonsense words for objects, software or processes at Tesla.
  In general, anything that requires an explanation inhibits communication. We don’t want
  people to have to memorize a glossary just to function at Tesla.

  – Communication should travel via the shortest path necessary to get the job done,
  not through the “chain of command”. Any manager who attempts to enforce chain of command
  communication will soon find themselves working elsewhere.

  – A major source of issues is poor communication between depts. The way to solve this
  is allow free flow of information between all levels. If, in order to get something done
  between depts, an individual contributor has to talk to their manager, who talks to a
  director, who talks to a VP, who talks to another VP, who talks to a director, who talks
  to a manager, who talks to someone doing the actual work, then super dumb things will
  happen. It must be ok for people to talk directly and just make the right thing happen.

  – In general, always pick common sense as your guide. If following a “company rule”
  is obviously ridiculous in a particular situation, such that it would make for a great
  Dilbert cartoon, then the rule should change.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by tyingq on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:21PM (#16893904)
Great excerpts. Reposting them as more hn-mobile friendly.

"Btw, here are a few productivity recommendations:"

– Excessive meetings are the blight of big companies and almost always get worse over time. Please get of all large meetings, unless you’re certain they are providing value to the whole audience, in which case keep them very short.

– Also get rid of frequent meetings, unless you are dealing with an extremely urgent matter. Meeting frequency should drop rapidly once the urgent matter is resolved.

– Walk out of a meeting or drop off a call as soon as it is obvious you aren’t adding value. It is not rude to leave, it is rude to make someone stay and waste their time.

– Don’t use acronyms or nonsense words for objects, software or processes at Tesla. In general, anything that requires an explanation inhibits communication. We don’t want people to have to memorize a glossary just to function at Tesla.

– Communication should travel via the shortest path necessary to get the job done, not through the “chain of command”. Any manager who attempts to enforce chain of command communication will soon find themselves working elsewhere.

– A major source of issues is poor communication between depts. The way to solve this is allow free flow of information between all levels. If, in order to get something done between depts, an individual contributor has to talk to their manager, who talks to a director, who talks to a VP, who talks to another VP, who talks to a director, who talks to a manager, who talks to someone doing the actual work, then super dumb things will happen. It must be ok for people to talk directly and just make the right thing happen.

– In general, always pick common sense as your guide. If following a “company rule” is obviously ridiculous in a particular situation, such that it would make for a great Dilbert cartoon, then the rule should change. reply

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by allthenews on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:51PM (#16894019)
I worry that many of these well meaning deregulations may not scale indefinitely, both as the company grows and the working population evolves. I understand the premise, but many of the processes and red tape, while admittedly frustrating, probably did not arise out of desire for limitation.

You have to put a lot of faith into your workforce to allow so much freedom in their operation.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by nurettin on Sunday April 22, 2018 @01:32AM (#16894849)
I am familiar with these deregulations. They are designed to create a blame culture where managers are able to make anyone do anything lest the workers lose their credibility.

Rules of the game change very often, sometimes super liberal like "ya ran out of disk space? Just rip it off someone who doesn't need it" then blaming you for the chaos and rushed decisions because a developer made the error of exiting a meeting before listening to an important point by field ops which they could not have foreseen.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by matte_black on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:26PM (#16894105)
Agreed, the benefit of having some bureaucratic processes is that it makes them way more tolerant of low competency individuals within the system. There’s filters at many levels that prevent someone from fucking things up too badly.

If your company is running with scissors you need every individual to be a top performer who knows exactly what they are doing at all times. That is hard to guarantee when you start scaling up your headcount.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by colordrops on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:21PM (#16894257)
Heavy bureaucracy also drives away creative highly talented individuals and also creates pockets for non-productive employees to thrive, so it's questionable whether the positives outweighs the negatives. Depends on the level of fault tolerance that a corporation must achieve for their goals.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by keenerd on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:02PM (#16894349)
On the other hand... if you wanted to quickly identify incompetent individuals, give them rope and let them cause damage.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by stevefan1999 on Monday April 23, 2018 @09:33PM (#16909136)
Many would disagree, but having bureaucratic makes it easier to blame someone when things have gone wild.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by themodelplumber on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:35PM (#16894295)
Exactly. Just in order to maintain order at scale, the organization will need to stabilize. Stabilization necessarily involves many if not most of the things he warns against, because the mindset has to shift to cover many more details and potential friction points. Otherwise you get an organization that will never stabilize, and the little details that pile up will kill it. Hopefully Musk's own non-stabilizer blind spots don't become his company's.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by harrisi on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:17PM (#16894250)
This is a genuine question: is Tesla not a company that has already "scaled"? I don't know their employment numbers but in terms of product that is both used and known by the general population, they seem big enough to have already have these points tested in a scaled environment.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by dingaling on Sunday April 22, 2018 @12:53AM (#16894766)
" Don’t use acronyms or nonsense words for objects, software or processes at Tesla. ”

Autopilot, Supercharger, or even name of Tesla Inc. itself. Your number-one choice for AC electrical coils?

And what do they say when discussing LIDAR sensors, for example? "We need to select a vendor for the laser-imaging-detection-and-ranging sensor". "Well Bob I propose the Bosch laser-imaging-detection-and-ranging sensor which runs on 28 volt direct-current". Not conducive to more efficient meetings.

Acronyms and codewords serve a purpose in any context that involves repetition.

If I were Mr Musk I'd be less concerned about the mental burden of acronyms and more worried about the physical strain and injury on the shop floor. But the latter can't be 'fixed' with an e-mail missive.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by falcolas on Sunday April 22, 2018 @09:36AM (#16896101)
Laser is an acronym as well...

> "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation"

Acronyms have their place, and can be more descriptive than, say, project Glorfindel.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by cdancette on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:23AM (#16895254)
- Autopilot and supercharger are pretty easy to me (they do pretty much what they say)

- they didn't invent the LIDAR, and it is the widely used name for this device so if course they must use it. This recomandation just advise not creating new acronyms inside the company. (A better example would be the BFR but that's kind of a joke) Better to choose a small name than an acronym

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by tyingq on Sunday April 22, 2018 @10:10AM (#16896225)
A bit pedantic, but Telsa isn't using Lidar.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by rinze on Sunday April 22, 2018 @10:20AM (#16896267)
They won't use any tech that has acronyms.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by tyingq on Sunday April 22, 2018 @12:47PM (#16896995)
But they use radar.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by eric24234 on Sunday April 22, 2018 @02:32AM (#16894987)
Thanks. The entire text is also not completely visible in a resized browser, you have to horizontally scroll to read the entire text.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Judgmentality on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:13PM (#16893684)
Some of these I really like, and some of them are well-intentioned but seem disconnected from reality.

- Communication should travel via the shortest path necessary to get the job done

This sounds like a great idea, however it can lead to things like the CEO pinging engineers to fix problems he doesn't fully understand. I've seen this happen often, and it's really annoying how often we have to tell the CEO he can't do this (extremely important people have already quit because of it).

I love the idea about walking out of meetings though, and just minimizing them as much as possible.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by antris on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:47PM (#16893783)
> it's really annoying how often we have to tell the CEO he can't do this

Isn't it just another part of the job? Obviously a person doing the actual work is supposed to explain what is and isn't possible, no?

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Merad on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:29PM (#16894281)
How many average workers are willing to push back when the CEO tells them to do something?

How many CEOs will respond well when an employee does push back against their directions?

There are good reasons that most companies don’t operate this way.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by garmaine on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:02PM (#16894350)
Elon doesn’t employ average workers. If you can’t work this way, your tenure will be short.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by krick on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:31PM (#16894418)
Exactly. I hate bureaucracy as much as anyone, but it exists for a good reason. An enterprise just isn't a bee-hive, where everyone does a reasonably good job to keep the whole thing alive because they are just born that way. And there cannot be any rapid innovation in a bee-hive anyway. It's silly to dismiss communications and the chain of command within a company as some bothersome thing that "just hurts the actual work". Well, yeah, it is bothersome, but, no — it is actual work.

Even if every employee would be good at everything that anyone in the company does — which obviously isn't and cannot be the case — communications aren't this wholly rational process that benefits the company proportionally to how it benefits the agents, and it's unlikely that "factor of ten better precision" could be born as a result of important design decisions taken by some random pairs of lowest-level workers in private discussions, without informing anyone else involved (simply because they don't really understand how anyone is involved/affected by their clever decision).

Long story short, even given all this not-entirely-serious image of Musk, I'm kinda surprised to hear so naïve statements from him. He's in business long enough to know already that some idealistic visions just don't work in the real wordld, and it's one thing to tell them to your buyers and inverstors, and another — to your actual employees.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by shanghaiaway on Sunday April 22, 2018 @12:18AM (#16894688)
He's never had a normal job. That's why he doesn't understand these things.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by slededit on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:37PM (#16893756)
I think he was speaking more from the Individual Contributor level here.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by mieseratte on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:33PM (#16893947)
That was my impression as well. No better way to GSD than talk to your counterpart on the other side of the aisle and figure out a solution.

For a CEO, VP, or other "executive" type, practicing seagull management is time inefficient for them in any regards. They should be delegating tasks, and trusting their reports to handle the issue.

Of course, sometimes one must become the executive who gets in the weeds as Musk is doing, but that is because the reports have failed in some crucial aspects and one must unfuck the situation.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by gizmo686 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:45PM (#16893996)
Its more than just the CEO (or other high ups), even lateral communication is not without cost.

As an engineer, my time is limited. I simply do not have time to immidietly deal with every problem that anyone wants dealt with.

The general rule we settled on where I work is to ask the relevant project manager first. If the project manager gives the okay, you can talk directly to the relevant engineer. Otherwise, your request will go on a list and be dealt with "at some point".

Of course, in an emergency, you can still go straight to the relevant person. And everything is always an emergency...

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Mononokay on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:19PM (#16893898)
To be entirely fair, Musk is an engineer, so that in general wouldn't happen, I'd imagine.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by matte_black on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:57PM (#16894194)
He’s an engineer on paper, probably not in practice.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Mononokay on Sunday April 22, 2018 @12:42AM (#16894745)
He earned a degree in it, and seems to know what he's talking about.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by colordrops on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:29PM (#16894280)
What evidence do you have of that?
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by matte_black on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:06PM (#16894358)
The word “probably” indicates uncertainty.

Therefore, there is no evidence, just suspicion he is not doing the actual engineering work himself.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by colordrops on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:33PM (#16894428)
OK, what reason do you have to suspect he is not doing the actual engineering work?
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by bkdonline on Sunday April 22, 2018 @01:40AM (#16894866)
He has a BS in physics.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by colordrops on Sunday April 22, 2018 @03:35AM (#16895142)
And decades of experience building up engineering firms from almost nothing. Perhaps I'm in a different environment than you, but I know more than one top-tier engineer that didn't even graduate high school let alone get a 4 year degree in physics.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by matte_black on Sunday April 22, 2018 @07:39AM (#16895738)
If someone has a computer science degree but never writes code are they a software engineer?
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by colordrops on Sunday April 22, 2018 @03:18PM (#16897970)
Why are you under the presumption that he did no domain specific engineering at Tesla and SpaceX? And let's not go in circles and repeat your previous arguments please.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by matte_black on Sunday April 22, 2018 @08:15PM (#16899510)
lack of any specific examples?
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by mieseratte on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:26PM (#16893724)
Having worked at companies with a 6+ hour long retrospective, planning meeting that was almost entirely useless - I would love the idea.

However, at my current job we frequently have little meetings here and there post-standup for clarification, discussions, analysis, of issues, etc. Frequently they do not apply, but I do not find myself willing to leave despite explicitly being told I do not have to be there.

It's hard to walk out of a meeting, when you know how it looks, because your manager is the one to handle everything from vacation requests to promotions. Building up "social credit" greases the wheels later on when you are the one who needs something. Unless your manager is a proponent of the policy, you're fighting the tide.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Consultant32452 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:37PM (#16893753)
I feel like you have cause and effect backwards. Being in the meeting is not what gives you social credit, having social credit is what causes people to want to keep you in the meetings. There are generally three main types of problems: social, political, and technical. Once you're known as a person who solves those three, you won't be able to escape the meetings.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by mieseratte on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:28PM (#16893932)
You're not wrong, I end up becoming "the guy" at most places I've worked because I not only have the technical wherewithal, but can put blend in and socialize, and have no qualms about engaging in a political dog-fight when there is a need for it. Thusly, I end up being volunteered or asked to be in most meetings, social committees, etc. because my team trusts me to handle whatever happens and my manager knows I will handle it competently.

Maybe I'm not picking a good term / elucidating properly, but the second type of "social credit" is the fostering of a favorable view, building good rapport with your manager. Your manager does not put you in a meeting for shits-and-giggles, either because there is a real need or as some impotent display of power. For the latter, when you walk out you're making some strife and come salary review time, vacation request time, etc. it can bite you in the ass.

This can and will have a chilling effect on the efficacy of the "Fuck Meetings" rule. However, it does make clear the culture and expectations of the organization, so hopefully those managers would eventually shape up or ship out.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by JBlue42 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:43PM (#16894321)
>Maybe I'm not picking a good term / elucidating properly, but the second type of "social credit" is the fostering of a favorable view, building good rapport with your manager. Your manager does not put you in a meeting for shits-and-giggles, either because there is a real need or as some impotent display of power. For the latter, when you walk out you're making some strife and come salary review time, vacation request time, etc. it can bite you in the ass.

I get what you're saying and not sure what the right word for it is. Basically, it's showing them 'respect' or whatever for their position so that eventually when you have to have something that matters to you signed off on, you get it. I think social credit is a decent phrase though there might be a better one out there.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Bizarro on Saturday April 21, 2018 @11:36PM (#16894588)
Having worked at companies with a 6+ hour long retrospective

There is 0 chance in any scenario that a net benefit would come out of that.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by sowbug on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:12PM (#16893874)
This is what code-quoted non-code HN text looks like on a narrow screen: http://imgur.com/LYwZWbT
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by 27182818284 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:23PM (#16894101)
Yes, I've been visiting HN for ten-ish years and yeah some love to the front-end would be good. I wonder if there is a fear to make any updates because any updates are seen as not keeping with the minimalistic roots. I hope not. I don't think anyone wants an extreme change, but letting the '>' character quote things a bit better would be a good change.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by ythn on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:14PM (#16894244)
There are alternate front-ends that use HN's backend you can use. Such as:

https://vue-hn.now.sh/item/16893581

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by mikevm on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:19PM (#16893897)
Woops. Sorry about that. Don't know if there's a proper way of quoting text on HN.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by sowbug on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:24PM (#16893917)
Since we have this discussion every time a top-voted comment does this, and nobody has ever suggested a solution that I've seen, I don't think it can be done. Just throw a > or two in there and we'll figure it out.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by tyingq on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:28PM (#16893930)
"nobody has ever suggested a solution that I've seen"

Media queries seem straightforward enough.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by sowbug on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:34PM (#16893954)
I mean for content contributors. I'm sure an HN code change could make the site smarter. * Asterisks work for italics * (remove inner spaces), but they seem to crap out for a passage longer than about a line, making them tedious for block quotes.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by tyingq on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:35PM (#16893959)
Yes, makes sense. HN could use a few minor tweaks and upgrades.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by germinalphrase on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:49PM (#16894012)
Judging by the frequency with which this issue is complained about, it is -- apparently -- an impossible problem to solve.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by sjwright on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:51PM (#16894469)
It makes sense to me. A formalised quoting mechanism is a recipe for everyone quoting everyone else, resulting in 50-70% of the words on screen being redundant and pointless.

This is par for the course in most other forums.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by germinalphrase on Sunday April 22, 2018 @12:40AM (#16894738)
I'm sympathetic to what you're saying; however, quoting is still happening – just in a manner than leaves 50-70% of the text annoyingly difficult to read on mobile.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by sjwright on Sunday April 22, 2018 @11:37AM (#16896596)
Absolutely. But by providing no formal mechanism, quoting is used extremely sparingly. Which is good.

(The mobile formatting issue wouldn't happen but for a few rare crazies who attempt to hijack the wrong syntax.)

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by matte_black on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:49PM (#16894166)
Not with a little bit of JavaScript.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by PhasmaFelis on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:37PM (#16893968)
There isn't. No one knows why.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by allthenews on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:46PM (#16894002)
Every time! Even in landscape! On a tech central website! What gives? Is there some kind of weird technical limitation?
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by stan_rogers on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:19PM (#16894255)
Not as such, no, but the rendering of HTML from that markup is <code> nested in <pre>. The user agent is supposed to render it as the pre-formatted text it claims to be, complete with line breaks and returns as entered. It is meant for code, not for blockquotes.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by bagacrap on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:11PM (#16893679)
The part about nonsense words is great (one of my pet peeves) but how do you accomplish that in practice? Everything has to have a name. For example, when you're developing Windows 8 what would you call Metro Mode? "Alternate touch optimized desktop UI" is a bit of a mouthful.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by xarball on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:23PM (#16893711)
Metro's branding was a failure of imagination and a failure to properly capture and convey intent. There are many other options out there:

| "Touch UI" | "Mobile UI" | "Everywhere UI" | "Fisher-Price UI" |

... or my personal favorite...

| "Mega-Bloks" |

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by manigandham on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:51PM (#16893799)
As usual, common sense applies. The issue is regarding unnecessary names. If it's really a product name or industry wide then use it, but many companies tend to come up with acronyms that are only used internally or within a single team and this hurts communication.

For your example, just call it touchscreen mode.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by simplicio on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:28PM (#16893728)
I think pretty much every industry and field quickly develops it's own stock of acronyms, nicknames, jargon etc. This can feel alienating to "outsiders", which is why people don't like it, but I think its pretty necessary (and inevitable). If you're working with a set of concepts, processes, software everyday, developing a shorthand way of talking (and thinking) about them is a big timesaver both in terms of communication and mental effort.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by gregknicholson on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:41PM (#16893983)
> If you're working with a set of concepts, processes, software everyday, developing a shorthand way of talking (and thinking) about them is a big timesaver both in terms of communication and mental effort.

For internal processes, this is fair enough. But anything that will be exposed to an end-user should be simple without shorthand.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by notatoad on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:13PM (#16893875)
how many new UIs was the windows team developing at the time? shouldn't "the new UI" suffice?
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by maltalex on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:37PM (#16893971)
“New” is a bad way to refer to something. It loses meaning once the new thing isn’t so new or has been replaced by something newer.

Say a document talks about “the new windows UI” and there were like 5 different versions of “new ui” during the lifetime of the project. Which version is the document talking about?

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by ScottBurson on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:46PM (#16893779)
Maybe just try really hard to maintain a centralized glossary, that people actually use and keep up to date.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by whatshisface on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:22PM (#16893706)
I'd call it the Touch UI, the others could be Windowed and Mobile.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by corey_moncure on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:10PM (#16893867)
This is the exact opposite of the last corporate workplace I was in. Ceaseless meetings (programmers often spending the whole day away from their desk), pointless meetings, jargon, all decisions must be approved by the manager, all communication flows through the manager.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Aloha on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:35PM (#16894134)
I'd agree with most of this.. but..

Yes, communication should travel thru the shortest path, but it needs to go thru channels at some point, once the initial contact is made, otherwise the layers in the reporting structure are never aware of any extra hours spent reporting a problem. In this same vein, avoid manager-telephone-game when possible, but still keep everyone in the loop.

Common sense is great, provided it results in process being changed, not just ignored.

Sometimes jargon is a needed thing, if you have many many subsystems and objects in play, you may need jargon rather than a long form description of what the thing does "alternator" versus "alternating current power generation device".

Sometimes meetings are the last resort when all other communication mediums have failed, and often in that case a long meeting is the only possible solution, while regular meetings should never be considered beneficial, putting a kibosh on all meetings will do more harm than good.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by stephengillie on Sunday April 22, 2018 @10:02AM (#16896198)
> but it needs to go thru channels at some point, once the initial contact is made, otherwise the layers in the reporting structure are never aware of any extra hours spent reporting a problem.

This is where ticketing systems come in handy. They both track the work performed as well as the time spent - many (Zendesk and Service Now at least) have a timer that starts when you open the ticket in the web client, and records that time whenever you submit an update. The mantra is "if it's not in a ticket, then it didn't happen".

Between a kanban/scrum planning system and the ticket system, your people managers should be drowning in data about what you're doing and how long it's taking. Zendesk has a full section of its site to analyze metrics, and at my last job individual engineers discussed their metrics daily.

This eliminates the need to CC your manager while obviating that whole communication. The hard part is keeping everyone in the system, and constantly pulling people back from email to tickets. Having a pretty web interface helps a lot.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Shivetya on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:54PM (#16894183)
I am not sure how widespread it is, but I have encountered far too many manager/directors who put forth meetings in order to boost their presence if not stoke their own egos. executives holding a company hostage effectively for 90 minute meetings so they can tell their direction, strategy, and more, and witnessed development staffs with far more time in meetings the producing deliverables.

is this widespread or just symptoms of top heavy companies? while I nod my head at most of what Musk relayed far too much seems to be just speaking to head nodding supporters. Many of know this, the question is how to communicate it to those who need to understand they are the issue

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by gregknicholson on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:36PM (#16893963)
> In general, always pick common sense as your guide. If following a “company rule” is obviously ridiculous in a particular situation, such that it would make for a great Dilbert cartoon, then the rule should change.

I like this. Crucially, it's not “ignore the rule”; it's “fix the rule”.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by internetman55 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:33PM (#16894290)
wow, i like these!